God exists??? ( Archived) (350)

Apr 8, 2008 1:55 PM CST God exists???
Aries01
Aries01Aries01Kent, England UK47 Threads 4 Polls 2,732 Posts
patrickthomas: So now I am wondering is there a spectrum of belief from very conservative, "by the book believers" to people who refer only to spirituality and somehow seem to sound akin to Buddhism or an other Philosophical belief.

And if so is it possible that every person chooses that which fits their understanding of the World.

I am searching to find words here....


Hiya Patrick wave

I think in order to have any kind of understanding of God (internally) you have to disregard Religion altogether.. well Religious Dogma at least.. I think that if anything it actually diverts peoples attentions away from God.. God is within, and all around us.. I feel if a persons heart and mind are open u are more likely to find God in ur deepest thought and feelings and in all the beauty that is around us.. and even in other people JMO

wine hug
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Apr 8, 2008 1:56 PM CST God exists???
Aries01
Aries01Aries01Kent, England UK47 Threads 4 Polls 2,732 Posts
BeautifulEri: Have to go for now...my best friend just arrived from mexico city, hes just here to have lunch with me and he goes back...

I will come back with MORE answers...

Aries...take care of this thread for meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...


Awwww.. hug...

enjoy lunch hun... wave.. hopefully see ya later hug
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Apr 8, 2008 1:59 PM CST God exists???
patrickthomas
patrickthomaspatrickthomasMullingar, Westmeath Ireland33 Threads 4 Polls 1,911 Posts
Aries01: Hiya Patrick

I think in order to have any kind of understanding of God (internally) you have to disregard Religion altogether.. well Religious Dogma at least.. I think that if anything it actually diverts peoples attentions away from God.. God is within, and all around us.. I feel if a persons heart and mind are open u are more likely to find God in ur deepest thought and feelings and in all the beauty that is around us.. and even in other people JMO


What is your understanding of God?
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Apr 8, 2008 2:11 PM CST God exists???
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
Religion...at least Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.....creates false saviors....we can only save ourselves with our choices. We cannot rely on God to save us or some religion to rescue us. I can say that religion is helpful for those who really need it, but I think our spiritual evolution is taking us in the direction that everybody will have their own spirituality outside the dogmas of the 5 main religions. Somehow, the religions don't seem to really get their message through to humans. Maybe we humans are just too full of desire and ego to really evolve at a faster rate.
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Apr 8, 2008 3:09 PM CST God exists???
patrickthomas
patrickthomaspatrickthomasMullingar, Westmeath Ireland33 Threads 4 Polls 1,911 Posts
So you understand God as an entity outside of yourself, A spiritual entity. How would you describe this entity? As a ever-living ever-powerful presence? A consciousness, a being, intelligent outside of ourselves. I am trying very hard to put words on this for you probably failing.

Or is it that you have no explanation for what you believe in other than that there is something?
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Apr 8, 2008 3:09 PM CST God exists???
gangel
gangelgangelPlovdiv, Bulgaria, Hampshire, England UK52 Threads 16 Polls 5,028 Posts
It's far easier for humanity to accept that they will go on to a safe haven and be forgiven for all, rather than to question the existence of a super omnipotent being.



smoking cowboy
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Apr 8, 2008 3:20 PM CST God exists???
patrickthomas
patrickthomaspatrickthomasMullingar, Westmeath Ireland33 Threads 4 Polls 1,911 Posts
gangel: It's far easier for humanity to accept that they will go on to a safe haven and be forgiven for all, rather than to question the existence of a super omnipotent being.


I agree it probably is far easier to do this, but a whole lot of people do believe that there is something, and I respect this.

I am trying to understand why people choose to believe, in what they do believe in as it seems a lot of people "Invent" their own concept of God and this to me is very interesting and very creative.
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Apr 8, 2008 3:21 PM CST God exists???
patrickthomas
patrickthomaspatrickthomasMullingar, Westmeath Ireland33 Threads 4 Polls 1,911 Posts
Oh Hi gangel, I forget my manners sometimes, or forget to try and pretend I have some laugh
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Apr 8, 2008 3:31 PM CST God exists???
Aries01
Aries01Aries01Kent, England UK47 Threads 4 Polls 2,732 Posts
patrickthomas: So you understand God as an entity outside of yourself, A spiritual entity. How would you describe this entity? As a ever-living ever-powerful presence? A consciousness, a being, intelligent outside of ourselves. I am trying very hard to put words on this for you probably failing.

