Honesty What is it worth to you...???? ( Archived) (115)

Dec 30, 2007 6:11 PM CST Honesty What is it worth to you...????
EricKissesDeeply
EricKissesDeeplyEricKissesDeeplyThe Mountains, USA15 Threads 1 Polls 1,146 Posts
Yes hugz

it is...
and i never intended to post that...

i have no intentions of hurting anyone... but also have no intentions of being challenged on my honor.

I'am and always have been (it was instilled into me as a child) honest even when the subject was not happy or really wanted...

Im sorry for making this post and putting it more on a personal level...

But i was really trying to get some insight to my problem not hash my problem out in forums...

Eric
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Dec 30, 2007 6:11 PM CST Honesty What is it worth to you...????
Poetic
PoeticPoeticHeidelberg, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany6 Threads 3 Polls 255 Posts
even you love him with all you have?




I don´t want to know it...maybe I would think same as you...

you are right, there is no excuse...

when it happened just one time, I don´t want to hear about (!)

I have fear, that I show the same reaction as you ... but when it will happen often, then there is no love anymore between the couple...

...and they should go different ways...
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Dec 30, 2007 6:17 PM CST Honesty What is it worth to you...????
EricKissesDeeply
EricKissesDeeplyEricKissesDeeplyThe Mountains, USA15 Threads 1 Polls 1,146 Posts
thank you for your concern...
It really wasn't meant to be anything more than a question i wanted an answer to...

it is very personal.

And i really felt i was with my heart and found my soulmate...

Lets just leave it there... please i do not want to place blame... i just know what is in my heart.

and again i had no intentions for this to be more on a personal level.

in my anger and pain i answered a question i should have left alone...

im sorry i made it personal...

So please i want honest opinoins...
Not pity , or conselation just was wanting to know if my feelings were founded on this issue.

Thank you though so much for caring to try and solve the mystery i do not understand.
Eric
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Dec 30, 2007 6:23 PM CST Honesty What is it worth to you...????
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
You can't have ever loved that person...How can you love someone you claim you know so little about...If you don't believe they are who they are then you are really saying you don't know them at all.....You can't love without trust present...Trust and communication are the glue that holds a relationship together...Without those two things present your love is given in vain!!!!!!!!!


comfort hug hug
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Dec 30, 2007 6:30 PM CST Honesty What is it worth to you...????
kitty01
kitty01kitty01St. Albert, Alberta Canada244 Threads 1 Polls 5,310 Posts
If you have not done anything wrong, why does she think you have? For her to not believe you she must be scared that it is the truth what she heard or thought, and does not want it to be but have you reasure her that she has nothing to fear.
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Dec 30, 2007 6:46 PM CST Honesty What is it worth to you...????
Arlene101
Arlene101Arlene101Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia Canada9 Threads 3,320 Posts
Well Eric , my friend, I wish I knew the answer to that one. Since I have met you , I have seen nothing but, ERIC, just the way you are. I also take you the way you are. Love the honesty you have displayed in the past about not waning to get involved until you know SHE is the right woman. Sometimes , I can be so brutally honest, I am not believed. I feel your pain and I know you have to be hurting to lay it out like this and even openly display your affection. I hope things get straightened up, because she is losing someone damn good. Your Buddy.dunno comfort hug
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Dec 30, 2007 6:52 PM CST Honesty What is it worth to you...????
Eupho
EuphoEuphoWild Wild South West, England UK49 Threads 12 Polls 6,581 Posts
Yes even 'if I loved him with all I had'.

I would end it immediately..

I could NEVER ever be with someone I don't trust completely. I spent 10yrs of my life putting up with that..

and I would be long gone at the FIRST sign of it if it happened to me again..

I would rather cut my losses.. and hurt now.. than torture myself by trying to forgive something that has broken my heart.
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Dec 30, 2007 7:31 PM CST Honesty What is it worth to you...????
EricKissesDeeply
EricKissesDeeplyEricKissesDeeplyThe Mountains, USA15 Threads 1 Polls 1,146 Posts
Eupho,

You have been one of the first 3 people i ever talked to on CS.
I think we have made a friendlyship... lol

i have even expressed to you many honest things
and have recieved from you the same in turn.

I have no quarrels with anyone who would say waht they feel to me or about me.

But anyone who knows me (and you know what to expect) will be honest with me and know i will return with the same.

Again this thread was not posted to make enemies or to point anyone directly out...
And im sorry it came to that.

But i felt i had a viable question i wanted opinion about it.
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Dec 30, 2007 7:36 PM CST Honesty What is it worth to you...????
wendywindy
wendywindywendywindyOklahoma City, Oklahoma USA10 Threads 187 Posts
I would sacrifice everything for an honest man...
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Dec 30, 2007 7:39 PM CST Honesty What is it worth to you...????
Daniel4021
Daniel4021Daniel4021Somewhere, Tennessee USA157 Threads 8,986 Posts
Eric, if ther anything I can do to help let me know my friend...handshake
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Dec 30, 2007 7:54 PM CST Honesty What is it worth to you...????
alabamabebe
alabamabebealabamabebeBanks of the Warrior River, Alabama USA66 Threads 3 Polls 4,404 Posts
It's her problem, has nothing to do with you probably. Some of us have been lied to before, and it takes a lot to trust again.

I've found that I can trust and love another, because now I know I'm strong enough to endure if I am let down. Some people never get to that point. The fear makes their worst fears come true, if only in their mind.

