Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no... ( Archived) (282)

May 6, 2007 5:02 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
highfidelity
highfidelityhighfidelityEurope, Lower Saxony Germany37 Threads 2,287 Posts
Plarkin, I dont believe the Opec is in such week position..

For example when during and after Hurrican Katherina many Countries like Venezuela, Europe, Russia and Arab made donations of million of barrils of oil .. the prices kept rising .. the donations where piled up and not distributed for the cause donated..!!
so what should we all think of this ???
frustrated jaw drop very mad
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May 6, 2007 5:13 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
well, then it seems that all around the globe, the donation makes the thief!oh, wrong, they say the ocasion,oportunity makes the thief:).
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May 6, 2007 5:19 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
you are so right.I t was during this time military bases were set up and why you ask,to keep the peace.To make sure it was kept.A s for his remark about the terrorists,can you really blame him.We have been attacked in our own home,they stepped way over the line.And if you think you will see that certain countries are in alliance with the terrorists.But when they are asked about it they claim not to be.I agree with Bush on what he said it was time to let the terrorists know we mean business.And to let other countries either stand with us or with them.Look at the damage at the loss of lives caused by these animals.I call them that because they have no sense no reason except hate to do what they are doing.And you ask yourself if the terrorist can say they hate US enough,will they scare up the rest of the world to turn on us.If they kill destroy enough will others turn to them and the way they think?It is downright scary to know men more like robots would rather give their lives to destroy us.Then live in peace as one nation.Under their God and us under ours.
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May 6, 2007 5:22 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
highfidelity
highfidelityhighfidelityEurope, Lower Saxony Germany37 Threads 2,287 Posts
You know very well that all corrupt selfinstalled so called governament leaders arround the world are filling their personal accounts with donations and tax money in one way or another .. so whats the surprise ??? jaw drop
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May 6, 2007 5:23 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
On_My_Knees_4U
On_My_Knees_4UOn_My_Knees_4UBurr Ridge, Illinois USA230 Posts
nicely done...

also...the next time someone tells you...that Iraq...aren't the " terrorists "...just show them a video of a US citizen...being beheaded...
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May 6, 2007 5:28 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
just to make it clearfrustrated frustrated
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May 6, 2007 5:28 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
Oslojente
OslojenteOslojenteOlso, Oslo Norway142 Threads 1 Polls 4,992 Posts
Haditha is one of the most infamous and well publicized case of criminal homicide & murder by the US in Iraq. On November 19, 2005, a squad of US marines went on a rampage after a roadside bomb killed one of their groups. The squad's leader initially killed five unarmed young men who happened onto the scene in a taxi. The marines then raided nearby houses, firing freely and killing civilians, including women and children. Twenty-four Iraqis died in the incident, including ten women and children and an elderly man in a wheelchair. The marines involved have claimed that they were under a concerted attack by insurgents and their lawyers have argued that their action was a “justifiable use of lethal force.” But credible evidence suggests that the civilians were all unarmed and that the marines shot the Iraqis in cold blood and then tried to eliminate damaging evidence, including a headquarters log and video from an aerial drone that showed the incident. Like Abu Ghraib, US officials first described the Haditha massacre as an isolated case of misconduct. But the incident led to other revelations about atrocities, showing that it was part of a pattern of extreme and unrestrained violence that was more common among US Coalition troops than had been previously realized.

So get of your high horse, will you!
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May 6, 2007 5:38 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
Why thank you darlin.I dont see how anyone can see those monsters but for who they are.And they arent going to stop till we stop them.Heres something for all think about.Remember Sadam yeah that was another monster.Wasnt the US who got him.And what good things did he do?He tortured and killed ones in his own country.Something to think about.Do you see him and the terrorist leaders as two different groups ?No he was just like the terrorists except he had power,his country at his mercy.And now can you say he is still doing the same?If Im right I think it was a division from base in Ky found him hiding in his hole.And dug him out .Now he will pay for all astrosities he has done.But yet everyone wants to fault us and for what trying to help them to live.Without the fear of this evil,you call terrorists.
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May 6, 2007 5:40 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
Oslojente
OslojenteOslojenteOlso, Oslo Norway142 Threads 1 Polls 4,992 Posts
Honey, Saddam is dead...
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May 6, 2007 5:41 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
highfidelity
highfidelityhighfidelityEurope, Lower Saxony Germany37 Threads 2,287 Posts
A Chronology of US War Crimes & Torture, 1975-2005

I leave out on purpose the ones commited up today and get back to you in a detailed list of the 500.000 civilian Iraqi, Palestinian and other women, children and elderly killed .. as so called "casualities " alone the invented word makes me sick !!!