Or is it that you have no explanation for what you believe in other than that there is something?


Yes the 'alpha' and the 'omega' the beginning and the end the grand creator of this grand design... we are part of his universe, we are all connected through him, with him and in him.. it is hard to describe.. and I won't have the arrogance to assume that I have all the answers..

What do you believe Patrick.. any thought on what has been said so far.. I know that you are the type of person who requires scientific confirmation of facts.. do you believe in any entity outside urself.. like BnaturAl for example.. he has his own unique spiritual beliefs which are nevertheless spritual in origin.. whats ur take? am curious wine cheers
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Apr 8, 2008 3:33 PM CST God exists???
FlowerGirl40
FlowerGirl40FlowerGirl40Bloomington, Indiana USA3 Posts
BeautifulEri: I just received this and thought it was great, would love to share it with you guys....WHAT A GREAT ANALOGY OF GOD FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW
BY ROBIN WILLIAMS NO LESS

This is one of the best explanations
of why God allows pain and suffering
that I have seen. It's an explanation
other people will understand.

A man went to a barbershop to have
his hair cut and his beard trimmed.
As the barber began to work,
They talked about so many things
and various subjects.

When they eventually touched on
the subject of God, the barber said:
'I don't believe that God exists.'

'Why do you say that?'
asked the customer.
'Well, you just have to go out in
the street to realize that God
doesn't exist. Tell me, if God exists,
would there be so many sick people?
Would there be abandoned children?
If God existed, there would be neither
suffering nor pain.
I can't imagine loving a God who
would allow all of these things.'

The customer thought for a moment,
but didn't respond because he didn't
want to start an argument.
The barber finished his job and the customer
left the shop.
Just after he left the barbershop,
he saw a man in the street with long,
stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed
beard.
He looked dirty and un-kept.

The customer turned back and entered
the barber shop again and he said
to the barber:
'You know what? Barbers do not exist.'

'How can you say that?'
asked the surprised barber.
'I am here, and I am a barber.
And I just worked on you!'

'No!' the customer exclaimed.
'Barbers don't exist because
if they did, there would be no
people with d irty long hair
and untrimmed beards,
like that man outside.'

'Ah, but barbers DO exist!
What happens is, people
do not come to me.'

'Exactly!'-
affirmed the customer.
'That's the point!
God, too, DOES exist!
What happens, is, people
don't go to Him
and do not look for Him.
That's why there's so much pain
and suffering in the world.'
BE BLESSED & BE A BLESSING!

'Do not ask the Lord to guide your footsteps if you're not willing to move your feet.'


Explain this then....Why do people who go to and turn to god suffer? There are many people who believe in and worship in god who suffer greatly... unfortunately, I happen to know many of them!! confused
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Apr 8, 2008 3:40 PM CST God exists???
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
Aries01: Hiya Patrick.. I am quoting this post because to a large extent it conforms to my understanding of God also.. I believe that God spirit is in us, all around us and connects us... and that collectively we have the potential to be GODLY...i.e. perfectly loving... however I don't believe we ARE God..that is where I would differ..

A poem sort of came as an inspiration to me some years ago.. which to an extent illustrates my understanding of God..I need a bright blossoming yellow flower
and passion and fire to empower
my dying romantisism
the many lights of my childishness locked
in a transparent prism

Your life isn't your own without other people...
it belongs to misery
that colourful array of sounds
is ur reason for being
don't look to the dark side
look to the bright
it is the signature of every picture

We need to find our way back to the light that is inside us.. all!! and we need to seek out the light in others.. the best way to do this is to reflect our light on them... it is like we are trapped in a prism.. we need light to give life to the many colours that we possess...

Also.. the bad bits (jealousy, envy, greed, pride etc.. etc) We ALL have in common.. it is the good bits... the endearing bits that make us unique as individuals.. now I know that you have to look alot closer in some people to see this light.. and in yet others the light is all but blacked out.. but it is never the less there..



