A Jewish man speaks out. (97)

Oct 25, 2023 4:18 PM CST A Jewish man speaks out.
salamuna
salamunasalamunaDeventer, Overijssel Netherlands5 Threads 225 Posts
So 130 billion each year? On tv news? Russian TV? Or al jazeera? Because in real US aid to Israel is 3.8 bn dollar a year

About donations to Gaza every year you can find all the information in Wikipedia.
I usually ignore trolling, especially Putin +Hamas, or trolling from banal anti semites. I answered you only because Israel is losing in the informational war to its enemies, who are very good in creating false statementsfrustrated
Oct 25, 2023 6:19 PM CST A Jewish man speaks out.
Believe me the situation in Gaza & particularly Syria can have very serous consequences:
24 Oct, 2023
Russia intercepts US bombers
A pair of nuclear-capable B-1Bs were detected on approach over the Baltic Sea
Two US Air Force B-1B Lancer strategic bombers were intercepted on approach to Russian airspace over the Baltic Sea by a Sukhoi Su-27 fighter, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Tuesday.

According to the ministry, Russian air defenses detected two aerial targets over the waters of the Baltic, and a fighter was dispatched to identify them and prevent any violations of the national airspace.

The crew of the Su-27 identified the intruders as Lancers, which are long-range strategic bombers designed to carry nuclear-armed missiles and bombs. As the Russian fighter approached, the two American bombers changed course and headed away from the border.

The Russian Defense Ministry noted that no airspace violation occurred, and the interception was entirely in line with safe conduct norms and international law pertaining to neutral waters.

Earlier this month, the US sent several B-1 bombers and about 100 air service members from the 9th Expeditionary Bomb Squadron in Dyess, Texas to the Royal Air Force (RAF) Fairford base in the UK. The deployment is part of the “Bomber Task Force-Europe 24-1” mission, described as providing the US and NATO with “strategic options to assure Allies and partners, while also deterring potential adversary aggression throughout Europe and across the globe.”
Oct 26, 2023 1:34 PM CST A Jewish man speaks out.
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
The son of Israeli General Mitityahu Peled, Miko Peled speaks about the conflict. Miko Peled's.In 1997, Peled’s 13-year-old niece Smadar, daughter of his sister Nurit Peled-Elhanan, was murdered in a Palestinian suicide terror attack in Jerusalem. At her funeral, according to an article summarizing Peled's book, Ehud Barak, who had just been elected to lead the opposition, explained that in order to gain appeal he must disguise his real intentions of becoming a "peacemaker." In reply, Peled said, "Why not tell the truth... That this and similar tragedies are taking place because we are occupying another nation and that in order to save lives the right thing to do is to end the occupation and negotiate a just peace with our Palestinian partners?"

Oct 26, 2023 1:39 PM CST A Jewish man speaks out.
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
Oct 26, 2023 2:02 PM CST A Jewish man speaks out.
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
Oct 26, 2023 3:34 PM CST A Jewish man speaks out.
salamuna
salamunasalamunaDeventer, Overijssel Netherlands5 Threads 225 Posts
his utopian ideas are good, but they float in the air. this is just demagoguery. There is not a single constructive suggestion in what he says. and most important, this is a demagogic rhetoric that came at the wrong time.

I’m curious what he would say if he would found himself in Kibbutz Beeri on October 7, 2023. there lived several American families with similar views... and where are they now?
It’s a pity that Israel does not release the video of the massacre of civilians of the kibbutz on October 7, which was filmed by Hamas. I would like all the empty talkers to see this... I saw it myself... and with all my left--center position, I simply cannot sleep, eat, drink, smile anymore. . the Israeli army showed this video to all Western correspondents 3 days ago.. some of them fainted, some vomited, some just cried.. it was decided not to publish this video. But I wish personally you mister bodleing could see it..I am curious which songs will you sing after it
Oct 26, 2023 3:36 PM CST A Jewish man speaks out.
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
Oct 26, 2023 3:43 PM CST A Jewish man speaks out.
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
Oct 26, 2023 4:05 PM CST A Jewish man speaks out.
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
salamuna: his utopian ideas are good, but they float in the air. this is just demagoguery. There is not a single constructive suggestion in what he says. and most important, this is a demagogic rhetoric that came at the wrong time.

