Obama for President,Too! (831)
voldollover the rainbow, Tennessee USA3 Threads 77 PostsAmen, and Amen!! I haven't made up my mind yet, but I know one thing for sure, I will not be voting for Obama if he is the candidate. I just read an article about Obama that convinced me that he thinks he is a miracle worker and he has a Pollyanna attitude.
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TTom50: Dude, on the post Katrina relief efforts.
You got it wrong. I saw Katrina that night before it hit. I have been through many Hurricanes here in Florida. I have never seen anything like this one. Estimate is that it hit with the force of 4 nuclear devices. I can believe that.
So you are saying why was the Federal assistance to the region slow in coming? The entire road net coming into the region was broken and flooded. Bridges were down, low swamp area alone the road net were flooded. Also Katrina was blowing inland keeping thier operations down. You don't put aircraft and helo up into 200 mph winds. Indeed you have move them out of the way, you cannot even have them on the ground in those forces. Katrina had thier heads down, Dude.So no road net, no air support.....means a slow response by the Federal agencies.,it sure isn't the Elephant.
ButAlso this is a major piece of the story, two democratic leaders held up the requests for aid from the Federal Gov't. Technically under our laws
here, the Federal Gov't cannot place troops into a state or city, unless
requested or invited to do so. They were slow in making the request for Federal assitance.
So I think that you are off here. jmo
You got it wrong. I saw Katrina that night before it hit. I have been through many Hurricanes here in Florida. I have never seen anything like this one. Estimate is that it hit with the force of 4 nuclear devices. I can believe that.
So you are saying why was the Federal assistance to the region slow in coming? The entire road net coming into the region was broken and flooded. Bridges were down, low swamp area alone the road net were flooded. Also Katrina was blowing inland keeping thier operations down. You don't put aircraft and helo up into 200 mph winds. Indeed you have move them out of the way, you cannot even have them on the ground in those forces. Katrina had thier heads down, Dude.So no road net, no air support.....means a slow response by the Federal agencies.,it sure isn't the Elephant.
ButAlso this is a major piece of the story, two democratic leaders held up the requests for aid from the Federal Gov't. Technically under our laws
here, the Federal Gov't cannot place troops into a state or city, unless
requested or invited to do so. They were slow in making the request for Federal assitance.
So I think that you are off here. jmo
Sat through a few of them myself,Andrew,Floyd and a few more,and the only thing you can do is stay put until the Blow is over.
But Corruption screwed New Orleans way before any of the Bushes got into the White House.
That Hurricane was just the Dot on the "I".
And everyone knows who are running those Wards,and it sure isn't the Elephant
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Hot_Single_Dude: what I mean by writng that is....solving the problems a bout terrorism and fanatism is easier than what the Bushneys telling it is....and not war is necessary. Communication is the key and nothing than the main key solving all that!....My point of meaning any way
I would surely and with no doubt being much omre intelligent or reiable or able or honest and sane than Mr Bush I am sure any way
I would surely and with no doubt being much omre intelligent or reiable or able or honest and sane than Mr Bush I am sure any way
Have you ever talked to someone holding a Gun on you,with the Intent to kill you if you do not deliver the Money the a**hole mistakenly thinks is there and tried to tell him why killing you isn't in his best Interest?
No?
Then don't make absurd statements about being able to negotiate with murdering Terrorists why they ought not to kill!!
You cannot "negotiate with someone that believes he hs the "Godgiven " "Right to kill you.
You put him down like any other Rabid Dog.
And don't try to turn the argument around to Bushney again.
Ain't gonna work,not with me.