Oops. I meant that we are part of God...I did not mean to imply that "we are God".
totally understand as well as share similar views with Aries. The concept of light as being part of the source that we come from is very fascinating.
The lovely poem that aries posted clearly motivates us to keep thinking positive and attracting what we want, and attracting what we don't want when we think negatively. I really believe that thoughts, which will one day be measured scientifically, really do manifest exactly what we want and don't want....and even in between on the emotional roller coaster if you will....
Scientific breakthroughs conceive freshly new paradigms and perceptions of how we see yourselves. What was once impossible...is now possible. Ultimately....anything is possible if you believe it to be without a trace of doubt.
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Apr 8, 2008 3:49 PM CST God exists???
patrickthomas
patrickthomaspatrickthomasMullingar, Westmeath Ireland33 Threads 4 Polls 1,911 Posts
Aries01: Yes the 'alpha' and the 'omega' the beginning and the end the grand creator of this grand design... we are part of his universe, we are all connected through him, with him and in him.. it is hard to describe.. and I won't have the arrogance to assume that I have all the answers..

What do you believe Patrick.. any thought on what has been said so far.. I know that you are the type of person who requires scientific confirmation of facts.. do you believe in any entity outside urself.. like BnaturAl for example.. he has his own unique spiritual beliefs which are nevertheless spritual in origin.. whats ur take? am curious


I believe that we have a lot to learn about our own humanness, that our inner selves are as mysterious to us as anything in this world.

I am an Atheist. You have already stated this. I do not believe in the existence of an entity outside of ourselves, certainly not one who is interested in us.

But it is not my beliefs that were put on a thread, God??? was the Question of this thread and I am interested in how you can believe in the existence of this entity.
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Apr 8, 2008 4:03 PM CST God exists???
patrickthomas
patrickthomaspatrickthomasMullingar, Westmeath Ireland33 Threads 4 Polls 1,911 Posts
specialone4u: Oops. I meant that we are part of God...I did not mean to imply that "we are God".
totally understand as well as share similar views with Aries. The concept of light as being part of the source that we come from is very fascinating.
The lovely poem that aries posted clearly motivates us to keep thinking positive and attracting what we want, and attracting what we don't want when we think negatively. I really believe that thoughts, which will one day be measured scientifically, really do manifest exactly what we want and don't want....and even in between on the emotional roller coaster if you will....
Scientific breakthroughs conceive freshly new paradigms and perceptions of how we see yourselves. What was once impossible...is now possible. Ultimately....anything is possible if you believe it to be without a trace of doubt.


As a matter of fact, scientists have begun to study why some people believe and other don’t, from a biological perspective. They have identified certain naturally occurring chemicals in our bodies that can give us religious experiences. Studies of identical twins separated at birth seem to indicate that god-belief is about 50% nurture and 50% nature. Some claim to have found a “god gene” that makes people more likely to believe.
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Apr 8, 2008 4:13 PM CST God exists???
Aries01
Aries01Aries01Kent, England UK47 Threads 4 Polls 2,732 Posts
patrickthomas: I believe that we have a lot to learn about our own humanness, that our inner selves are as mysterious to us as anything in this world.

I am an Atheist. You have already stated this. I do not believe in the existence of an entity outside of ourselves, certainly not one who is interested in us.

But it is not my beliefs that were put on a thread, God??? was the Question of this thread and I am interested in how you can believe in the existence of this entity.


Coming from what is potentially 'polar opposites' I am not sure I would have the means or even the words to explain any more adequately than I have already attempted to.. just one of those things I guess..

wine cheers
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Apr 8, 2008 4:38 PM CST God exists???
patrickthomas
patrickthomaspatrickthomasMullingar, Westmeath Ireland33 Threads 4 Polls 1,911 Posts
Aries01: Coming from what is potentially 'polar opposites' I am not sure I would have the means or even the words to explain any more adequately than I have already attempted to.. just one of those things I guess..


Ok, thats a pity.

It can be difficult to explain what we feel. I have had a lifetime of experience of doing this and do realize that it is difficult for most people to express how they feel about the deepest things in their nature.

