Why do we age? ( Archived) (11)

Jan 6, 2023 5:39 PM CST Why do we age?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Thank goodness for applied science in Australia. I wish more people would apply science and get appropriate recognition, especially when working out breakthroughs of one sort or another.

Chech out Elizabeth Blackburn’s work on aging.

Pond Scum




Hey, CS, can we have a science thread catagory in the forums?
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Jan 6, 2023 8:29 PM CST Why do we age?
Orzzz
OrzzzOrzzzPortage, Wisconsin USA106 Threads 8 Polls 806 Posts
Why do mice live two years. And a tortoise 100? Parakeet 15 and a parrot 150?confused Why does nature create any organism and then let it age? Why no keep the first one going for 300 years. We spend out life gaining skills and knowledge and then die and it is wasted.frustrated
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Jan 6, 2023 8:44 PM CST Why do we age?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Orzzz: Why do mice live two years. And a tortoise 100? Parakeet 15 and a parrot 150? Why does nature create any organism and then let it age? Why no keep the first one going for 300 years. We spend out life gaining skills and knowledge and then die and it is wasted.
Very true, especially for me as I have no posterity.
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Jan 7, 2023 1:54 AM CST Why do we age?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
I can think of more reason why people grow old and pass away than I can for the animals. Animals forget don't they, each day is effectively a new day when you're a dog, a million year old dog wouldn't spend all day trying to kill itself like we would. An aging population of humanity will in weariness and disgust of life kill everyone around it and eventually itself.
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Jan 7, 2023 2:12 AM CST Why do we age?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Charlie Chaplin said that so long as men die liberty will never perish. But I'd go one further. So long as men die life and liberty will never perish.
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Jan 7, 2023 2:45 AM CST Why do we age?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
If we discover the key to eternal life then it's soul death we need to worry about. We would need to find a way to forget forever everything that happened in the past, because everything's better when you were a kid.

Consider the subjective agony that is today where we can afford to eat out twice a month when previously this was every week. What does being the second most privileged people ever to have lived mean to those who used to be the most privileged people ever to have lived? It means that the world's all wrong, a million times wrong.
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Jan 7, 2023 3:31 AM CST Why do we age?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Anyway at least we are men so that it matters less to grow old and then die. The longevity of her indoors is a dull and miserable condition, it's been proven. Imagine you begin perfect and the whole point of life was merely to stave off decay. Imagine a life of pure self-preservation where nothing can be done? It's not a life to envy at all.
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Jan 7, 2023 4:09 AM CST Why do we age?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Put eternal life down as another one of those self-terminating left-wing ideals that renders every nation in which this mentality has broken through the end of the line, the end of history. The irony of these new ways that render all things a sinister old fossil like Simon Cowell and his Scooby Doo villain plastic face.
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Jan 7, 2023 5:04 AM CST Why do we age?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
And to sustain a left-wing ideal the society would have to become like Logan's Run. You're born a young adult, get to live as one for thirty years, and then the state executes you.

But that's not what happened and it wouldn't happen without being forced into it. The society is the opposite of Logan's Run; an aging population that terminates the under 30. A ruling class that grew up in a world so completely different to today that it makes any conclusion it draws almost bound to be wrong. The internet would never have even got started if it had not been born outside of society's control. Stillborn would be my description of the 21st century, the future of youth and old age security are at complete loggerheads and I think we know who's winning.
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Jan 7, 2023 5:47 AM CST Why do we age?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
ChesneyChrist: And to sustain a left-wing ideal the society would have to become like Logan's Run. You're born a young adult, get to live as one for thirty years, and then the state executes you.

But that's not what happened and it wouldn't happen without being forced into it. The society is the opposite of Logan's Run; an aging population that terminates the under 30. A ruling class that grew up in a world so completely different to today that it makes any conclusion it draws almost bound to be wrong. The internet would never have even got started if it had not been born outside of society's control. Stillborn would be my description of the 21st century, the future of youth and old age security are at complete loggerheads and I think we know who's winning.
But I'm not suggesting that what remains of our dwindling posterity should rise up and seize the state in a coup. Largely because they won't. A young person in an aging society isn't a free spirit. Things that would be common knowledge to a younger population are not common knowledge to young people in an aging society. Even the young men think and behave like old women because you cannot divorce the individual from the society in which he lives. Being young doesn't make an individual right, what I'm saying is that a young society would be less wrong. Common knowledge itself would be relevant to this day and age rather than the past. These 21 year olds sleeping upside down from a meat hook do that because of the way society is in general. They fear growing old and they fear covid not because this is reasonable for them to fear these things, but because they are influenced. They inherit the fears of society in general and in this way each and every young man is an old woman.
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Jan 13, 2023 9:59 AM CST Why do we age?
GullyFoyle
GullyFoyleGullyFoyleSuperposition, New York USA23 Threads 5 Polls 293 Posts
"is that a young society would be less wrong."

And just where in the historical records is that proven?
Two lines.
This is from the theme to a canuck tv show Corner gas, " I don't know the same things you don't know".
Blaze Foley sang in Clay Pigeons " I'm tired of looking for answers to questions I already know".
In all honesty we know absolutely nothing and everything we know will be updated to a better model.
I prefer Schrodinger cat with retrocausality added to the mix.
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