Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no... (282)
But it is not only uneducated people who support Bush, what about his well educated base. Bush says at a dinner fucntion..."Some may call you the elite, I call you my base."
“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow men. True nobility lies in being superior to your former self.”
“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow men. True nobility lies in being superior to your former self.”
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tell you what come down into my part of the world.And thern you can say how lost you really are.And who is the we think,you throw mud I throw it back.Now mythical I will accept,cause it is like magic.
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Wow, I was pondering whether to even reply to that. I'm not sure you actually read what I wrote or you just didn't understand it. You are mixing up what I said about 9/11 and the tsunami, you take offence at being called "world police" but then you proudly say "we are the world police".
What does Osama Bin Laden have to do with Iraq? He's a person, not a country. I mentioned before I would be happy if we tried to find real terrorists for a change.
What does military have to do with commerce? You can very well do trades with other countries without destroying them first.
And by the way, you wouldn't know a thing about the economic condition of Germany. I am in this country for personal reasons not because I think this is the greatest place in the world. Anything I can do here I can just as well do in Europe or many other places around the world, except blindy running around blaring constantlyhow great a country I live in.
What does Osama Bin Laden have to do with Iraq? He's a person, not a country. I mentioned before I would be happy if we tried to find real terrorists for a change.
What does military have to do with commerce? You can very well do trades with other countries without destroying them first.
And by the way, you wouldn't know a thing about the economic condition of Germany. I am in this country for personal reasons not because I think this is the greatest place in the world. Anything I can do here I can just as well do in Europe or many other places around the world, except blindy running around blaring constantlyhow great a country I live in.
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Good job hillbillyhoney....Who is the "we?" I am as liberal as they get and I get sick and tired of these people acting superior and criticizing others because of their difference of opinion. That does not make them superior.
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It's not about education. It's about intelligence. Some of them don't even believe in evolution which is ironic because it doesn't look to me like something intelligent designed them either.
His "elite base" supports him, some despite knowing better, because of cronyism and financial benefit. You could call that lack of moral intelligence if you will.
His "elite base" supports him, some despite knowing better, because of cronyism and financial benefit. You could call that lack of moral intelligence if you will.
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Netter – “you dont think you are a bit arrogant, respect the opinions of other people too even if they are not from the US.”
Not because they aren't from the US, because they don’t know jack about it. I also question the intelligence of anyone who forms opinions simply due to the media, and not first hand. Anyone stupid enough to believe all the propaganda…
Oslo – “See, that's part of the problem, not wanting to hear what other people have to say...”
LOL I read your posts, just don’t buy into things I KNOW aren’t true on your “say so”.
Liter – “And why not apply the same principles of jurisprudence to people overseas that are applied in American courts? Namely you're innocent until proven guilty.”
RFLMAO Didn’t you know, in Mexico you are guilty until proven innocent? They want things their way, I say go with that one.
”Will you quit bashing illegal immigrants? Show me one study by a reputable organization that shows that illegal aliens cause a crime spike.”
Not bashing, just say what is and ain’t. Called reality. If you want stats, run a search on prison populations. If you claim to be so literary, LOL, should be a piece of cake.
”Again you don't speak for all Americans. Just speak for yourself"
Nope, not all, just every one I know, and IF you read, you'll see I'm not the only poster on this site alone who feels that way.
High – “By the way .. there are more as 4.5 million Americans living abroad .. number is growing by the year .. and they are not Military.”
What's your point? Check how many of them are going there illegally and commit crimes etc while there.
“As a result, year after year, most Americans are kept in the dark, unaware of the actual, the real America--the only kind seen by much of the rest of the world.”
LOL You really are lost aren’t you? Yeah, right, the media is all you have to go on, and while you bash it, you believe it LOL Sorry, but not even interested in reading the rest of your illusions.
Plarkin – “Can we be any more ignorant and misinformed? Iraq was not in a mess, indeed Iraq was one of the bright spots in the Middle east. Its women were free and its population the best educated amongst all Arab countries.”
You MUST be incredibly ignorant and misinformed to even post that. And…
“Norway also tops the list of best places to live.”
Ran a search. Not tops on this list.
or this one
or this one
closest I could find was one just for cities, Norway doesn’t come up until #26
Netter – “read what high and plarkin are writing on here they tell you more the truth than media do!”
RFLMAO, yeah right!
