Obama for President,Too! (831)
Indyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 PostsThanks for the affirmation 
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Never slow pitch to me. I'll bat it out of the ballpark
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rwantin: <Scribbles notes>...."Do NOT talk politics...."
Oh, you're not getting off THAT easy, Mr.
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Indyfella: Thanks for the affirmation
Sometimes we just have to look at reality and laugh...
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spiceygamble: Oh, you're not getting off THAT easy, Mr.
Religeon and politics.......gotta love it
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Indyfella: Thanks for the affirmation
It absotively and Posilutely boggles the Mind.
I'd like to slap the Piss out of some of his Teachers.
They ought to hand in their Certificates,provided they've ever earned one.
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Indyfella: Never slow pitch to me. I'll bat it out of the ballpark
Bush has us in a recession, how do you like the cost of food these days? Worry that! That must hit you were it hurts....the wallet.
I checked your profile to see how old you are. You are old enough in years to know that everyone can be humbled.
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FYI Swarztcoff is a Democrat
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Not sure about Darth Rydar.....but you might check in Cosh blogs and postings and find him there.
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opalbeauty: I'm sorry TT, this is hard for me to follow. I 'm not trying to insult you.
I just don't know what you mean by
"End result...no big deal whether you have 4049 deligates or 2700 deligates."
I understand it better from reading this...
To become the Democratic nominee for president, a candidate has to be nominated by a majority of delegates attending the Democratic National Convention in Denver, Colorado, in August 2008...
What types of Democratic delegates are there?
"The Democratic Party has two types of delegates: Pledged and superdelegates.
Out of the total number of delegates, 3,253 are pledged. A pledged delegate is elected or chosen on the state and local level with the understanding that they will support a particular candidate at the convention.
However, pledged delegates are not actually bound to vote for the candidate. Consequently, candidates are allowed on a state-by-state basis to review lists of delegates who have pledged their support and can delete anyone whose support they consider unreliable.
Superdelegates [created in 1982] comprise 796 out of the total 4,049 delegates. Superdelegates are usually Democratic members of Congress, governors, national committee members or party leaders (such as former presidents and vice presidents). They are not required to indicate a preference for a candidate, nor do they compete for the privilege like pledged delegates..."
[Read a complete list of the 2008 Superdelegates]
How are Democratic delegates awarded after a primary or caucus is held?
"The Democratic Party uses proportional representation to decide how many pledged delegates are awarded to each candidate.
For instance, a candidate who wins 40 percent of the vote in a state's primary would essentially win 40 percent of that state's pledged delegates. A second-place finisher in that primary who wins 30 percent of the vote essentially gets 30 percent of the pledged delegates.
However, a candidate has to receive at least 15 percent of the vote to get any pledged delegates...
There is no official process to win superdelegates because they can vote for whomever they please. But a candidate can use whatever powers of persuasion they have at their disposal to win the support of a superdelegate."
I just don't know what you mean by
"End result...no big deal whether you have 4049 deligates or 2700 deligates."
I understand it better from reading this...
To become the Democratic nominee for president, a candidate has to be nominated by a majority of delegates attending the Democratic National Convention in Denver, Colorado, in August 2008...
What types of Democratic delegates are there?
"The Democratic Party has two types of delegates: Pledged and superdelegates.
Out of the total number of delegates, 3,253 are pledged. A pledged delegate is elected or chosen on the state and local level with the understanding that they will support a particular candidate at the convention.
However, pledged delegates are not actually bound to vote for the candidate. Consequently, candidates are allowed on a state-by-state basis to review lists of delegates who have pledged their support and can delete anyone whose support they consider unreliable.
Superdelegates [created in 1982] comprise 796 out of the total 4,049 delegates. Superdelegates are usually Democratic members of Congress, governors, national committee members or party leaders (such as former presidents and vice presidents). They are not required to indicate a preference for a candidate, nor do they compete for the privilege like pledged delegates..."
[Read a complete list of the 2008 Superdelegates]
How are Democratic delegates awarded after a primary or caucus is held?
"The Democratic Party uses proportional representation to decide how many pledged delegates are awarded to each candidate.
For instance, a candidate who wins 40 percent of the vote in a state's primary would essentially win 40 percent of that state's pledged delegates. A second-place finisher in that primary who wins 30 percent of the vote essentially gets 30 percent of the pledged delegates.
However, a candidate has to receive at least 15 percent of the vote to get any pledged delegates...
There is no official process to win superdelegates because they can vote for whomever they please. But a candidate can use whatever powers of persuasion they have at their disposal to win the support of a superdelegate."
Proportionality begins prior to the primaries.
When each party takes the number of deligate to be sat...divides that into thier total regisered voter roles. From that they then can assign the number of deligate to each state that is being determined in the primary.
Pretty simple, yes? Has been tested in the courts...courts says that it fair to voter.
Dem use the 4025 less the super diligate as their number.
Then divide that number into the total number of register Dem voter across the country. Then divide that number into the total number of
Dem voter registered in the state......that gives you the assigned number of deligates to that state. Super deligate assignment askew the formula and the seating by state....because some states will get more super diligate assignments.....and others don't.
Republican don't have super deligates and have choosen a different number to seat. So only real difference is this. A Dem deligate might 'represent' say 50,000 Dem voters. A Rep deligate might represent say 75,000 Rep voters. But each and every deligate (with the exception of the super diligates) represents the same number of voters in the convention. I am not sure of those figures.
But see the fairness to proportionality?
I also mentioned that each state varies to whether a winner gets all or only the percentage of the deligates. We are just using the different terms to say the same thing here.
You do it just about any othe way, according to the court rulings on this and it is unfair....if you have problem with proportionality.....your next stop is with a court. Argue it there.
