I Miss Him... (116)
kidatheart: It's not just the president you're electing, it's also the pack of jackals he/she brings in with him/her. Unless McCain becomes president, then all that really changes is the pictures on the desk in the oval office.
Everyone seems to praise or condemn the president when he/she has little to do with the way the country is running. The important decisions are made by others or groups and the pres or one of his minions are merely there to announce the policies.
The economy runs the economy, not the president.
Carter, left, bad, Reagan, right, good. All BS.
Do you really think one person has that much power?
If the president didn't do as he's told, he'd be shot! Just like has been done before.
Everyone seems to praise or condemn the president when he/she has little to do with the way the country is running. The important decisions are made by others or groups and the pres or one of his minions are merely there to announce the policies.
The economy runs the economy, not the president.
Carter, left, bad, Reagan, right, good. All BS.
Do you really think one person has that much power?
If the president didn't do as he's told, he'd be shot! Just like has been done before.
You are so right. Does anyone really think one person has all that power. Why do you think we have three governing bodies all with such a complicated set of rules to give them that power. The President has some choices and can lobby for what he believes in, but there is the legislative body of the Senate and House that need a majority to agree before anything happens. The President has the choice of his Cabinet to advise him, but that's about as far as his free choice goes. All the rest is an intricate balance of men and women working together to govern this great country of ours. One also has to remember that the results of a great President are seldom seen during his time in office because change is slow; they show during the next political reign who often tries to take credit for them as well.
Kansan, nothing like a little politics to get everyone riled is there-lol!
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ooby_dooby: those who would sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path.
Isn't that exactly what so many American voters did in 2004?
Isn't that exactly what so many American voters did in 2004?
Yeah the problem was that Bush used 9/11 to trigger fear among American citizens. He used it to his advantage. And people fell for it. But the problem was that there were not enough people who voted, so America was underrepresented. I believe that if enough people had voted then Bush would never have been in office. Oh wait not to mention the Florida list issue that stopped people from voting, voting fraud where people voted twice in two different states, and "broken machines" in prominent democratic black communities. It is our fault for not voting, but if I could have voted I would have.
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e's ruining our economy, our environment, our lives, our freedom. He's managed to get himself into such a high state of power that we can't even fight against it. Did you know that in Vermont, if he so much as steps foot in the state, he can be arrested and tried for treason? They passed a bill allowing it. Oh and atleast other presidents actually worked their way through college and the military, and can speak proper english. He's ruining everything we've ever stood for. Oh and one more thing.... in the grand canyon, they are no longer allowed to say that erosion created the canyon over hundreds of years.... they have to say that God created it as it was and it's never changed. He's been allowed to make them sell a book that never had to be edited or altered, they were written and placed on the shelf and it's completely about creationism. The majority of people are not creationists. He's spewing lies all over our country. He's sending us into another great depression and worse.... helping cause the possible end of America altogether, and helping destroy the ozone layer which is the reason we can even maintain life. Awesome. Now try to tell me there has been a worse president.
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Oh yeah did I mention that Bush invaded BEFORE war was declared? I'm pretty sure that that is not permitted? And yet he did it anyway... HMMMM yeah what an awesome president right?
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ooby_dooby: I happen to have a very good command of the English language and I did not take anything out of context but to be fair here is the complete sentence from the first capital letter to the period at the end.
Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path.
Now, he may have been referring to pacifist "liberals" but that sentence can describe equally well, those on the far right who couldn't care less about giving up our freedoms and rights expressed in the Constitution for the "security" of the totalitarian state. I submit to you the "Patriot Act" and "Homeland Security" and tapping peoples phone conversations and emails without a court order. It's all in your point of view after all, isn't it?
Personally, I think Ronald Reagan should have been impeached, prosecuted for war crimes and treason and thrown in jail along with his henchman Oliver North for violating the direct orders of the congress by selling arms to Iran under the secrecy of the NSC.
We're paying for that today.
There are many who believe he also made a deal with Iran to get our embassy hostages released. Doesn't it seem strange to you that they were released on the very day Reagan took the oath of office?
Sorry, but a few glib one liners does NOT a great president make. The man was an actor for Christ sake! He was trained to read lines well. He most likely didn't even create those gems, some unsung script writer did. And for this he is elevated to greatness?
When are we going to stop placing so much importance on charisma and charm and instead elect our leaders based on
ability
honesty
trustworthiness
respect
responsibility
fairness
caring and
citizenship
Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path.
Now, he may have been referring to pacifist "liberals" but that sentence can describe equally well, those on the far right who couldn't care less about giving up our freedoms and rights expressed in the Constitution for the "security" of the totalitarian state. I submit to you the "Patriot Act" and "Homeland Security" and tapping peoples phone conversations and emails without a court order. It's all in your point of view after all, isn't it?
Personally, I think Ronald Reagan should have been impeached, prosecuted for war crimes and treason and thrown in jail along with his henchman Oliver North for violating the direct orders of the congress by selling arms to Iran under the secrecy of the NSC.
We're paying for that today.
There are many who believe he also made a deal with Iran to get our embassy hostages released. Doesn't it seem strange to you that they were released on the very day Reagan took the oath of office?
Sorry, but a few glib one liners does NOT a great president make. The man was an actor for Christ sake! He was trained to read lines well. He most likely didn't even create those gems, some unsung script writer did. And for this he is elevated to greatness?
When are we going to stop placing so much importance on charisma and charm and instead elect our leaders based on
ability
honesty
trustworthiness
respect
responsibility
fairness
caring and
citizenship
Well stated.