OMK – “you're wasting your time debating this issue with this lot...what I've noticed happening on this site is...instead of commenting on the subject...they seem to pile on the poster...screaming about lack of intelligence...basicly calling ANYONE who they disagree with..." ignorant "...or...an " idiot”
Noticed that too did ya’? LOL I posted links to show them how stupid they were, not just insults. Disgusting tactic, speaks to the mentality and character of those who use it.
High – “What you state here stinks like foul left over of the lowest part of body”
And I thought that was a response to your posts. Would be dead on.
Not because they aren't from the US, because they don’t know jack about it. I also question the intelligence of anyone who forms opinions simply due to the media, and not first hand. Anyone stupid enough to believe all the propaganda…
Oslo – “See, that's part of the problem, not wanting to hear what other people have to say...”
LOL I read your posts, just don’t buy into things I KNOW aren’t true on your “say so”.
Liter – “And why not apply the same principles of jurisprudence to people overseas that are applied in American courts? Namely you're innocent until proven guilty.”
RFLMAO Didn’t you know, in Mexico you are guilty until proven innocent? They want things their way, I say go with that one.
”Will you quit bashing illegal immigrants? Show me one study by a reputable organization that shows that illegal aliens cause a crime spike.”
Not bashing, just say what is and ain’t. Called reality. If you want stats, run a search on prison populations. If you claim to be so literary, LOL, should be a piece of cake.
”Again you don't speak for all Americans. Just speak for yourself"
Nope, not all, just every one I know, and IF you read, you'll see I'm not the only poster on this site alone who feels that way.
High – “By the way .. there are more as 4.5 million Americans living abroad .. number is growing by the year .. and they are not Military.”
What's your point? Check how many of them are going there illegally and commit crimes etc while there.
“As a result, year after year, most Americans are kept in the dark, unaware of the actual, the real America--the only kind seen by much of the rest of the world.”
LOL You really are lost aren’t you? Yeah, right, the media is all you have to go on, and while you bash it, you believe it LOL Sorry, but not even interested in reading the rest of your illusions.
Plarkin – “Can we be any more ignorant and misinformed? Iraq was not in a mess, indeed Iraq was one of the bright spots in the Middle east. Its women were free and its population the best educated amongst all Arab countries.”
You MUST be incredibly ignorant and misinformed to even post that. And…
“Norway also tops the list of best places to live.”
Ran a search. Not tops on this list.
or this one
or this one
closest I could find was one just for cities, Norway doesn’t come up until #26
Netter – “read what high and plarkin are writing on here they tell you more the truth than media do!”
RFLMAO, yeah right!
OMK – “you're wasting your time debating this issue with this lot...what I've noticed happening on this site is...instead of commenting on the subject...they seem to pile on the poster...screaming about lack of intelligence...basicly calling ANYONE who they disagree with..." ignorant "...or...an " idiot”
Noticed that too did ya’? LOL I posted links to show them how stupid they were, not just insults. Disgusting tactic, speaks to the mentality and character of those who use it.
High – “What you state here stinks like foul left over of the lowest part of body”
And I thought that was a response to your posts. Would be dead on.
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mercy sakes you are in my neck of the woods.
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I'm glad you're liberal but why aren't you liberal enough to allow critisism? There is nothing wrong with that. Conservatives certainly don't seem to have a problem with it.
Besides, some things are just better than others. You can't argue that. If some fool jumps of the roof because he thinks he can fly, I would criticize his idea, nominate him for the Darwin award and feel superior because I really would be.
Besides, some things are just better than others. You can't argue that. If some fool jumps of the roof because he thinks he can fly, I would criticize his idea, nominate him for the Darwin award and feel superior because I really would be.
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There is no freedom or evolution unless you have the freedom to error and be who you are and where you are today. So just take your club and beat them into submission and force them to evolve...that sounds very intelligent.
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better watch them they will be calling you a fake.All because we set them straight and not let them go off on.I asked them to bring some real documentated proof that we are doing what they say.And how do they reply not with proof but lack of it.
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I admire the intelligent man who can discuss without criticizing and personal attacks...He doesn't have to prove anything...he doesn't feel a need to be superior in his intelligence or knowledge...that is neurotic.
