Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no... ( Archived) (282)

May 1, 2007 5:20 AM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
highfidelity
highfidelityhighfidelityEurope, Lower Saxony Germany37 Threads 2,287 Posts
George W. Bush took earlier administrations' power of reckless militarism and unilateralism, seizing the moment after 9/11 to declare to all nations:

"Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. " !!!????
From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime." In other words: We demand global capitulation and support for war to whatever we declare Terror..

Look around the world at the results of U.S. strategies. Rhetoric about democracy and free trade has masked the enforcement of political and economic subordination to the United States and U.S.-based multinational corporations. The people of Latin America, much of Africa and the Middle East, and many parts of Asia can offer compelling testimony to the impact of those policies, enforced now through more than 700 U.S. military bases spread across the globe in over 130 countries.
doh

Imagine what would be possible if we -- ordinary citizens of this latest empire -- could build a movement that gave politicians no choice but to do the right thing.


Imagine what is possible if we work to make inevitable one day what seems improbable today -- the justice that makes possible real peace.

peace
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May 1, 2007 7:58 AM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Hi, you make good points. I hear so much criticism of Mr Bush from all over - isnt it about time somebody started a call for impeachment? some good pointers for cases against him can be found on the Neil Young song; Lets Impeach The President.
There is apparently a guy called Barak Obama standing against him who represents some of the things you mention.
I agree, lets do the right thing
Trish
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May 1, 2007 9:54 AM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
sexysweeti
sexysweetisexysweetiClinton, USA22 Threads 1,788 Posts
The majority of the world did stand up and say no to bush but he didn't listen and him and his master strategist Karl Rove were able to manipulate the people again.

Did you know it was Clinton's idea to give a credit for child care but bush increased that credit and gave a little tax cut that might purchase a tank of gas and a bag of chips and so many poor people were taken in by this big display of generosity (sarcasim) and whatever the media said (ignorance, but not sarcasim) that he was given a second term to harm our Country more and believe me American's will be paying for bush's arrogance, stubborness, greediness, and stupidy for many years to come. Mr. Brilliant and all his brillant advisors (sarcasm) helped bin laden more than they got justice for 9/11. Most of the world and many of the smartest and best (not greedy) Americans were able to realize this.

If it was up to me not one of our young soldiers would have shed a drop of blood for the legency bush so badly wanted to create and the unetical way he wanted to take control of another countries resources and excert more control in the Middle East. He created a legacy of the worst president in the history of the US.

peace peace peace
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May 1, 2007 10:18 AM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
sexysweeti
sexysweetisexysweetiClinton, USA22 Threads 1,788 Posts
I meant Obama
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May 1, 2007 10:26 AM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
agman
agmanagmanEagle, Idaho USA3,145 Posts
rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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May 1, 2007 10:59 AM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
LOLjuzme
LOLjuzmeLOLjuzmeinstate, Washington USA19 Threads 447 Posts
LOL Guess I just don't see a big difference between the two, Freudian slip?
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May 1, 2007 11:14 AM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
homer1
homer1homer1Luxembourg, Luxembourg15 Threads 572 Posts
Is that a trailer in the background in your picture?
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May 1, 2007 12:57 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
very mad very mad frustrated laugh doh
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May 1, 2007 9:37 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
Paulbearer
PaulbearerPaulbearerHouston, Texas USA237 Posts
G*d you're obsessive. I think you need to get out more and learn to enjoy the beauty of the world around you.
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May 1, 2007 9:41 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
Paulbearer
PaulbearerPaulbearerHouston, Texas USA237 Posts
Is this supposed to be funny? Think you're better than she is? thats the crux of you people--you think youre better than everyone else.
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May 1, 2007 11:14 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
solitare
solitaresolitareBariloche, Rio Negro Argentina40 Threads 4,041 Posts
L O L !!! (actually, they may be in several...)
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May 1, 2007 11:38 PM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
plarkin
plarkinplarkinMinneapolis, Minnesota USA69 Threads 514 Posts
And when that putative tornado hits a trailer park many Republican supporters are lost! :) :)
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May 2, 2007 2:21 AM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
Oslojente
OslojenteOslojenteOlso, Oslo Norway142 Threads 1 Polls 4,992 Posts
Brilliant comment (as always from you)!!! laugh thumbs up
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May 2, 2007 5:00 AM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
homer1
homer1homer1Luxembourg, Luxembourg15 Threads 572 Posts
The crux of the matter is that people often seem to lack in empathy towards the suffering of other people. This sometimes happens because the 'other' threatens them in some way; a simple matter of self-interest. This is true of everybody. However, prejudice and ignorance too are often behind the lack of empathy. And that too affects just about everybody. Nobody is one hundred percent self-sacrificing and altruistic and nobody is above prejudice and ignorance. Thus there are no better people or worse people. There are just people. And no, I dont think I am better than her or anybody who holds an opinion contrary to mine. I also admit to having made a snide comment and apologize.

