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Jun 12, 2007 2:33 AM CST Stop the Clash
Oslojente
OslojenteOslojenteOlso, Oslo Norway142 Threads 1 Polls 4,992 Posts
"The Stop the Clash campaign challenges the growing belief that fundamental divides between the "West" and "Islam" (whatever they actually mean...) make conflict inevitable.

But there is nothing inevitable about this false "clash" and it's up to us to stand up for the truth. Here are some facts and figures, beginning with the ones in our video:

81% of Europeans and 87% of Americans want Middle East peace.
(Eurobarometer, Gallup) 65% of Egyptians and 74% of Jordanians want democracy. (The Great Divide: How Westerns and Muslims View Each Other; Pew Research Centre)

62% of Palestinians and 67% of Israelis want real Middle East peace talks, although each side remains deeply skeptical of the other's sincerity and commitment to genuine negotiations.

As people's fears are stirred up, there are some signs of people moving further apart. The Pew Research Centre carried out research into attitudes between Muslims, Westerners and Muslims living in Western countries. They found some opinions that were cause for concern. For example, in Nigeria, 73% of non-Muslims now see Muslims as violent, with 67% in India and 60% in Spain sharing that point of view. In the US, the number is 45%.

Muslims also see people in Western countries as violent - nearly three-quarters of Nigerian and Egyptian Muslims believe people in western countries are violent, along with 81% in Jordan and 70% in Turkey.

But there were also reasons to be optimistic, reflected in the figures quoted in our video and in other places affected by the "clash". For instance, in 2006, the number of people in Jordan viewing suicide attacks as often or sometimes justified was down nearly 30% from 57% in May 2005.

More recently, a survey carried out by Globescan had other findings about relations between Islam and the West. In 24 out of 27 countries, the majority view was that the source of tension between Islam and the West arises from "conflicts about political power and interests" - about 52% overall. Only 29% thought it was down to religious or cultural differences. 56% percent said that common ground can be found between Islam and the West. A majority believed this in 25 of 27 countries asked.

Our leaders would like us to believe that the clash between Islam and the West is a certainty. But these statistics tell a different story - that in fact, even in the places where relationships between people are strained by decades of violence and conflict, a majority still know that peace is possible and are willing to speak up for it. By signing the Avaaz petition and asking your friends and family to do the same, you can increase the pressure for peace in a way that world leaders can't ignore."

You can also watch the video on the Avaaz site...
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Jun 12, 2007 8:24 AM CST Stop the Clash
Oslojente
OslojenteOslojenteOlso, Oslo Norway142 Threads 1 Polls 4,992 Posts
Did anyone see it? Any comments??
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Jun 12, 2007 8:42 AM CST Stop the Clash
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Sorry im a bit late with this one but I have just joined it - thanks for posting this very good idea - have you come across Zaadz?

Im in one heck of a rush just now and will browse and comment on the site later but, just one look was enough for me to decide to put my name down handshake
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Jun 12, 2007 9:39 AM CST Stop the Clash
Oslojente
OslojenteOslojenteOlso, Oslo Norway142 Threads 1 Polls 4,992 Posts
No, I haven't, will look at it later when I have some more time!
Thanks!
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Jun 12, 2007 9:43 AM CST Stop the Clash
fireliter
fireliterfireliterAllen Park, Michigan USA502 Threads 14 Polls 5,902 Posts
the world leaders and corporations despite what their PR people say profit from the world having such disputes it is a propaganda machine that is fed by both sides not for allah or god but for wealth and power... imagine a global community in its truest sense not a global econmy a global community there is a huge difference the push is on global economy many countries corporations profit now from disputes.
it is not just Amercia counting the profits from the middleeastern turmiol the list of different countries corporations continue to grow daily.
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Jun 12, 2007 10:06 AM CST Stop the Clash
dakwa
dakwadakwatulsa, Oklahoma USA8 Threads 226 Posts
I don't doubt this at all, and is one reason that most people including many politicians do not talk about it being a conflict against all Moslums.
I know when John Kerry was running for office, I found out through a site from the Yong Iranians for Democracy, that the Iranian Government had donated $150,000.00 U.S. to his compaign, which they did not like, nor trusted Kerry.
The problem with much of what we hear, is not that it is false or not the truth, but so much of it is lies mixed with half-truths, just enough that if you do not look you can be easily mislead. The group of Moslums where the issues are today, are the groups that would use their religion as a weapon against their own people, and the world, and train young boys to go into suppermarkets, coffee shops, and such and blow themselves up to kill as many as their leaders thought were evil.
There are many fractions of people over in the Middle East, just like in any other country, and some need to be removed due to their violent and destructive nature.
If you look in the US and some other countries, we have our own groups that do or try to do simular. We have groups here in the US that preach Christianity or death, and that is equally as wrong, but they cannot get the power as the terrorists in the Middle East have been able to develop over the centuries. And yes that is centuries, as this type of training and teachings have been going on before the Romans ruled these countries, the difference being that there arfe newer and more dangerous weapons for these groups to use now; explosives, rifles, bio-weapons, nuclear weapons, and who knows what the future will bring.
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Jun 12, 2007 7:18 PM CST Stop the Clash
Oslojente
OslojenteOslojenteOlso, Oslo Norway142 Threads 1 Polls 4,992 Posts
Howcome I'm not surprised??
All that matters to people is who would sleep with whom etc...
It will fit nicely into my social studies... Just how shallow people are...