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I didn't vote for Bush either!!! so don't call him "Your Bush" He acts like a Banty Rooster strutting around. I never have agreed with the Iraq war and I think Bush is war happy. I am not Republican or Democrat for that matter..I vote for the one I think can do the job, and so far, I don't see any of the candidates except for Hillary...MAYBE... I believe Obama THINKS he can move mountains or leap over tall buildings in a single bound. He has a multitude of people snowed and I'm just waiting to see his house of cards come tumbling down when he realizes that it AIN'T WHAT HE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE!!! He will have all of his advisors advising him how he should run the country because he has not had enough experience to do it alone. I am also anxious to see HOW he is going to make these sweeping changes he keeps talking about. The only change I see it could be is for a Democrat to take the presidency from the Republicans.
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AMERICA NEEDS A CHANGE.....
kinda looks like CS might need a bit of a tweak as well...
kinda looks like CS might need a bit of a tweak as well...
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Hot_Single_Dude: what I mean by writng that is....solving the problems a bout terrorism and fanatism is easier than what the Bushneys telling it is....and not war is necessary. Communication is the key and nothing than the main key solving all that!....My point of meaning any way
I would surely and with no doubt being much omre intelligent or reiable or able or honest and sane than Mr Bush I am sure any way
I would surely and with no doubt being much omre intelligent or reiable or able or honest and sane than Mr Bush I am sure any way
I think you have a case of Spitzeritis.
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And soon we will be back to discussing the downtrodden in America. Here's something of interest:
The Inequality Myth
By BRAD SCHILLER
March 10, 2008; Page A15
Class warfare is once again a campaign theme. The Democratic candidates are railing against the "tax cuts for the rich," lamenting the stagnation of middle-class incomes, and decrying the deepening woes of the poor. In her January response to President Bush's State of the Union address, Hillary Clinton cited "seven years of stagnant wages, declining incomes and increasing inequality." Barack Obama echoes this theme by referring repeatedly to the "middle-class squeeze."
Both candidates portray America as a nation where the fruits of economic progress have been usurped by corporate CEOs, equity-fund managers, inside traders and international speculators. Main Street has floundered, while Wall Street has flourished.
The annual release of census data on household incomes provides the foundation for the "two Americas" thesis. The latest figures tracked changes in incomes all the way back to 1967. Two observations grabbed the headlines. First, the data indicate that the top-earning 20% of households get half of all the income generated in the country, while the lowest-earning 20% of households get a meager 3.4%. That disparity has widened over time: In 1970, their respective shares were 43.3% and 4.1%. These income-share numbers buttress the popular notion that the "rich are getting richer while the poor are getting poorer."
The second observation in the Census reports relates to the well-being of the middle class. The median household income in 2006 was $48,201, just a trifle ahead of its 1998 level ($48,034). That seems to confirm middle-class stagnation.
While there is some substance to these fears of widening inequality and middle-class stagnation, the situation is not nearly as clear-cut. Demographic changes in the size and composition of U.S. households have distorted the statistics in important ways.
First, we can easily dismiss the notion that the poor are getting poorer. All the Census Bureau tells us is that the share of the pie consumed by the poor has been shrinking (to 3.4% in 2006 from 4.1% in 1970). But the "pie" has grown enormously. This year's real GDP of $14 trillion is three times that of 1970. So the absolute size of the slice received by the bottom 20% has increased to $476 billion from $181 billion. Allowing for population growth shows that the average income of people at the bottom of the income distribution has risen 36%.
They're not rich, but they're certainly not poorer.
The Inequality Myth
By BRAD SCHILLER
March 10, 2008; Page A15
Class warfare is once again a campaign theme. The Democratic candidates are railing against the "tax cuts for the rich," lamenting the stagnation of middle-class incomes, and decrying the deepening woes of the poor. In her January response to President Bush's State of the Union address, Hillary Clinton cited "seven years of stagnant wages, declining incomes and increasing inequality." Barack Obama echoes this theme by referring repeatedly to the "middle-class squeeze."
Both candidates portray America as a nation where the fruits of economic progress have been usurped by corporate CEOs, equity-fund managers, inside traders and international speculators. Main Street has floundered, while Wall Street has flourished.