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More than half of all Americans believe that Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the 9/11 terrorist attacks. According to an Associated Press poll conducted shortly after the conclusion of the successful invasion of Iraq, 53 percent of the nation pin the 9/11 murders on Saddam, something the CIA and most of the world intelligence gathering organizations have consistently discounted.
The fact that so many Americans believe this reveals the successful drum beating of the Bush administration along with a failure of both Congress and the media to adequately question the President's motives or to challenge the statements coming from the White House and Pentagon. President Bush and his horde of advisors have constantly said they never--ever--said that Saddam was the person behind the attacks. But, if the President could say "subliminal," that's what he, the vice-president, and their administration did to the Americans, with the complicity of the media who abrogated their responsibilities and made it seem that challenging anything the President said would be treason.
In message after message, the President referred to 9/11 and the war on terrorism. Then, as in the movies, he jump-cut to the evils of Saddam, letting the people think there was a smooth transition, while implanting those "hidden" meanings.
A month after 9/11, Americans believed Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda were responsible. Upon that basis, the President ordered an invasion of Afghanistan, one of several countries that harbored bin Laden and his terrorists, and overthrew the Taliban regime. At the time, finding anyone who thought Saddam was personally involved in 9/11 was as rare as finding a corporate executive who believed in unions.
Americans quickly learned that 15 of the 19 suicide/killers of 9/11 were Saudi. With a little more digging into buried news accounts, they might have also learned that 26 of al-Qaeda's top leadership at the time of 9/11, including bin Laden, were Egyptian, Saudi, or Yemini. Only one, a third level administrator, was an Iraqi. They might also have learned that eight of the top 10 financial contributors to al-Qaeda are Saudi. They might also have learned that Saddam and al-Qaeda had never been close, that as ruthless as Saddam was, he was relatively moderate in the world of terrorism except, of course, against his own people.
A year of Presidential drum beating and brow-bashing led to about a third of Americans becoming believers. A month before the invasion of Iraq, about 45 percent of Americans, according to the AP, believed the Iraqi dictator was personally involved.
The fact that so many Americans believe this reveals the successful drum beating of the Bush administration along with a failure of both Congress and the media to adequately question the President's motives or to challenge the statements coming from the White House and Pentagon. President Bush and his horde of advisors have constantly said they never--ever--said that Saddam was the person behind the attacks. But, if the President could say "subliminal," that's what he, the vice-president, and their administration did to the Americans, with the complicity of the media who abrogated their responsibilities and made it seem that challenging anything the President said would be treason.
In message after message, the President referred to 9/11 and the war on terrorism. Then, as in the movies, he jump-cut to the evils of Saddam, letting the people think there was a smooth transition, while implanting those "hidden" meanings.
A month after 9/11, Americans believed Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda were responsible. Upon that basis, the President ordered an invasion of Afghanistan, one of several countries that harbored bin Laden and his terrorists, and overthrew the Taliban regime. At the time, finding anyone who thought Saddam was personally involved in 9/11 was as rare as finding a corporate executive who believed in unions.
Americans quickly learned that 15 of the 19 suicide/killers of 9/11 were Saudi. With a little more digging into buried news accounts, they might have also learned that 26 of al-Qaeda's top leadership at the time of 9/11, including bin Laden, were Egyptian, Saudi, or Yemini. Only one, a third level administrator, was an Iraqi. They might also have learned that eight of the top 10 financial contributors to al-Qaeda are Saudi. They might also have learned that Saddam and al-Qaeda had never been close, that as ruthless as Saddam was, he was relatively moderate in the world of terrorism except, of course, against his own people.
A year of Presidential drum beating and brow-bashing led to about a third of Americans becoming believers. A month before the invasion of Iraq, about 45 percent of Americans, according to the AP, believed the Iraqi dictator was personally involved.
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Amen to that,and Im thinking they did catch them spys in Virginia.
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LOLjuzme:
"For the fourth year in a row, the United Nations has ranked Norway as having the highest standard of living in the world. Sweden, Australia and Canada are next in line, while the United States is further down the scale.
The annual ranking is based largely on average levels of education and income, combined with expected length of lifetime.
The report measured standards of living in 177 countries around the world. Other Nordic countries also ranked high, with Iceland in 7th place, Finland 13th and Denmark 17th.
Norway's gross national product per person amounted to USD 36,600, beaten only by Luxembourg. Its men and women are expected to live to an age of 78.9 years and Norway is one of 19 countries in the world with no measurable rates of illiteracy.