To the posters on this thread: Thanks!!!

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Jun 12, 2007 7:23 PM CST Stop the Clash
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
It's all about having a reserve "causus belli".

With nobody to fear, how can you incite patriotic indignation?

Ah, the paradigm is beginning to feel the strain...help doh

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Jun 12, 2007 7:29 PM CST Stop the Clash
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
the paradigms inevitaby shift with each breath or wind of change - it is for us to keep abreast of these matters - hug
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Jun 12, 2007 7:39 PM CST Stop the Clash
dragondog4
dragondog4dragondog4Perth, Western Australia Australia55 Threads 3,912 Posts
I concur Oslo. And thanks for the info.

I'm still a skeptic as what has been stands. Those in power don't give up power easily. Then we elect another group of idiots and place them in power.

Believe you me. We would do ourselves, all the world of good if we cut the renumeration packages for all elected offices by 3/4 s.

Then we would get people their for the good of the country not the good of themselves. People like yourself Oslo who have a brain and a conscience.
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Jun 12, 2007 7:43 PM CST Stop the Clash
Oslojente
OslojenteOslojenteOlso, Oslo Norway142 Threads 1 Polls 4,992 Posts
Thank you, much appreciated, not that there's much point on here, but at least my "message" got through to some!!! thumbs up
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Jun 18, 2007 7:44 AM CST Stop the Clash
Hennery
HenneryHenneryVentura, California USA31 Threads 855 Posts
innocent Janet your numbers are irrellivent, Because The Zionest Illuminatti/NWO want WW3 or The New World Order...devil

Fasciest Israel wants Islam dead, so all the lans and bounty there in, will belong to Israel...frustrated

Israel Controles bushco, NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND???mumbling
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Jun 18, 2007 7:47 AM CST Stop the Clash
Oslojente
OslojenteOslojenteOlso, Oslo Norway142 Threads 1 Polls 4,992 Posts
This was more a matter of what people actually want...

mumbling laugh
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Jun 18, 2007 7:52 AM CST Stop the Clash
bajanblue
bajanbluebajanblueSpeightstown, Saint Peter Barbados344 Threads 1 Polls 3,724 Posts
There is always a point to sharing information. For everyone who chose to post there will be others who look and read and post nothing but check out the web site and pass it on to their friends. That is what matters
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Jun 18, 2007 7:59 AM CST Stop the Clash
Hennery
HenneryHenneryVentura, California USA31 Threads 855 Posts
blushing If it had been up to the people who do The Fighting, Dying as well as The Suffering, This Planet might never have ever invented the word or Atr of WAR!!! head banger


grin I am Nonviolent, thus I have no place among mortal men, WAR is created by The World BANKSTERS and the fund both sides, till all the fighters are dead, Then they fund the reconstruction...frustrated

So who really Won The WAR???


THE BANKSTES WON THE WAR!!!frustrated


mumbling Just like they always have...mumbling
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Jun 18, 2007 10:05 AM CST Stop the Clash
lorraine
lorrainelorraineDublin, Ireland104 Threads 2,717 Posts
yeah, i had a look and it is well worth looking at. It didn't change my views on anything because I already knew that muslums love their children just as much as we do in the west, and we are exploited just as much as they are.
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