The annual release of census data on household incomes provides the foundation for the "two Americas" thesis. The latest figures tracked changes in incomes all the way back to 1967. Two observations grabbed the headlines. First, the data indicate that the top-earning 20% of households get half of all the income generated in the country, while the lowest-earning 20% of households get a meager 3.4%. That disparity has widened over time: In 1970, their respective shares were 43.3% and 4.1%. These income-share numbers buttress the popular notion that the "rich are getting richer while the poor are getting poorer."
The second observation in the Census reports relates to the well-being of the middle class. The median household income in 2006 was $48,201, just a trifle ahead of its 1998 level ($48,034). That seems to confirm middle-class stagnation.
While there is some substance to these fears of widening inequality and middle-class stagnation, the situation is not nearly as clear-cut. Demographic changes in the size and composition of U.S. households have distorted the statistics in important ways.
First, we can easily dismiss the notion that the poor are getting poorer. All the Census Bureau tells us is that the share of the pie consumed by the poor has been shrinking (to 3.4% in 2006 from 4.1% in 1970). But the "pie" has grown enormously. This year's real GDP of $14 trillion is three times that of 1970. So the absolute size of the slice received by the bottom 20% has increased to $476 billion from $181 billion. Allowing for population growth shows that the average income of people at the bottom of the income distribution has risen 36%.
They're not rich, but they're certainly not poorer.
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Conrad73: Well,you and him might have gotten along well,seeing both of you are living in Dreamland!
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voldoll: I didn't vote for Bush either!!! so don't call him "Your Bush" He acts like a Banty Rooster strutting around. I never have agreed with the Iraq war and I think Bush is war happy. I am not Republican or Democrat for that matter..I vote for the one I think can do the job, and so far, I don't see any of the candidates except for Hillary...MAYBE... I believe Obama THINKS he can move mountains or leap over tall buildings in a single bound. He has a multitude of people snowed and I'm just waiting to see his house of cards come tumbling down when he realizes that it AIN'T WHAT HE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE!!! He will have all of his advisors advising him how he should run the country because he has not had enough experience to do it alone. I am also anxious to see HOW he is going to make these sweeping changes he keeps talking about. The only change I see it could be is for a Democrat to take the presidency from the Republicans.
Oh oak........your earler posts in here told you want McCain and that is also fair with me lady if it was the case.
Hillary ...well I hope the best one win
Tell me a bout her experinces as well or why her abilities are much more needed than Obama,s....I mean travelling around with her hub or sitting and listening to his speaches are those experiences at all? We all listened to his speaches..almost every single of those...are we all more experienced and entitled becoming the next president of America than Obama is? He has also listened to Clintons speaches you know?
Ok she is a woman and that makes some exciting changes in the White house of course and she is a bright woman as well I may say. But ....I hope she looses because No way she can win over McCain and that will be a major defeat for returning of the respect for civil rights of all americans in your country and beside the poor rest of us whom will have to suffor ofr four more years because of an old dude whom has had his life and therefor does not give a damn a bout others lives at all!
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I'm loving it:
JALALABAD, Afghanistan — Thousands of Afghan students chanted slogans and burned Danish and Dutch flags Sunday in the latest in a series of protests over perceived insults against Islam.
The protesters in the eastern city of Jalalabad denounced an upcoming Dutch film that reportedly criticizes Islam's holy book, the Koran. They also condemned Danish newspapers' recent republications of a cartoon that depicted the Prophet Muhammad wearing a bomb-shaped turban.
The several thousand demonstrators shouted slogans against Denmark and the Netherlands. They also chanted "Death to America" and "Long live Al Qaeda."
"We don't want Dutch and Danish forces in Afghanistan. If our government does not kick them out, we will continue our demonstrations until they leave Afghanistan," said one protester, university student Qari Ibrahim. "If these forces do not leave, we are prepared to carry out suicide attacks against them."
JALALABAD, Afghanistan — Thousands of Afghan students chanted slogans and burned Danish and Dutch flags Sunday in the latest in a series of protests over perceived insults against Islam.
