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Apr 4, 2008 1:08 AM CST Obama’s Communist Mentor
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
By Cliff Kincaid | February 18, 2008
Accuracy In Media


In his biography of Barack Obama, David Mendell writes about Obama's life as a "secret smoker" and how he "went to great lengths to conceal the habit." But what about Obama's secret political life? It turns out that Obama's childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a communist.

In his books, Obama admits attending "socialist conferences" and coming into contact with Marxist literature. But he ridicules the charge of being a "hard-core academic Marxist," which was made by his colorful and outspoken 2004 U.S. Senate opponent, Republican Alan Keyes.

However, through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his "poetry" and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just "Frank."

The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What's more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several communist-front organizations.

Trevor Loudon, a New Zealand-based libertarian activist, researcher and blogger, noted evidence that "Frank" was Frank Marshall Davis in a posting in March of 2007.

Obama's communist connection adds to mounting public concern about a candidate who has come out of virtually nowhere, with a brief U.S. Senate legislative record, to become the Democratic Party frontrunner for the U.S. presidency. In the latest Real Clear Politics poll average, Obama beats Republican John McCain by almost four percentage points.

AIM recently disclosed that Obama has well-documented socialist connections, which help explain why he sponsored a "Global Poverty Act" designed to send hundreds of billions of dollars of U.S. foreign aid to the rest of the world, in order to meet U.N. demands. The bill has passed the House and a Senate committee, and awaits full Senate action.

But the Communist Party connection through Davis is even more ominous. Decades ago, the CPUSA had tens of thousands of members, some of them covert agents who had penetrated the U.S. Government. It received secret subsidies from the old Soviet Union.

You won't find any of this discussed in the David Mendell book, Obama: From Promise to Power. It is typical of the superficial biographies of Obama now on the market. Secret smoking seems to be Obama's most controversial activity. At best, Mendell and the liberal media describe Obama as "left-leaning."

But you will find it briefly discussed, sort of, in Obama's own book, Dreams From My Father. He writes about "a poet named Frank," who visited them in Hawaii, read poetry, and was full of "hard-earned knowledge" and advice. Who was Frank? Obama only says that he had "some modest notoriety once," was "a contemporary of Richard Wright and Langston Hughes during his years in Chicago..." but was now "pushing eighty." He writes about "Frank and his old Black Power dashiki self" giving him advice before he left for Occidental College in 1979 at the age of 18.
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Apr 4, 2008 1:09 AM CST Obama’s Communist Mentor
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
This "Frank" is none other than Frank Marshall Davis, the black communist writer now considered by some to be in the same category of prominence as Maya Angelou and Alice Walker. In the summer/fall 2003 issue of African American Review, James A. Miller of George Washington University reviews a book by John Edgar Tidwell, a professor at the University of Kansas, about Davis's career, and notes, "In Davis's case, his political commitments led him to join the American Communist Party during the middle of World War II-even though he never publicly admitted his Party membership." Tidwell is an expert on the life and writings of Davis.

Is it possible that Obama did not know who Davis was when he wrote his book, Dreams From My Father, first published in 1995? That's not plausible since Obama refers to him as a contemporary of Richard Wright and Langston Hughes and says he saw a book of his black poetry.

The communists knew who "Frank" was, and they know who Obama is. In fact, one academic who travels in communist circles understands the significance of the Davis-Obama relationship.

You may read the rest of the article here:


NOW, before everyone gets mad at me and tries to bash me. I have given you the website, the author, and telling you my search engine was "All the Internet" which pulled 2,410 search results for this title.
I found the article intensly interesting. Many have stated that they have a bad feeling about this guy. I feel that we, being responsible voters, should research the candidates as much as possible. Our futures are at stake here, our very lives. All the cards need to be laid on the table. This is food for thought. The article says it is true. The website is supposed to be reliable. Reuters quoted them. I do not know, personally, but I did research the source. I am shocked to find this kind of information connected to this man. Does anyone else have knowledge of this?
HL
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Apr 4, 2008 1:24 AM CST Obama’s Communist Mentor
rasgumby
rasgumbyrasgumbyMoberly, Missouri USA99 Threads 10 Polls 4,665 Posts
Bush knows nothing of other cultures, This is a lot of the reason he has no luck talking to other countries,, He is such an Idiot that he refuses to even talk to most other Leaders.

Obama on the other hand has a much better understanding of many other cultures and how others think,
This is an HUGE asset!

