Being a Christian.... (212)
MikeHD: what
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cheesewhiz: I read a book by Rick Warren, it is called "A purpose Driven Life" It is a great book and it goes into detail about what our purpose is here on earth. Now I understand a little better. Mr Warren says that God is testing us to make sure we are worthy of the Kingdom. He is watching to see how we handle the trials and tribulations of life.
Sometimes, I catch myself doubting, and asking WHY? and it is confusing.
It still didn't clarify why there is such horrible deaths of children who are the innocents.
Sometimes, I catch myself doubting, and asking WHY? and it is confusing.
It still didn't clarify why there is such horrible deaths of children who are the innocents.
How is it that HE knows what life is about? Or do you just accept that he does because he is an author? This is the same as the bible, the written word becoming creed.
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LONELY28: Nothing.I am a christian first and formost.That means i believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins.And i pray to god.What branch of christianity you are part of is secoundary.Because all Branches of christianity at their core are all the same.And i also believe that the bible is the inspired word of god.And whats scary about a god who loves you for you,and his son dying to save us from sin?
AMEN, LONELY28!
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BnaturAl: that is interesting in that we ALL have that energy and light as it is called, which bespeaks of jesus being nothing more nor less than ourselves, and ummm plants, animals, insects, etc ...
Exactly...Jesus was human...Or was that made up?
BnaturAl: heres a concept that may bite your butt. Being 'alive' is about as selfish as it gets! So many people suffering from mal nutrition, homeless etc.. If say a million people decided to die, there would enough food for all, or water, or money, or pleasure? Yes living is selfishly centered around the self so I doubt we are here to learn how not to be selfish.
You're not biting my butt
If God is everything and everything is God, then God is alive correct? Does that mean that God is selfish as well?
We learn not to be selfish by helping one another. If we were to help one another, then there wouldn't be malnutrition, starvation or homelessness etc. Everyone would have food, shelter and all the essential needs.
The problem that we have today is that people are materialistic and want more than they actually need...Am I wrong?
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Serenity1971: Exactly...Jesus was human...Or was that made up?You're not biting my butt
If God is everything and everything is God, then God is alive correct? Does that mean that God is selfish as well?
We learn not to be selfish by helping one another. If we were to help one another, then there wouldn't be malnutrition, starvation or homelessness etc. Everyone would have food, shelter and all the essential needs.
The problem that we have today is that people are materialistic and want more than they actually need...Am I wrong?
If God is everything and everything is God, then God is alive correct? Does that mean that God is selfish as well?
We learn not to be selfish by helping one another. If we were to help one another, then there wouldn't be malnutrition, starvation or homelessness etc. Everyone would have food, shelter and all the essential needs.
The problem that we have today is that people are materialistic and want more than they actually need...Am I wrong?
right, wrong ...who knows. What you're espousing is altruistism, in a perfect world (if that is indeed perfection) which seemingly is what a lot of people would like to see though it appears those who have the most are least willing to give it up. Not all mind you. AND despite the number of people who espouse the same ideals, little changes.
As for god I would have to admit there was one single being and I am not prepared to do that, unless we were on the same page in this regard. Under your premise, yes he/she is selfish, otherwise suicide would be more acceptable and rampant given ones altruistic desire to be of help to others, which rarely happens.
To live is to be selfish. To say you live for another is misplaced. The unselfish would not live at all. They would choose to let someone else live. The very phrase 'my life' is possessive, selfishness personified. Again, right or wrong it just is what it is.
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Serenity1971:
Maybe one day everyone will come to the realization that we are all here for a purpose, and that purpose is to teach, to learn, to experience and to evolve to a higher understanding of ourselves without being selfish and self-centered.
Maybe one day everyone will come to the realization that we are all here for a purpose, and that purpose is to teach, to learn, to experience and to evolve to a higher understanding of ourselves without being selfish and self-centered.
Here is my take on that one...greatly influenced by many sources in books one and two of the Convoluted Universe and my observations and experiences in life.
I will quote the sources from the books and add in my two cents in between to add to it and simplify it.
This energy that we share with the Source or God, is almost identical but manifested in different ways. The energy which brings finances is indeed the same energy which brings health or disease. To stimulate an increase in financial energy would be using the same technique of visualizations and affirmations that are used in healing energy. This is simply as if you were passing the same ray of white light through two separate prisms. One which had a tendency to bring out more of a blue color, and one which would tend to bring out more of a green color. It is indeed the same energy, however, it is translated differently. The energy is basically neutral, it is simply how it is used. This energy can bring poverty or wealth, or it can bring health or disease. It can bring many things. It can bring happiness and sadness, or it can bring sanity or insanity. Always, it is how it is used, and in the intent is how it is manifested.
It is not good or bad. God is not good or bad, the source is not good or bad. Just positive or negative frequencies of emotions. All meant to be for our individual/collective spiritual evolution.
Many would choose to decide that someone else had a done them wrong and caused it to happen. And in so doing are defeating their very purpose for living. And that is , to learn to focus these energies (thoughts) in the most constructive way possible. That truly is the underlying reason for being born incarnate, in physical, is to learn to be masters of our thoughts, learn to be manipulators of this energy that is in us and that we share with the God Source.