The protesters in the eastern city of Jalalabad denounced an upcoming Dutch film that reportedly criticizes Islam's holy book, the Koran. They also condemned Danish newspapers' recent republications of a cartoon that depicted the Prophet Muhammad wearing a bomb-shaped turban.
The several thousand demonstrators shouted slogans against Denmark and the Netherlands. They also chanted "Death to America" and "Long live Al Qaeda."
"We don't want Dutch and Danish forces in Afghanistan. If our government does not kick them out, we will continue our demonstrations until they leave Afghanistan," said one protester, university student Qari Ibrahim. "If these forces do not leave, we are prepared to carry out suicide attacks against them."
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Indyfella: You need to get a better quality of weed....I think the stuff you're smoking is really having side effects.
So if one terrorist is killed by America, then 2 more will pop up. Is that how it works? I'm curious?
So if one terrorist is killed by America, then 2 more will pop up. Is that how it works? I'm curious?
Not only one Indy...at least ten more and I bet you a bout that pal! People are not from bushes and trees you know? they have families , friends, collegs....people are not chickens and pigs you understand? People are people ....they are as human beings as you and I ......but of course they are on the other side and that has made us enemies unfortunatily....
They all love some one and some one loves them....when this war kills there will be more people taking a desicion a bout Revenge and some of those they just going a head and killing more!
Do you think when a terrorist is killed then it is over and out? You are absoloutely worng a bout this but that does not surprise me at all.....have been reading a lot from your point of views Indyfella.
Killings ....results in more killings and beside people whom do not care a bout their lives at all when it counts can not be stopped no matter how huge the military machine is! Remember America almost lost the war a gainst the Japaneese because of their Cameecaze pilots? They were easy to "see" and shoot down but this time the matter is much more complicated. Actually the poor Japaneese were promissed negotiations but they were bombed with atom bombs...a true shame the president ordered that massacre of inoncents was a democrat :-(
It is absoloutely difficult to stop those whom have no fear loosing own lives and therfor there is a need a true need for begining to stop the reasons why terrorists becoming terrorists.....it is time to listen even to your own intelligent agencies and accepting that wars has created a lot more terrorism in world and this is why Obama will be the best one strating a new wawe of policy in your country and internationally as well I beleive.
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To TT: Point taken 
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Indyfella: Actually, another 1/2 million terrorist being killed would be fine with me. It's a shame we don't do the beheading thing...but that'd be against the Geneva Convention and we wouldn't do that~~~Guess we could whip and stone POW's....that seems to be fine with everyone.
Athough, a good bath in pork blood isn't inhumane
So, because America responded to 9/11, it created more terrorist, you say. I'm trying to think of a good response. Maybe a group hug with them? JMO~ as always
Athough, a good bath in pork blood isn't inhumane
So, because America responded to 9/11, it created more terrorist, you say. I'm trying to think of a good response. Maybe a group hug with them? JMO~ as always
It is not only Me saying this Indyfella.....But the whole oganisation of intelligence in your own country saying the same thing as well! Read things which not sweets your private point of view as well I suggest then you will know bwtter!
America has responded of course America dida that....but in a too devistated and in a wrong way! Afghanistan was the place you know? Iraq was destroyed because your president thought revenge cause Saddam "Maybe" wanted to assisinate his dad! And because Iraq has the worlds second oild reserves as well......Your president thought" Business" and his business thinking killed people Indy.......
Your president dreamed holding Saddams personal weapon in his hand and he did......he felt as Napeleon Benaparte I am certain but his actions has created hell on earht for all of us! thanks god it is soon over this dark periode in human history..... Really thank god!
American "respons" has killed more than a million at least "A MILLION" every body knows....Enough is enough Even you must think that some times when you have a good day.....no?
Wom made you think human beings are pigs Indyfella?
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Hot_Single_Dude: Not only one Indy...at least ten more and I bet you a bout that pal! People are not from bushes and trees you know? they have families , friends, collegs....people are not chickens and pigs you understand? People are people ....they are as human beings as you and I ......but of course they are on the other side and that has made us enemies unfortunatily....