April 30, 1975

South Vietnam falls. The end of a massive US campaign of imperial aggression, including the systematic use of torture, dating back to 1962. At the time, a low point in US international prestige. The last several years of direct US military involvement featured widespread mutiny in the military, troops killing their officers, and intense social conflicts at home between the government and militant peace and civil rights movements. Beginning of the "Vietnam Syndrome," in which US leaders hesitate to unleash mass murder on the world, for fear of such domestic political repercussions.


1976-80

President Jimmy Carter rhetorically supports human rights,
and calls for energy conservation programs that are "the moral equivalent of war," partly to deal with US reliance on unstable and unjust regimes in the oil-rich Middle East, long recognized by US strategic planners as one of the greatest material prizes in world history, and therefore targeted for US influence, control and dominance. Carter's energy programs fail.


1979

Iranian revolution against the US-supported Shah. 52 US hostages held at the embassy in Tehran until January 20, 1981. Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and massive US CIA support for the Afghan mujahadeen resistance, also involving Pakistani and Saudi intelligence agencies. These same Islamic resistance fighters would later organize the international Islamic terror network symbolized by Al-Qaeda.


1980-88

President Ronald Reagan includes in his administration many of the same foreign and military policy appointees who would return to the Bush II administration 20 years later. Declares a "war on terrorism." Terrorizes people and popular organizations throughout Latin America, and supports apartheid and terrorism in Africa. Escapes impeachment in the "Iran/Contra Affair," for selling missiles to Iran and using the proceeds to illegally fund contra terrorists in Nicaragua.


1983

Invasion of tiny Caribbean island nation of Grenada begins to counter the "Vietnam Syndrome."


1989

Invasion of longstanding US client state Panama continues to counter the "Vietnam Syndrome."



II. NEW HORIZONS OF US EMPIRE, 1990-2000


1990

Iraq under Saddam Hussein invades Kuwait on August 2.


1991

Fall of the Soviet Union. End of the "Cold War." Operations "Desert Shield" and "Desert Storm" drive Iraqi forces out of Kuwait. US President George H.W. Bush publicly calls on Iraqi Shia and Kurds to rise up against Saddam's Sunni-based tyranny, then abandons them to be massacred when they do. The "Vietnam Syndrome" is largely forgotten, and there has been no significant evidence of an effective political left in the US since that time. Deadly economic "sanctions of mass destruction" are imposed on the Iraqi people, strengthening Saddam's dictatorial power over their impoverished nation.
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May 6, 2007 5:48 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
highfidelity
highfidelityhighfidelityEurope, Lower Saxony Germany37 Threads 2,287 Posts
December 28, 2001

Justice Dept. Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) opinion argues that US courts lack jurisdiction to review the treatment of foreign prisoners at Guantanamo.


January 2002

Rumsfeld approves the use of aggressive interrogation methods, including dogs, to intimidate prisoners at Guantanamo.

January 9, 2002 OLC's John Yoo co-authors a 42 page memo concluding that neither the Geneva Conventions nor any of the laws of war apply to the war in Afghanistan.


Mid-January 2002

First plane load of prisoners lands at Camp X-Ray in Guantanamo.


January 25, 2002

Gonzalez advises Bush that the Geneva Convention does not apply to detainees in the "war on terrorism" at Guantanamo. Gonzalez describes provisions of the Geneva Conventions as "quaint" and "obsolete." In fact, the Geneva Convention provides comprehensive protection for all persons in all armed conflicts, and no one has the lawful power to suspend its provisions. Gonzalez says he is concerned that without this conclusion US officials could be subject to prosecution for war crimes.


February 7, 2002

Over State Dept. objections, Bush issues a Memorandum adopting the essence of Gonzalez' legal position that detainees at Guantanamo are not Prisoners of War entitled to the protection of the Geneva Conventions. This is an attempt to shield US officials from responsibility for torture. Soon thereafter Bush signs a secret order granting new powers to the CIA to set up a series of secret detention facilities outside the US, and to interrogate detainees there harshly. The administration increases the "rendering" of suspects in a secret CIA jet to other governments to be tortured.