Myself.. I have never been surrounded by friends that all like each other. or understand each other.

How can our President effectively communicate and work with Other Countries if they have absolutely no understanding of them?

A Muslim cummunist??confused rolling on the floor laughing
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Apr 4, 2008 1:50 AM CST Obama’s Communist Mentor
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
What I gather from this is that he knew a guy that was a communist 60 some odd years ago.

Does this mean something?confused
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Apr 4, 2008 2:03 AM CST Obama’s Communist Mentor
rasgumby
rasgumbyrasgumbyMoberly, Missouri USA99 Threads 10 Polls 4,665 Posts
I have a friend that is Chatholic, one that is jewish, one that is pegan and another that is Atheist and a few black friends.

OMG.. That makes me an jewish pegan chatholic athiest black manprofessor wink
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Apr 4, 2008 2:04 AM CST Obama’s Communist Mentor
Aries01
Aries01Aries01Kent, England UK47 Threads 4 Polls 2,732 Posts
Communism has served its time... it didn't work, and there is plenty of evidence to show that..the only countries that remain under the control of communism in the present day are those still under the grip of Dictatorship (and those at this stage are very few if not nil) I have no feelings on Obama either way but this hypothesis is ridiculous...no western influenced, educatated, sane!! person would entertain such notions.. JMV

cheers
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Apr 4, 2008 2:07 AM CST Obama’s Communist Mentor
spiceygamble
spiceygamblespiceygambleNola, Louisiana USA36 Threads 3 Polls 4,493 Posts
rasgumby: Bush knows nothing of other cultures, This is a lot of the reason he has no luck talking to other countries. He is such an Idiot that he refuses to even talk to most other Leaders.

Obama on the other hand has a much better understanding of many other cultures and how others think,
This is an HUGE asset!

Myself.. I have never been surrounded by friends that all like each other. or understand each other.

How can our President effectively communicate and work with Other Countries if they have absolutely no understanding of them?

A Muslim communist??


For once I agree. (...yeah Wobbert, I did just say that)
Study of culture for someone who intends the presidency is what rounds out their skills.... provided this is the case & not mere speculation from a jaded fact gathering committee.
The more the communist system is vilified rather than studied & understood from a fundamental level, the more we all stand to lose.
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Apr 4, 2008 2:13 AM CST Obama’s Communist Mentor
Aries01
Aries01Aries01Kent, England UK47 Threads 4 Polls 2,732 Posts
rasgumby: I could see it in your eyes!
rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing

U know what they say about the eyes wink

laugh

cheers
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Apr 4, 2008 2:14 AM CST Obama’s Communist Mentor
spiceygamble
spiceygamblespiceygambleNola, Louisiana USA36 Threads 3 Polls 4,493 Posts
Aries01: Communism has served its time... it didn't work, and there is plenty of evidence to show that..the only countries that remain under the control of communism in the present day are those still under the grip of Dictatorship (and those at this stage are very few if not nil) I have no feelings on Obama either way but this hypothesis is ridiculous...no western influenced, educatated, sane!! person would entertain such notions.. JMV


Actually, are you aware that there are currently countries that have democratically voted communism for their countries?
In Cyprus, the Progressive Party of Working People won the 2008 presidential election, & in
Moldova the Party of Communists of the Republic of Moldova has governed the country since 2001... both by democratic elections.

wink
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Apr 4, 2008 2:18 AM CST Obama’s Communist Mentor
Aries01
Aries01Aries01Kent, England UK47 Threads 4 Polls 2,732 Posts
spiceygamble: Actually, are you aware that there are currently countries that have democratically voted communism for their countries?
In Cyprus, the Progressive Party of Working People won the 2008 presidential election, & in
Moldova the Party of Communists of the Republic of Moldova has governed the country since 2001... both by democratic elections.


No.. I wasn't.. thanks for that... I am not always properly versed on these things.. I still feel though that history has shown, on numerous occasions that communism doesn't work... it is all great.. idealistic in theory but fails to regard the human element, and drive... this historically has needed control and force to keep it in place.. not good in my book...