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opalbeauty: hmmm, tell us something interesting. Tell us about the political system in Isreal.
Isreal has problems with its system for a couple of reasons. When it was formed as a state....they could not decide on whether they wanted a 'pure' democratic model or more 'traditional' parlimentary model.
So they mixed. Trying to take what they saw as the best of each.
Doing so they also got the some of the worst of each model.
It is hard for them...partly because of the far differences between left and right of thier parties...to make up a majority after an election. Also because they have a number of small parties, making a majority is hard to do.
They were afraid at the beginning to give any one executive position
enough power to really control both military and administrative sides of gov't. This has lead to a lot of rule by committee, where each party is seating representatives on key committees.
On the other side of the coin. They run fair elections to the letter of law. Have tried to open the process to Palestines that live within the
country at times. Some time in the future, I suspect you will see a
Palestine party within Isreal...a minority party yes. But there to represent the Palestine living in Isreal.
But everytime a bombing occurs, it get easy for the right hard liners to veto this in thier Congress, the Kinset?.
Isreal strength often is with that one leader.....Moshe' Dyan, Golda Mier, Ben Guirrun, and others that step from a position within the government and its committees to recognize a threat, then to meet the threat with a either military operations or diplomatic efforts. Isreal has excellent intelligence gathering around the world.
They are very open to letting that occur, by the way. If you see problem on the horizon for the country.....bring it to the committees where all these different parties are represented.....then usually it falls into your lap to solve the problem. But now you have support from most of the parties and people of the country to do so. So in that sense it works. In day to day operation of gov't at peace, its is a cumbersome system. But they have not had much of that over thier history as a country.
Thanks for asking the question.
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Hillary is releasing her documents today of where she went and what she did when Bill was in office-to prove that she can lead the country
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Where's the tax info she's supposed to share....????
this is getting so pathetic that it is actually starting to be funny!
............ .................... Where's the tax info she's supposed to share....???? this is getting so pathetic that it is actually starting to be funny!
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Hot_Single_Dude: Gosh you look hot!!!!!!!!!Lucky Cat in deed I may say
Thank you...
You're sweet to say so.
Enjoy your thread!
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TTom50: Proportionality begins prior to the primaries.
When each party takes the number of deligate to be sat...divides that into thier total regisered voter roles. From that they then can assign the number of deligate to each state that is being determined in the primary.
Pretty simple, yes? Has been tested in the courts...courts says that it fair to voter.
Dem use the 4025 less the super diligate as their number.
Then divide that number into the total number of register Dem voter across the country. Then divide that number into the total number of
Dem voter registered in the state......that gives you the assigned number of deligates to that state. Super deligate assignment askew the formula and the seating by state....because some states will get more super diligate assignments.....and others don't.
Republican don't have super deligates and have choosen a different number to seat. So only real difference is this. A Dem deligate might 'represent' say 50,000 Dem voters. A Rep deligate might represent say 75,000 Rep voters. But each and every deligate (with the exception of the super diligates) represents the same number of voters in the convention. I am not sure of those figures.
But see the fairness to proportionality?
I also mentioned that each state varies to whether a winner gets all or only the percentage of the deligates. We are just using the different terms to say the same thing here.
You do it just about any othe way, according to the court rulings on this and it is unfair....if you have problem with proportionality.....your next stop is with a court. Argue it there.
When each party takes the number of deligate to be sat...divides that into thier total regisered voter roles. From that they then can assign the number of deligate to each state that is being determined in the primary.
Pretty simple, yes? Has been tested in the courts...courts says that it fair to voter.
Dem use the 4025 less the super diligate as their number.
Then divide that number into the total number of register Dem voter across the country. Then divide that number into the total number of
Dem voter registered in the state......that gives you the assigned number of deligates to that state. Super deligate assignment askew the formula and the seating by state....because some states will get more super diligate assignments.....and others don't.
Republican don't have super deligates and have choosen a different number to seat. So only real difference is this. A Dem deligate might 'represent' say 50,000 Dem voters. A Rep deligate might represent say 75,000 Rep voters. But each and every deligate (with the exception of the super diligates) represents the same number of voters in the convention. I am not sure of those figures.
But see the fairness to proportionality?
I also mentioned that each state varies to whether a winner gets all or only the percentage of the deligates. We are just using the different terms to say the same thing here.
You do it just about any othe way, according to the court rulings on this and it is unfair....if you have problem with proportionality.....your next stop is with a court. Argue it there.
Okay, I understand how the delegates are divided based on the percentage of votes they win or porportionally but the fact still remains that they need 2025 delegates to win the primaries. I don't think the majority of Americans even know that and many don't even know when the primaries are being held in their state. I was just confused by the way you were explaining it. Go Obama Go!!!!
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opalbeauty: Okay, I understand how the delegates are divided based on the percentage of votes they win or porportionally but the fact still remains that they need 2025 delegates to win the primaries. I don't think the majority of Americans even know that and many don't even know when the primaries are being held in their state. I was just confused by the way you were explaining it. Go Obama Go!!!!
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AMERICA IS READY FOR A CHANGE.......
we will or we can, I keep forgetting....
we will or we can, I keep forgetting....
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prncss4someone: apparently they know it now as they are coming out in droves to vote in the primaries....
Hot single dude pointed out that McCain recieved 7,000,000 votes in the primaries that is not exactly coming out in droves. I am sure he will get many more in the general election.
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opalbeauty: Okay, I understand how the delegates are divided based on the percentage of votes they win or porportionally but the fact still remains that they need 2025 delegates to win the primaries. I don't think the majority of Americans even know that and many don't even know when the primaries are being held in their state. I was just confused by the way you were explaining it. Go Obama Go!!!!
I will also add that the Democrat nomimee process uses voter registration in each state for the past three years.
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