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kidatheart: It never ceases to amaze me that people believe one person is responsible for all that happens during their term in office. When you elect the head of state, you elect their entire gang as well.
Do you really think Howdy Doody is responsible for all that's happened in the last 8 years?
The man simply isn't smart enough!
The president/prime minister of any given nation is just the face of the party in power and some countries sure do pick some ugly faces.
Do you really think Howdy Doody is responsible for all that's happened in the last 8 years?
The man simply isn't smart enough!
The president/prime minister of any given nation is just the face of the party in power and some countries sure do pick some ugly faces.
HAHAHAHA
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kidatheart: There is hope for America yet!
There is? Where?!!???!
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britainynicole08: There is? Where?!!???!
With people like you!
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I can't wait for indyfella, conrad, tom, and single dude to join in on this discussion.
With that said, I really did like Reagan.
And the Bush administration is the most corrupt administration ever....not even arguable.
With that said, I really did like Reagan.
And the Bush administration is the most corrupt administration ever....not even arguable.
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I don't agree or disagree with the Reagan discussion, that's all a matter of personal opinion. It doesn't appear to me that he did anything incredibly horrible or anything incredibly amazing. Just kinda there. Like I said before he has some great quotes though. Haha. I like the one about the government being like a baby. It's too bad he was a part of it, he seems to make fun of it a lot 
It's just that whenever I see a comment about the Bush administration not being as bad as people say it is or that it's good.... part of me dies a little inside and my hope for this country slips farther and farther down the drain. Yep.
It's just that whenever I see a comment about the Bush administration not being as bad as people say it is or that it's good.... part of me dies a little inside and my hope for this country slips farther and farther down the drain. Yep.------ This thread is Archived ------
britainynicole08: There is? Where?!!???!
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In response to your blathering....
Are you relative of Teddy (I can't swim) Kennedy?
Incidently, Truman had a 22% approval rating.
Are you relative of Teddy (I can't swim) Kennedy?
Incidently, Truman had a 22% approval rating.
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britainynicole08: Oh yeah did I mention that Bush invaded BEFORE war was declared? I'm pretty sure that that is not permitted? And yet he did it anyway... HMMMM yeah what an awesome president right?
.....as a point of interest, why don't you post that "declaration of war".
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Ahhh, nothing like statistics and numbers to beat down the truth.
I think that the paper their written on would be beter used for Oragami.
I think that the paper their written on would be beter used for Oragami.
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kidatheart: Ahhh, nothing like statistics and numbers to beat down the truth.
I think that the paper their written on would be beter used for Oragami.
I think that the paper their written on would be beter used for Oragami.
Look it up on Slate. They had commentary on their website today. Of course, you wouldn't believe that either. Truth ends up being what a person wishes to believe, unfortunately.
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kidatheart: Ahhh, nothing like statistics and numbers to beat down the truth.
I think that the paper their written on would be beter used for Oragami.
I think that the paper their written on would be beter used for Oragami.
Just to simplify:
Why was Harry Truman as unloved as George W. Bush?
By Jacob Leibenluft
Posted Monday, May 5, 2008, at 6:47 PM ET
Harry S. Truman
A CNN poll released May 1 pegged President Bush's approval rating at 28 percent, among the lowest in modern American history. The rating hasn't yet reached the all-time low of 22 percent, which Harry Truman received in a February 1952 Gallup poll. How did Truman manage to be less popular than George W. Bush?
The Korean War, a weak economy, and "tax fixing." Truman had struggled in opinion polls before—most notably before his comeback victory in the 1948 election—but his approval ratings suffered a steady downward decline from early 1949. By February 1952, military operations in Korea had reached a stalemate, with congressional Republicans hammering Truman for "botching" the war. The conflict was also contributing to rapid inflation, despite an unpopular set of price controls the president had implemented. Although Democrats controlled Congress, splits within the party—particularly between Truman and Southern Democrats—meant Truman faced a constant struggle in moving his agenda forward. Etc~~~~
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They did not seem to mind him when the wall fall. Seemedpretty happy right then, in fact.
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Indyfella: Look it up on Slate. They had commentary on their website today. Of course, you wouldn't believe that either. Truth ends up being what a person wishes to believe, unfortunately.
Statistics are dependant on how they're collected and by whom and they can be manipulated to suit one's agenda.
Much like taking that paper and making either a pteradactyle or a cup. Same paper, different result.
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kidatheart: Statistics are dependant on how they're collected and by whom and they can be manipulated to suit one's agenda.
Much like taking that paper and making either a pteradactyle or a cup. Same paper, different result.
Much like taking that paper and making either a pteradactyle or a cup. Same paper, different result.
By the same token, because a political leader you admire says something, that wouldn't necessarily make it true.
So in the end, a person believes what they want to believe~~whatever works.
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Everyone seems to praise or condemn the president when he/she has little to do with the way the country is running. The important decisions are made by others or groups and the pres or one of his minions are merely there to announce the policies.
The economy runs the economy, not the president.
Carter, left, bad, Reagan, right, good. All BS.
Do you really think one person has that much power?
If the president didn't do as he's told, he'd be shot! Just like has been done before.
I don't necessarily subscribe to your views. I don't think Reagan was necessarily a "rightist"...probably more of a moderate. I DO think the president sets the tone and can inspire. That was Reagan's success. It wasn't that he spent the late nights shuffling thru paperwork at some government agency after everyone went home.
The ability for a President to motivate is probably the most important leadership trait.
Generally, the economy does run the economy...govt policy and govt attitude feeds into it too. You'd think we had 30% inflation and 25% unemployment by listing to the current candidates. That type of "blathering" really doesn't inspire confidence in the economy.