But thanks will look that one up.. how is it working in these countries?.. also 'socialism' as opposed to 'pure socialism' i.e. Communism.... I would consider myself a socialist and welcome it

cheers
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Apr 4, 2008 2:23 AM CST Obama’s Communist Mentor
rasgumby
rasgumbyrasgumbyMoberly, Missouri USA99 Threads 10 Polls 4,665 Posts
Nuns live in a commune! wouldn't that make them communist?confused
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Apr 4, 2008 4:01 AM CST Obama’s Communist Mentor
kj12345
kj12345kj12345Taipei, Taiwan37 Posts
When you try to smear somebody, you inevitably get it on your own hands. In your case, it already was before you started.

"Accuracy In Media" (AIM)? The same group which created a site called "What Liberals Say"? Your argument is as morally empty as theirs.

Major payers for AIM propaganda are Mobil Oil, Union Carbide and Texaco. That, as well as pro-Joe McCarthy supporters of which AIM is itself.

For those reading this who are intellectually honest, read Media Matters and FAIR if you want unbiased fact checking with no allegiance to any particular political party.


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Apr 4, 2008 4:15 AM CST Obama’s Communist Mentor
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
rasgumby: I have a friend that is Chatholic, one that is jewish, one that is pegan and another that is Atheist and a few black friends.

OMG.. That makes me an jewish pegan chatholic athiest black man
thumbs up laugh
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Apr 4, 2008 4:24 AM CST Obama’s Communist Mentor
Manolito
ManolitoManolitoa strfilled galaxy far faraway, Greater London, England UK19 Threads 1 Polls 1,611 Posts
rasgumby: Bush knows nothing of other cultures, This is a lot of the reason he has no luck talking to other countries,, He is such an Idiot that he refuses to even talk to most other Leaders.
Obama on the other hand has a much better understanding of many other cultures and how others think,
This is an HUGE asset!

Myself.. I have never been surrounded by friends that all like each other. or understand each other.

How can our President effectively communicate and work with Other Countries if they have absolutely no understanding of them?

A Muslim cummunist??


He is really a shamefull example for an American and also the main reason why many people around the world do not have a good image for Americans.

He made another fool of himself yesterday, here in Bucharest (Nato summit) when he Refused to talk to the Greek Leader (and others)!!! because he didnt agree with Greece's positions on the Macedonian dispute! The Greeks vetoed the NATO enlargement btw...

He does this things, and he opens his mouth letting out rediculously ignorant - i would dare say childish - statements about matters that are very very sensitive and complex. It's a shame, because America deserves so much better than this...
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Apr 4, 2008 4:48 AM CST Obama’s Communist Mentor
Manolito
ManolitoManolitoa strfilled galaxy far faraway, Greater London, England UK19 Threads 1 Polls 1,611 Posts
Aries01: No.. I wasn't.. thanks for that... I am not always properly versed on these things.. I still feel though that history has shown, on numerous occasions that communism doesn't work... it is all great.. idealistic in theory but fails to regard the human element, and drive... this historically has needed control and force to keep it in place.. not good in my book...

But thanks will look that one up.. how is it working in these countries?.. also 'socialism' as opposed to 'pure socialism' i.e. Communism.... I would consider myself a socialist and welcome it


When discussing this things, one needs to take into account where each of the oppinioners live. Because a "leftist" in America or the OK, is a very different thing from a "leftist" in Cyprus or Romania or Moldova. Hugely different.

My American friends cannot connect to what i mean when i say "left wing" here because they do not have it. In my country, personally, i am considered a very active member of the right wing party - the liberal democrat party. The equivalent of this in the US would be the democrat party! Makes any sense?

Spicey is as usuall right about what she says - these 2 countries being the only ones with democratically elected Communist governments. This however, doesnt necesserally mean that the countries are running on a Communist system. Far from it actually. In both countries they were elected in office for different reasons - and might i add that they are doing quite well in what they were elected for. Unfortunately, narrow minded ignorant people like Wee Wee Gee Bush cannot see beyond etiquetes and cannot comprehent why some things are the way they are.

Communism, the way USSR saw it and tried to apply it is dead. And buried. For the reasons you mentioned Aries and for many many more, it could never work. But that doesnt mean that it doesnt have some very good ideas that can find some good use in other forms of government. One of its main strengths is the strong belief that the society must care for those that cannot care for themselves: Be it disabled/sick/ men and women, children, elderly or be it the nature/animals etc. It also promotes quality of life, whatever context that might have. These "milder" ideas have given rise to Socialism, wich indeed has a lot to offer to society...

i am not a socialist btw...
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Apr 4, 2008 4:50 AM CST Obama’s Communist Mentor
Manolito
ManolitoManolitoa strfilled galaxy far faraway, Greater London, England UK19 Threads 1 Polls 1,611 Posts
damn typos.. "a leftist in America or the UK"
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Apr 4, 2008 5:23 AM CST Obama’s Communist Mentor
kj12345
kj12345kj12345Taipei, Taiwan37 Posts
Manolito: When discussing this things, one needs to take into account where each of the oppinioners live. Because a "leftist" in America or the OK, is a very different thing from a "leftist" in Cyprus or Romania or Moldova. Hugely different.