They all love some one and some one loves them....when this war kills there will be more people taking a desicion a bout Revenge and some of those they just going a head and killing more!
Do you think when a terrorist is killed then it is over and out? You are absoloutely worng a bout this but that does not surprise me at all.....have been reading a lot from your point of views Indyfella.
Killings ....results in more killings and beside people whom do not care a bout their lives at all when it counts can not be stopped no matter how huge the military machine is! Remember America almost lost the war a gainst the Japaneese because of their Cameecaze pilots? They were easy to "see" and shoot down but this time the matter is much more complicated. Actually the poor Japaneese were promissed negotiations but they were bombed with atom bombs...a true shame the president ordered that massacre of inoncents was a democrat :-(
It is absoloutely difficult to stop those whom have no fear loosing own lives and therfor there is a need a true need for begining to stop the reasons why terrorists becoming terrorists.....it is time to listen even to your own intelligent agencies and accepting that wars has created a lot more terrorism in world and this is why Obama will be the best one strating a new wawe of policy in your country and internationally as well I beleive.
They all love some one and some one loves them....when this war kills there will be more people taking a desicion a bout Revenge and some of those they just going a head and killing more!
Do you think when a terrorist is killed then it is over and out? You are absoloutely worng a bout this but that does not surprise me at all.....have been reading a lot from your point of views Indyfella.
Killings ....results in more killings and beside people whom do not care a bout their lives at all when it counts can not be stopped no matter how huge the military machine is! Remember America almost lost the war a gainst the Japaneese because of their Cameecaze pilots? They were easy to "see" and shoot down but this time the matter is much more complicated. Actually the poor Japaneese were promissed negotiations but they were bombed with atom bombs...a true shame the president ordered that massacre of inoncents was a democrat :-(
It is absoloutely difficult to stop those whom have no fear loosing own lives and therfor there is a need a true need for begining to stop the reasons why terrorists becoming terrorists.....it is time to listen even to your own intelligent agencies and accepting that wars has created a lot more terrorism in world and this is why Obama will be the best one strating a new wawe of policy in your country and internationally as well I beleive.
If we follow your logic, then even Danes will become terrorists at some point in the future. If you follow the theory that for every terrorist killed, 2 are created?
I think the negotiations with the Japanese went quite well in WW2. I'm sure Danes didn't like the idea of the U.S. winning in WW2, though.
As far as those terrorists who have no fear of losing their lives, at least for the next 6 months, the U.S. will feel obligated to assist
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Hot_Single_Dude:
Killings ....results in more killings and beside people whom do not care a bout their lives at all when it counts can not be stopped no matter how huge the military machine is! Remember America almost lost the war a gainst the Japaneese because of their Cameecaze pilots? They were easy to "see" and shoot down but this time the matter is much more complicated. Actually the poor Japaneese were promissed negotiations but they were bombed with atom bombs...a true shame the president ordered that massacre of inoncents was a democrat :-(
Killings ....results in more killings and beside people whom do not care a bout their lives at all when it counts can not be stopped no matter how huge the military machine is! Remember America almost lost the war a gainst the Japaneese because of their Cameecaze pilots? They were easy to "see" and shoot down but this time the matter is much more complicated. Actually the poor Japaneese were promissed negotiations but they were bombed with atom bombs...a true shame the president ordered that massacre of inoncents was a democrat :-(
Veery interesting,but quite inaccurate.
The Japanese approached Russia about a possible Truce with the Allies,since Russia was at that Time NOT at War with Japan.
However,Stalin conveniently forgot to tell the Americans about it,since he had some design on the Kurilles and Sakhalin before the War was over.
After the dropping of the Nuclear Devices,Russia declared War on Japan and occupied the aforementioned Islands.
The US did not know that the Japanese were ready to surrender,before dropping those Devices!