I disagree that it is polar opposites. I once believed in the existence of something called god and found that through my work, experience and study that it was no longer valid for myself to go along with what was really merely wishful thinking.

I am not even vaguely a polar opposite to the person I was before this. I am the same person although a little wiser. I do feel that there is an eventual truth about existence that most religious beliefs try hard to communicate. Most fail.

Whether religious belief will be looked on in two thousand years time as just a phase of humanity or a legend that had some analogy of the truth I really don't know.

I am interested in where these beliefs come from and why they manifest themselves in our minds.

It is not easy to customize your own belief system as it is such a complex area it quite simply takes a lot of time.
Most people opt for a ready-made so the work is done for them, again not an easy option as there are so many competing ones out there.

I do not refer to myself as an Atheist however, I am a Humanitarian.
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Apr 8, 2008 4:45 PM CST God exists???
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
patrickthomas: I believe that we have a lot to learn about our own humanness, that our inner selves are as mysterious to us as anything in this world.

I am an Atheist. You have already stated this. I do not believe in the existence of an entity outside of ourselves, certainly not one who is interested in us.

But it is not my beliefs that were put on a thread, God??? was the Question of this thread and I am interested in how you can believe in the existence of this entity.


I totally agree. In order for this to happen, we need to radically change our educational system so we learn of which you speak of. It has too start at an early age. The whole educational system needs to be turned right side up so we can learn more about ourselves during school. Not so much of the prescribed nonsense the school systems and institutions from around the world teach us. It is a process in the making. We cannot collectively evolve overnight without learning from our experiences and making the proper choices and executing the proper actions in order to get what we want. Radical change is desperately needed. Our minds and ways of perceiving need to be revolutionary with a vision towards respected understanding and world peace that we dream of.
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Apr 8, 2008 4:54 PM CST God exists???
patrickthomas
patrickthomaspatrickthomasMullingar, Westmeath Ireland33 Threads 4 Polls 1,911 Posts
specialone4u: I totally agree. In order for this to happen, we need to radically change our educational system so we learn of which you speak of. It has too start at an early age. The whole educational system needs to be turned right side up so we can learn more about ourselves during school. Not so much of the prescribed nonsense the school systems and institutions from around the world teach us. It is a process in the making. We cannot collectively evolve overnight without learning from our experiences and making the proper choices and executing the proper actions in order to get what we want. Radical change is desperately needed. Our minds and ways of perceiving need to be revolutionary with a vision towards respected understanding and world peace that we dream of.


Well said. and not just the educational system but to encourage people to continue to educate themselves throughout their lives - a work in progress - so to speak. I somehow feel if we make into the next century without starting any more major wars we will have come a long way.
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Apr 8, 2008 5:08 PM CST God exists???
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
patrickthomas:
I somehow feel if we make into the next century without starting any more major wars we will have come a long way.


True. A long way and beyond.
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Apr 8, 2008 5:53 PM CST God exists???
Islander2
Islander2Islander2Guernsey, , UK3 Threads 52 Posts
I do not refer to myself as an Atheist however, I am a Humanitarian.

Hi there. Stuck my head in again.

Patrick, I think you are searching far too strongly? enthusiastically? whatever the word is, to ever be an atheist. You seem to have an urgent need to find an explanation for this world/your existence (as we all should). Is this more than just curiosity? dunno

Is there some deep seated need driving you? Or am I being too assumptive?
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Apr 8, 2008 6:14 PM CST God exists???
patrickthomas
patrickthomaspatrickthomasMullingar, Westmeath Ireland33 Threads 4 Polls 1,911 Posts
Islander2: I do not refer to myself as an Atheist however, I am a Humanitarian.


Hi there. Stuck my head in again.

Patrick, I think you are searching far too strongly? enthusiastically? whatever the word is, to ever be an atheist. You seem to have an urgent need to find an explanation for this world/your existence (as we all should). Is this more than just curiosity?

Is there some deep seated need driving you? Or am I being too assumptive?

I have a passion for life and everything I do in it, I do not believe in doing anything half-heartily. I use the ideas that are contained in Philosophy Religion and Science in my work.

They are the ideas that form most of the World.
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