The lesson is, you can't change another person. You can only change what you're doing. If you're doing everything right, keep on, it'll work when it's supposed to work. hug
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Dec 30, 2007 9:35 PM CST Honesty What is it worth to you...????
mime61
mime61mime61Summerville, SC, South Carolina USA10 Threads 1 Polls 339 Posts
thumbs up Listen to him!
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Dec 31, 2007 1:35 AM CST Honesty What is it worth to you...????
EricKissesDeeply
EricKissesDeeplyEricKissesDeeplyThe Mountains, USA15 Threads 1 Polls 1,146 Posts
Isn't it funny...
the one thing everybody wants.
Is not always what they can accept?

just another thought.

could one person ask another to believe in them if they could not return the offer?

Love is a very strong emotion... and would make people do many things they normaly would not do.

But when love becomes more prevailent than truth or faith is it really Love if the three are not all in one bundle... without either of the two can you really have love for another?
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Dec 31, 2007 1:48 AM CST Honesty What is it worth to you...????
EricKissesDeeply
EricKissesDeeplyEricKissesDeeplyThe Mountains, USA15 Threads 1 Polls 1,146 Posts
it amazes me how one could not ask a serious question from people whom opinions are valued.

and find that it may go off as a shot in the wrong direction.


I would still stay true and hold to my original post.

I Read it so many times...

I have done a thread asking this before, And found it was the Number one thing required for any relations.


Now i ask ,If you give your full honesty and hide nothing in your life...

And are told that nothing you say is believed and you are not trusted...

What do you think?

Could you or would you want to be close to someone who feels you are nothing But a liar and a player.... With no proof either exsists????
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Dec 31, 2007 2:11 AM CST Honesty What is it worth to you...????
EricKissesDeeply
EricKissesDeeplyEricKissesDeeplyThe Mountains, USA15 Threads 1 Polls 1,146 Posts
its not an attack or a mute point...
i honestly want to know how others feel about my question
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Dec 31, 2007 2:18 AM CST Honesty What is it worth to you...????
markmeunier
markmeuniermarkmeunierTimmins, Ontario Canada16 Threads 3 Polls 912 Posts
My friend what is perceived by the mind and heart and soul are often three different things entirely. Her heart is yours, her spirit as well but her mind is a thing of the world and as such has great inflection from the environment she has existed in. All of us carry some reminders of the things we learned whether nice or not. Do we still check to see if a fire is hot... no we assume because it burned us once it will do the same. Walking on ice early in the season is a good example here, those who have seen or experienced in some means what can happen are much more cautious than those who do not know.
Give it some time and be calm, there is great distance between both of you physically. Perhaps she says this to you as she felt something or was told something by another. Clarify your postion and that of your heart and wait to see how she perceives you then. We do not know what happened by any means as her side is yet unaccounted, and then there is the truth somewhere between the twain. Neither right nor wrong but just different perspectives of the same ideal. Patience my friend and just be yourself. She will realize that you are what you ay by staying true to your path with or without her. She will desire what you are as it will be what you were. Do not allow this to change you, for you or her.

Markangel
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Dec 31, 2007 2:41 AM CST Honesty What is it worth to you...????
rivame
rivamerivamemelbourne, Victoria Australia54 Threads 3 Polls 4,601 Posts
Eric...funny I was driving home tonight and thought about the honesty thing..

many people dont trust because of past experiences...

just as many dont trust because they themselves lie...

if you in your heart know the truth..

that is all that matters....

you are the only person you have to live with every day........
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Dec 31, 2007 2:43 AM CST Honesty What is it worth to you...????
EricKissesDeeply
EricKissesDeeplyEricKissesDeeplyThe Mountains, USA15 Threads 1 Polls 1,146 Posts
Thank You Mark...

I know your intentions are noble to try to help me see love is of great value...

I have no disagreements with that My Love is not handed out so easily with a mate.... but i do so freely with friends.

i speak on a different love not one for your neighbor... but one for the ONE who would be by your side always.

patients is not a strong point for me... but niether is distrust.. i trust in other without problems and give my trust openly.... but when those whom i offer this to will say to me they do not have it for me...

My heart... My love ... no matter how Great is meaningless to that person in my eyes. and when my heart sees no faith and trust and only feelings of being viewed as a deciever...


hypothetically if that will be accepted...

I find myself believing the love i thought was there never was.And if i believe something to be true;
and find another truth oppisite to that how should i view it any other way?

And if what others say to damage me in the eyes of one who would claim love to me... works out to be more believeable than my honesty then the choice has been made and i have no control over the decision... nor was i ever considered.

Eric
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Dec 31, 2007 2:50 AM CST Honesty What is it worth to you...????
EricKissesDeeply
EricKissesDeeplyEricKissesDeeplyThe Mountains, USA15 Threads 1 Polls 1,146 Posts
Rivame

i have always thought about truth and honesty... even as a child i was tuaght how the two will make a success from nothing or lack of a failure of everything.

Even my marriage was held successfully for 12 years and even though my wife did not have much to say in compliments ...she was freely honest and open about her complaints...
i never hated her for them nor did i hold them against her.

But in the end (after she left) she has had very few honest moments and i have watched her life spiral down to nothing...

i do believe in the end the only truth one really knows is that of thier own...

Hence my question...
if we know in our hearts we have told no lie to another...
Should we accept ,they do not believe a word that was said...nor have faith in us...
Should we feel like a love still abounds in thier heart?
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Dec 31, 2007 2:59 AM CST Honesty What is it worth to you...????
rivame
rivamerivamemelbourne, Victoria Australia54 Threads 3 Polls 4,601 Posts
I can only talk of my experience...

I was in a relationship where I was an open book and did no wrong...

He saw mistrust and betrayal in everything I did....

5 minutes late home from work...

phone calls from friends...

going into my exes house when I picked up or dropped of my daughter....

He made his mistrust my issue...

problem was...... it was never one I could solve...

In the end I had to get out...

for my survival....

there is endless wasted energy trying to prove something that doesnt exist......

or does exist.....hug
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