August 1, 2002

A Justice Department Memo ("The Torture Memo") requested by Gonzalez narrowly defines "torture" under US law and the Geneva Convention, as limited to practices causing physical pain "equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury, such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function, or even death." Specific practices like "water boarding" are discussed and approved. The memo opined that laws prohibiting torture "do not apply to the President's detention and interrogation of enemy combatants," because he is Commander-in-Chief of the US military. The author, Jay Bybee, has subsequently been appointed to a lifetime position as a federal appellate judge.


September 2002

The Bush administration adopts its National Security Strategy, announcing the doctrine of "pre-emptive war" wherever and whenever they choose. Cofer Black, head of CIA Countertorrorist Center, testifies at a joint hearing of the House and Senate Intelligence Committee: "This is a highly classified area, but I have to say that all you need to know: There was a before 9/11, and there was an after 9/11. After 9/11 the gloves came off."


November 14, 2002

Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security John Bolton, one of the Bush government's leading neocons, addresses the Federalist Society, a right wing legal organization that promotes judicial candidates for the Bush administration. Bolton denounces the International Criminal Court, and says that an alternative to international war crimes prosecutions "is for the parties themselves to try their own alleged war criminals. Indeed, there are substantial arguments that the fullest cathartic impact of the prosecutorial approach to war crimes occurs when the responsible population itself comes to grips with its past and administers appropriate justice."


December 2002

Rumsfeld approves initial list of 16 interrogation methods for Guantanamo, in addition to the 17 traditionally approved methods in the Army Field Manual. The new techniques clearly violate the Geneva Convention and US anti-torture laws.
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May 6, 2007 5:59 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
dragondog4
dragondog4dragondog4Perth, Western Australia Australia55 Threads 3,912 Posts
Sign me up. I have made similar statemnets on other threads. If there is a stand going to happen I will make it to.
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May 6, 2007 6:02 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
Oslojente
OslojenteOslojenteOlso, Oslo Norway142 Threads 1 Polls 4,992 Posts
That's just one example of the good you claim to have done in Iraq, and there are plenty more cases.
There's the fact of 500 000 people slaughtered, 1.5 million Iraqis have displaced within the country and 1.6 million are refugees abroad... So so much for fixing!!
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May 6, 2007 6:02 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
On_My_Knees_4U
On_My_Knees_4UOn_My_Knees_4UBurr Ridge, Illinois USA230 Posts
alot of your quotes are from Liberal rags...they hate Bush...and...to certain degree this country...the " fuggin "...terrorist...they should be treated as such...I shed not one tear for them...for they fired the first shot...in this country...you don'r get mad...you get even !!!
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May 6, 2007 6:05 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
highfidelity
highfidelityhighfidelityEurope, Lower Saxony Germany37 Threads 2,287 Posts
Sometimes I think we get on to the facts - and go from there ... thanks !
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May 6, 2007 6:08 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
On_My_Knees_4U
On_My_Knees_4UOn_My_Knees_4UBurr Ridge, Illinois USA230 Posts
The cost of freedom is always high, but Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and that is the path of surrender, or submission.”

John F. Kennedy
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May 6, 2007 6:11 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
I dont need to copy and paste.Butso you know we have called attention to the detainees.And wasnt it said that a few disregarded their duties.And Im sure they will be made to answer for any and all wrongdoings.In any one situation something bad happens everyones heads go off in different directions.Accusations are made,none of it proven mind you.And as we stay in that country we are fighting to protect them as well.And what is every soldiers fear there more than likely.The fear of never making it back to his home to his counttry.Do you know the tattoo saying army wears?It says Americans by birth,soldier by choice.I want to give praise and thank every serviceman or women in whatever part of this world you are in.For without you we would be nothing.applause applause
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May 6, 2007 6:19 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
On_My_Knees_4U
On_My_Knees_4UOn_My_Knees_4UBurr Ridge, Illinois USA230 Posts
Americans by birth,soldier by choice
didn't know that...makes you want go out and salute old glory...LMAO...
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May 6, 2007 6:28 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
yesmy uncle served like twenty some years in Army during Korean and Vietnam.I was little then but I remember that tattoo see it again recently and its a army thing.wink
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May 6, 2007 6:41 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
highfidelity
highfidelityhighfidelityEurope, Lower Saxony Germany37 Threads 2,287 Posts
oh..dear if you would know the mind of thinking and reflecting people you would be surprised of your fellow Americans.. The problem is your shortsight ...
First read -- then milk the cows (as you stated previousely) then attend your men on the front poarch with his friends ) then think-- and then if you have still an own oppinion reply again !
doh mumbling
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