Migrants to the USA is an issue which like all issues can be most convincingly argued both ways. It has to be remembered though that the law has little to do with the notion of justice and even less to do with the idea of fairness. Further the 'law' is always, I repeat always, the law of the dominating group in society.

If one's sense of humanity comprises the interest of only oneself then an idea of 'fairness' cannot exist. The more people that are included in one's perspective, the wider one's sympathies for others. It is sympathy that is at issue over here and not the law or the justice that it dictates. You can have sympathy for others even though their existence may pose a threat to yours - or at least perceived to be so. (At extremes, soldiers of opposing armies feel for each other as amply demonstrated in war). So, to disregard the needs, aspirations and sufferings of people whose activity is perhaps inimical to your interests reduces your breadth of mind and awareness of human existence in its many many states. In the long run it is also most counter-productive for your own purposes. You would not want to be ignored, dismissed and rejected when history changes your fortunes. And history does change and change all the time in the most surprising and unexpected ways.
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May 2, 2007 6:10 AM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
fireliter
fireliterfireliterAllen Park, Michigan USA502 Threads 14 Polls 5,902 Posts
he has set a precedent and so has our electd representatives and senators... shame on them more so than the president. our system was dsigned with checks and balances unfortunately that system is faulty..beit beacuse of instant information or the readily available access to create false information.

either way the presidents histroy before politics reeals he ain't no eistein, or roosevelt or professor in economics....

no way can a village idiot do such damage unless he was allowed. to those politicains still in office your day of accountable should come first... before taking the president behind the tool shed.

think how those of the other end of spectrum could use the powerthat bush has amassed since 9/11 and how they would use it.....thats scary too.
nope the problem lies withn the house of congress and the senate chambers. to many great individuals beguiled bty a village idiot.....

again what has occurred lies at the feet of our congressmen and senators...... remember the check and balances of democracy???
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May 2, 2007 7:46 AM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
highfidelity
highfidelityhighfidelityEurope, Lower Saxony Germany37 Threads 2,287 Posts
gee... shortsighted is what you are, and what stated is not an oppinion its just a personal useless comment - I can do without.

What world of beauty you are talking about anyway ..?
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May 2, 2007 7:56 AM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
agman
agmanagmanEagle, Idaho USA3,145 Posts
Can we sit down and say no too? grin
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May 2, 2007 8:12 AM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
fireliter
fireliterfireliterAllen Park, Michigan USA502 Threads 14 Polls 5,902 Posts
yeah this constant repeating "no" will make us thirsty too can I sit at or near a place that serves cold beverage cause i too believe its gonna be a long long time of sayin "no"
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May 2, 2007 8:17 AM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
Oslojente
OslojenteOslojenteOlso, Oslo Norway142 Threads 1 Polls 4,992 Posts
Agree, Bush vetoed withdrawal from Iraq yesterday, so yes, I think it will be a loooooong time, but then again maybe that's why its important to start soon? confused
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May 2, 2007 8:23 AM CST Imagine what would be ...if we all stand up and say no...
plarkin
plarkinplarkinMinneapolis, Minnesota USA69 Threads 514 Posts
If the Congress had the balls they would now simply do nothing. Let the funds for the war run out. This is how the Vietnam war was ended; however, we know Bush is psychotic, he'd keep the troops over there without funding and blame the Democrats when the troops ran out of things they need.

Isn't it ironic that Dubya is now saying that let the commanders decide matters about the war and not politicians! Guess who ordered the war in the first place?
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