I’m curious what he would say if he would found himself in Kibbutz Beeri on October 7, 2023. there lived several American families with similar views... and where are they now?
It’s a pity that Israel does not release the video of the massacre of civilians of the kibbutz on October 7, which was filmed by Hamas. I would like all the empty talkers to see this... I saw it myself... and with all my left--center position, I simply cannot sleep, eat, drink, smile anymore. . the Israeli army showed this video to all Western correspondents 3 days ago.. some of them fainted, some vomited, some just cried.. it was decided not to publish this video. But I wish personally you mister bodleing could see it..I am curious which songs will you sing after it
Oct 26, 2023 4:48 PM CST A Jewish man speaks out.
gonelikethewimd
gonelikethewimdgonelikethewimdOsprey, Florida USA3,329 Posts
Oct 26, 2023 4:51 PM CST A Jewish man speaks out.
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
salamuna: his utopian ideas are good, but they float in the air. this is just demagoguery. There is not a single constructive suggestion in what he says. and most important, this is a demagogic rhetoric that came at the wrong time.

I’m curious what he would say if he would found himself in Kibbutz Beeri on October 7, 2023. there lived several American families with similar views... and where are they now?
It’s a pity that Israel does not release the video of the massacre of civilians of the kibbutz on October 7, which was filmed by Hamas. I would like all the empty talkers to see this... I saw it myself... and with all my left--center position, I simply cannot sleep, eat, drink, smile anymore. . the Israeli army showed this video to all Western correspondents 3 days ago.. some of them fainted, some vomited, some just cried.. it was decided not to publish this video. But I wish personally you mister bodleing could see it..I am curious which songs will you sing after it
Do you think a video of men, women and children being vapourised by Israeli bombs and rockets would be any more palatable to bear? If you think that Israel's actions are warranted and proportional, you're welcome to make that argument, it would be interesting to hear how you can justify merciless slaughter of innocent people on such a biblical scale, regardless of what's gone before.
Maybe we should heed Elon Musk's words..." We are sleepwalking into WW111."
Oct 26, 2023 4:54 PM CST A Jewish man speaks out.
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
Well done Matt Carthy.

A well argued presentation.

Hello, Bod. hug
Oct 26, 2023 5:03 PM CST A Jewish man speaks out.
gonelikethewimd
gonelikethewimdgonelikethewimdOsprey, Florida USA3,329 Posts
salamuna: his utopian ideas are good, but they float in the air. this is just demagoguery. There is not a single constructive suggestion in what he says. and most important, this is a demagogic rhetoric that came at the wrong time.

I’m curious what he would say if he would found himself in Kibbutz Beeri on October 7, 2023. there lived several American families with similar views... and where are they now?
It’s a pity that Israel does not release the video of the massacre of civilians of the kibbutz on October 7, which was filmed by Hamas. I would like all the empty talkers to see this... I saw it myself... and with all my left--center position, I simply cannot sleep, eat, drink, smile anymore. . the Israeli army showed this video to all Western correspondents 3 days ago.. some of them fainted, some vomited, some just cried.. it was decided not to publish this video. But I wish personally you mister bodleing could see it..I am curious which songs will you sing after it
You are not going to change peoples' minds S...

I agree with you...raping young girls and burning people alive..torturing people is considered fine these days..

I am very thankful..I do not have that mindset...nor do my family or my circle of friends...
Oct 26, 2023 5:26 PM CST A Jewish man speaks out.
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
jac_the_gripper: Well done Matt Carthy.

A well argued presentation.

Hello, Bod.
Powerful words from someone qualified to speak of how to resolve years of unrest and bitter hatred...eh jac....hug
Oct 26, 2023 6:04 PM CST A Jewish man speaks out.
A sensible Palestinian who is ready to meat half way, does that exist?

I'd like to see a video of one such.
Perhap that individual could be a future leader?
Oct 26, 2023 6:27 PM CST A Jewish man speaks out.
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
bodleing2: Powerful words from someone qualified to speak of how to resolve years of unrest and bitter hatred...eh jac....
Yes, thank you for postng it.

On another video you posted it said that peaceful protesters had their status as Jewish people questioned and even denied.