Get your Facts straight
And the Kamikaze were not a Factor in the War.
Had nothing to do with the US losing or winning.
Facts my Friend
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Conrad73: Veery interesting,but quite inaccurate.
The Japanese approached Russia about a possible Truce with the Allies,since Russia was at that Time NOT at War with Japan.
However,Stalin conveniently forgot to tell the Americans about it,since he had some design on the Kurilles and Sakhalin before the War was over.
After the dropping of the Nuclear Devices,Russia declared War on Japan and occupied the aforementioned Islands.
The US did not know that the Japanese were ready to surrender,before dropping those Devices!
Get your Facts straight
And the Kamikaze were not a Factor in the War.
Had nothing to do with the US losing or winning.
Facts my Friend
The Japanese approached Russia about a possible Truce with the Allies,since Russia was at that Time NOT at War with Japan.
However,Stalin conveniently forgot to tell the Americans about it,since he had some design on the Kurilles and Sakhalin before the War was over.
After the dropping of the Nuclear Devices,Russia declared War on Japan and occupied the aforementioned Islands.
The US did not know that the Japanese were ready to surrender,before dropping those Devices!
Get your Facts straight
And the Kamikaze were not a Factor in the War.
Had nothing to do with the US losing or winning.
Facts my Friend
I bet America would loose big because of the Kamikazes and if not America had dropped atom bombs it would be really difficult winning the war. Japan had a major peoblem a bout fuel for its war planes and so on but they were really brave fighters and absoloutely difficult to defeat I think.
There has been some news a bout the surrender of Japan in News lately and I heard that some people claim that Japaneese when they became aware of the existens of the Atom bomb decided to surrender but the desicion a bout dropping the bombs was already taken by Truman so they were dropped any way.
If these new information a bout how the second world war really ended are right we will both hearing more and if not then I am wrong of course.
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Hot_Single_Dude: I bet America would loose big because of the Kamikazes and if not America had dropped atom bombs it would be really difficult winning the war. Japan had a major peoblem a bout fuel for its war planes and so on but they were really brave fighters and absoloutely difficult to defeat I think.
There has been some news a bout the surrender of Japan in News lately and I heard that some people claim that Japaneese when they became aware of the existens of the Atom bomb decided to surrender but the desicion a bout dropping the bombs was already taken by Truman so they were dropped any way.
If these new information a bout how the second world war really ended are right we will both hearing more and if not then I am wrong of course.
There has been some news a bout the surrender of Japan in News lately and I heard that some people claim that Japaneese when they became aware of the existens of the Atom bomb decided to surrender but the desicion a bout dropping the bombs was already taken by Truman so they were dropped any way.
If these new information a bout how the second world war really ended are right we will both hearing more and if not then I am wrong of course.
Fair enough!
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Hot_Single_Dude: I bet America would loose big because of the Kamikazes and if not America had dropped atom bombs it would be really difficult winning the war. Japan had a major peoblem a bout fuel for its war planes and so on but they were really brave fighters and absoloutely difficult to defeat I think.
There has been some news a bout the surrender of Japan in News lately and I heard that some people claim that Japaneese when they became aware of the existens of the Atom bomb decided to surrender but the desicion a bout dropping the bombs was already taken by Truman so they were dropped any way.
If these new information a bout how the second world war really ended are right we will both hearing more and if not then I am wrong of course.
There has been some news a bout the surrender of Japan in News lately and I heard that some people claim that Japaneese when they became aware of the existens of the Atom bomb decided to surrender but the desicion a bout dropping the bombs was already taken by Truman so they were dropped any way.
If these new information a bout how the second world war really ended are right we will both hearing more and if not then I am wrong of course.
I've not noted Japan stirring up much crap in the last 50 years~~~ just an observation~~~ And...we did help them rebuild their economy~
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and they talk about estrogen levels...testosterone is flying everywhere jmo
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prncss4someone: and they talk about estrogen levels...testosterone is flying everywhere jmo
Just observations.....
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