My American friends cannot connect to what i mean when i say "left wing" here because they do not have it. In my country, personally, i am considered a very active member of the right wing party - the liberal democrat party. The equivalent of this in the US would be the democrat party! Makes any sense?


If people in the US had any clue about what goes on outside their borders, they would realize how far right wing their politics are. Hillary Clinton is further to the right politically than Angela Merkel of Germany, and Merkel leads the right wing Christian Democrats.

Unfortunately, most think the foreign media can't be trusted while theirs can. mumbling


Manolito: Spicey is as usuall right about what she says - these 2 countries being the only ones with democratically elected Communist governments. This however, doesnt necesserally mean that the countries are running on a Communist system. Far from it actually. In both countries they were elected in office for different reasons - and might i add that they are doing quite well in what they were elected for. Unfortunately, narrow minded ignorant people like Wee Wee Gee Bush cannot see beyond etiquetes and cannot comprehent why some things are the way they are.


Bush is a petulant child born with a silver spoon. Worse still, his spoon is up his nose.

Despite having the wealthiest nation and most access to foreign media, the US is arguably the least traveled country in the world. Worse still, most of them actually believe their media is giving them the whole story of what goes on outside their borders.

Cartoonist/columnist Ted Rall had a very good idea once: instead of spending billions on military adventures overseas, the US should give every 20-something a passport, a phrasebook, a plane ticket and a few thousand dollars and make them live outside their own country for a year.

It would cost less and do more to further US foreign relations than wars because (a) foreigners would see Americans individually, not the collective national arrogance, and (b) Americans would see how others live and perhaps even learn their languages. It would be a win-win on all fronts.

i am not a yank btw... wink
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Apr 4, 2008 5:41 AM CST Obama’s Communist Mentor
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
kj12345: If people in the US had any clue about what goes on outside their borders, they would realize how far right wing their politics are. Hillary Clinton is further to the right politically than Angela Merkel of Germany, and Merkel leads the right wing Christian Democrats.

Unfortunately, most think the foreign media can't be trusted while theirs can.

Bush is a petulant child born with a silver spoon. Worse still, his spoon is up his nose.

Despite having the wealthiest nation and most access to foreign media, the US is arguably the least traveled country in the world. Worse still, most of them actually believe their media is giving them the whole story of what goes on outside their borders.

Cartoonist/columnist Ted Rall had a very good idea once: instead of spending billions on military adventures overseas, the US should give every 20-something a passport, a phrasebook, a plane ticket and a few thousand dollars and make them live outside their own country for a year.

It would cost less and do more to further US foreign relations than wars because (a) foreigners would see Americans individually, not the collective national arrogance, and (b) Americans would see how others live and perhaps even learn their languages. It would be a win-win on all fronts.

i am not a yank btw...


It'll take 40 years for Obama to fix the world.
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Apr 4, 2008 6:42 AM CST Obama’s Communist Mentor
kj12345:
i am not a yank btw...cheering
Well,Good for yourolling on the floor laughing laugh grin
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Apr 4, 2008 7:05 AM CST Obama’s Communist Mentor
Aries01: No.. I wasn't.. thanks for that... I am not always properly versed on these things.. I still feel though that history has shown, on numerous occasions that communism doesn't work... it is all great.. idealistic in theory but fails to regard the human element, and drive... this historically has needed control and force to keep it in place.. not good in my book...

But thanks will look that one up.. how is it working in these countries?.. also 'socialism' as opposed to 'pure socialism' i.e. Communism.... I would consider myself a socialist and welcome it
NOPE;NOPE NOPE,it is the Idea that has to be eradicated,That the Best have to be Sacrificed to the Worst.
It's the Ideal that's to blame NOT Human Nature.Go read the Ideas of Statism,Collectivism,Socialism,Communism,Fascism.Read them carefully if you're a Freedom-Loving Human.
All of them are alike.
They all preach,that the Individual does not belong to Himself,but to the Collective.
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