Researchers for the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) also weighed countries' degrees of cultural freedom in their analysis. They called cultural freedom a "basic human right," and awarded high scores in this year's UN Human Development Report to countries that accept immigrant cultures in addition to their own.
Norway's cultural diversity has blossomed in recent years, and public policies are aimed at integrating various ethnic groups and promoting tolerance.
Norway also was lauded for its high literacy rate in addition to educational levels and material wealth. Norwegians themselves generally point to their country's scenic beauty, recreational opportunities, clean water and fresh air.
The United States landed in eighth place on the list, while France, for example, was 16th.
The worst countries in which to live are all in Africa, according to the UN report. All 23 nations at the bottom of the list were African, with war-torn Sierra Leone in last place."
But then, what the UN says doesn't really matter, does it?
"For the fourth year in a row, the United Nations has ranked Norway as having the highest standard of living in the world. Sweden, Australia and Canada are next in line, while the United States is further down the scale.
The annual ranking is based largely on average levels of education and income, combined with expected length of lifetime.
The report measured standards of living in 177 countries around the world. Other Nordic countries also ranked high, with Iceland in 7th place, Finland 13th and Denmark 17th.
Norway's gross national product per person amounted to USD 36,600, beaten only by Luxembourg. Its men and women are expected to live to an age of 78.9 years and Norway is one of 19 countries in the world with no measurable rates of illiteracy.
Researchers for the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) also weighed countries' degrees of cultural freedom in their analysis. They called cultural freedom a "basic human right," and awarded high scores in this year's UN Human Development Report to countries that accept immigrant cultures in addition to their own.
Norway's cultural diversity has blossomed in recent years, and public policies are aimed at integrating various ethnic groups and promoting tolerance.
Norway also was lauded for its high literacy rate in addition to educational levels and material wealth. Norwegians themselves generally point to their country's scenic beauty, recreational opportunities, clean water and fresh air.
The United States landed in eighth place on the list, while France, for example, was 16th.
The worst countries in which to live are all in Africa, according to the UN report. All 23 nations at the bottom of the list were African, with war-torn Sierra Leone in last place."
But then, what the UN says doesn't really matter, does it?
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It's not about being superior. I'm confident enough without having to prove it. It's about pointing out problems and trying to make a change for the better.
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Battle on people...no one is changing anyone's mind.
If it makes you feel superior to criticize, you still have a lot to learn. It doesn't make me feel good about myself, that is why I avoid these political fights now.
If it makes you feel superior to criticize, you still have a lot to learn. It doesn't make me feel good about myself, that is why I avoid these political fights now.
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In a few months, Americans may be shocked that Iraq didn't help al-Qaeda and the 9/11 attacks, that it didn't have weapons of mass destruction, and that there may have been collusion between the Administration and major corporations to reap financial rewards for rebuilding a country that the U.S. destroyed. We should be shocked--but we should also be in awe of how well the President and his administration spun their messages of war, and how dizzy the major media must have been to have accepted the words unchallenged.
This article written in April 25, 2003
had the titel :
The Shock and Awe of American Ignorance
and was written by
Walt Brasch, a national award-winning reporter and editor, professor of journalism at Bloomsburg University.
He is the author of 13 books, including The Press and the State, and the current book, The Joy of Sax: America During the Bill Clinton Era.
This article written in April 25, 2003
had the titel :
The Shock and Awe of American Ignorance
and was written by
Walt Brasch, a national award-winning reporter and editor, professor of journalism at Bloomsburg University.
He is the author of 13 books, including The Press and the State, and the current book, The Joy of Sax: America During the Bill Clinton Era.
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well i think if everone stood up............
thered be lots of empty chairs
thered be lots of empty chairs
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bashing facts again.. how dare you 
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You are asking on one side proof of postings - and when they are submitted with the sources you call them propaganda -
By the way Honey - most of what I write here is from my own .. how did ya call it .. MOUTH !!!
Did it ever come to your mind that some people out there realy study and think about the subjects they are posting here, (not because of wanting to show of to you of course not )
but not just blurring out any sort of selfimposed crap.
When you mix up Tsunami with 9/11 and that then into the war with Iraq - you know it shows ..
one day perhaps you will regret that you educated your own children the same way !
Dont turn not knowing into blind hate PLEASE !!