Personally, I rather think it's the other way round: since when is it Jewish, Muslim, or Christian to kill, particularly innocent people? dunno <--- Maureen Lipman natural Gallic shrug wink
Oct 26, 2023 6:34 PM CST A Jewish man speaks out.
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
Grandsiozzie: A sensible Palestinian who is ready to meat half way, does that exist?

I'd like to see a video of one such.
Perhap that individual could be a future leader?
Oct 27, 2023 4:35 AM CST A Jewish man speaks out.
salamuna
salamunasalamunaDeventer, Overijssel Netherlands5 Threads 225 Posts
My answer to bodleing and his supporters(happily they are in minority here)
First of alI I would like to clarify what does your call to Israel to “fight proportionately” mean?
Is this a proposal to shoot Gaza civilians in their beds and cut off the heads of babies?
Or should Netanyahu's government call for the killing of all Arabs around the world?
Could you be a little more specific? What I’m trying to convey to the dense people here - It is not a local conflict, it’s a conflict between 2 civilizations. The world has entered into very strong turbulence.
The central Western press, like BBC and the New York Times, has now provoked Jewish pogroms all around the world.. They have endangered the lives of Jews all over the world.. They allowed themselves to give a fake information, for example, about an Israeli missile strike on a hospital... the information came from Hamas, was unverified and, as it turned out later, false, but it worked in favor of the poor Palestinian people. The truth came quickly enough; within 4 hours it was established that the missile was carried out by militants of Islamic jihad.. but the chain of reaction to media reports had already begun, and that was it! IT provoked pogroms of Jews around the world... and no one bothered to apologize for spreading these lies.
the evil that came to Israel on October 7 is pure evil, which cannot be justified by any political motives. I’ll give you a comparative example: at the beginning of the war with Ukraine, Russia struck the Ukrainian Rostov maternity hospital. please remind me whether there were calls for the killing of Russians all around the world? Are Ukrainian babies cheaper than Palestinian ones? Or America's bombing of Afghanistan and Iraq for 2 months after 9.11. did you also care about the thousands of people killed there? I already realized that for you and your few satellites here in the forum, the life of the Israeli children is equated to zero. For years, the European liberal community has sponsored the murder of Israelis. Over the past decades, after the killings of Israeli civilians, Israel began operations to clean up Hamas militants. the whole world was making noise in defense of the poor Palestinian people. Yes, the Palestinian people are poor, because since 2007 they have been hostages of Hamas, which cuts the heads of its Palestinians who tried to resist, just like it did to the Jews. It would be better for the world community, suffering for the poor Palestinian people, to support Israel in the fight against Hamas, which has created a protective shield for itself from its own folk, placing rocket launchers near and on the top of hospitals, schools, residential buildings, and then after Israel’s response to regular rocket attacks from Gaza, carries out the bloody bodies of murdered children, showing them to BBC television cameras... this is an old Hamas tradition
You have angered me so much that I will say sharply - this time Hamas will be done.. and many civilians in Gaza will die, but it will be for the benefit of those who remain to continue to live. whether you like it or not... I said everything and am no longer going to support your anti-Semitic post. If you go on with your provoking videos, then just go to the hell together with your stupid "satellites"
Oct 27, 2023 5:31 AM CST A Jewish man speaks out.
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
salamuna: My answer to bodleing and his supporters(happily they are in minority here)
First of alI I would like to clarify what does your call to Israel to “fight proportionately” mean?
Is this a proposal to shoot Gaza civilians in their beds and cut off the heads of babies?"
I did not read any further than this as clearly you have been taken in by false information. The reports of babies being beheaded have been proven wrong. Even Biden had to retract his statement about that fictitious report and issue an apology, seems you're 'out of the loop' on that one, at least.
Oct 27, 2023 10:47 AM CST A Jewish man speaks out.
Jac, good video. I know such groups exist.
Bridge building good people, on all sides.
Plus we see no hostilities between Jews and Arabis inside Israel at the moment,
evein if that number of people is wast.
Also good.
But what I hunger to see right now is a Palestinian today
who would speak up against Hamas publicly and further more
suggest that the Palestinian people should agree to future peace proposals
from Israel, that will come if past history is anything to judge by here.
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