Maybe that is the lesson we are all trying to learn. For everything can be traced back to this. The lessons of healing, the lessons of love, the lessons of understanding, the lessons of patience. All have their roots in this basic foundation. This basic foundation is something that religions have tried to express..in a divine way, and in a wrong way in the way that man twisted these concepts by accident or on purpose for reasons of dividing humanity so that we look outward instead of inward, away from each other instead of towards each other.
So it reflects in the physical plane most closely what is the true plan, which is the plan of our Source through our divine force that we have, but yet to realize.
Those who manipulate this energy (thoughts, agendas. actions) unwisely or unknowingly find they create situations around them which are not productive, or true to the plan. The entire purpose for incarnating and learning, is to learn to become adept manipulators of this energy. And in all your doings you are learning to manipulate this one way or another(shift thoughts and act-react), be it financial or political or healthwise or one of many, many different ways, and we take that as good or evil, positive or negative.
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mbcasey: Nothing wrong with being a Christian. I was raised a Catholic also, but choose to believe in God and Jesus without the benefit of a denomination.
To each his own
To each his own
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Serenity1971: Isaiah 45:6-7 - That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Philippians 2:13 - That energy is God's energy, an energy deep within you, God himself willing and working at what will give him the most pleasure.
Ephesians 1:20 - All this energy issues from Christ: God raised him from death and set him on a throne in deep heaven,
Mark 5:30 - At the same moment, Jesus felt energy discharging from him. He turned around to the crowd and asked, "Who touched my robe?"
Psalm 97:11 - Light-seeds are planted in the souls of God's people. . .
Romans 15:13 - Oh! May the God of green hope fill you up with joy, fill you up with peace, so that your believing lives, filled with the life-giving energy of the Holy Spirit, will brim over with hope!
Philippians 2:13 - That energy is God's energy, an energy deep within you, God himself willing and working at what will give him the most pleasure.
Ephesians 1:20 - All this energy issues from Christ: God raised him from death and set him on a throne in deep heaven,
Mark 5:30 - At the same moment, Jesus felt energy discharging from him. He turned around to the crowd and asked, "Who touched my robe?"
Psalm 97:11 - Light-seeds are planted in the souls of God's people. . .
Romans 15:13 - Oh! May the God of green hope fill you up with joy, fill you up with peace, so that your believing lives, filled with the life-giving energy of the Holy Spirit, will brim over with hope!
I've heard that the ultimate goal is to return to the creator, return to the Source, the God Source. That is what it's all supposedly about, going to the light which is the Source which almost everybody calls God. The ultimate goal of the soul is to be back with God/Source, from where we came from in the beginning...before we came into this physical world to experience the earthly ways and become trapped in the cycles of Karma. Many religious people believe they are not one with God/Source, they like to separate themselves from God/Source, so they are not one with the Source/God.
To become with the light is to evolve in the way that you raise your consciousness to a level such that you would no longer need a dense physical body, you would be a light being, and able to return back to the Source with the ability to come back as an ascended master and even choose to come back into physical form and get back in the cycles of Karma. When you reach that level of positive vibration of "pure thought", your reach a level where your sensitivity, your vibration and your energy level is at such a high note, that you no longer need to be in the physical world and in this astral plane of cruel and repeating cycles of life dictated by your levels of Karma. You transcend this world and go to what many perceive as Heaven or Nirvana....back to the God Source.
Supposedly when you reach that level of vibration, that would be far beyond the fifth dimension. You have worked out all karma that would need to be worked through. So when you get to that level of vibration, there is no Karma, you are just light, able to come back and forth, move in and out and go about your daily whatever you do, as though you were in dense form. But your vibrational level is of such pure thought, much like Jesus was....an Ascended Master coming from the Source/God as a light being.
Oh, and science can back this up theoretically...quantum mechanics and "the correspondence principle". It states that the predictions of quantum mechanics reduce to those of classical physics when a system moves to "higher energies" . So this concept can suggest that we are atoms that make up an energy vibrating at a certain rate. And that energy is the same that we share with the universe's energy. So imo, it would not seem crazy to suggest that our souls, which can be measured in theory by the way our atoms vibrate according to our karmas and pure/neutral thoughts, can in fact speed up it's vibration and escape the physical world and transfer to another state of being. We would be a higher form of energy. Where do we go directly....
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BnaturAl: you don't totally disagree, that unpossible! (sorry I watch the simpsons)
Well there are a lot of ifs there. That and a bag of rocks will get you stoned. Conjecture hardly suffices as a model. I mean no offense and I will concede to you (and anyone who beleives they have free will) that we have 'intent' but not free will ... intent is entirely different.
A hurricane can stop you, paying too much in taxes can stop you, a knife in the back can stop you, a close relative whom you adore dying all of a sudden can stop you, a sudden ilness can stop you, the list of life's brick walls is long so I'll stop there. Everybody has will and or intent, not "free" will.
Well there are a lot of ifs there. That and a bag of rocks will get you stoned. Conjecture hardly suffices as a model. I mean no offense and I will concede to you (and anyone who beleives they have free will) that we have 'intent' but not free will ... intent is entirely different.
A hurricane can stop you, paying too much in taxes can stop you, a knife in the back can stop you, a close relative whom you adore dying all of a sudden can stop you, a sudden ilness can stop you, the list of life's brick walls is long so I'll stop there. Everybody has will and or intent, not "free" will.
You are talking about "coincidence". Coincidence and free will are not the same. We disagree. I think I am right and you are wrong
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BnaturAl: I mean no offense and I will concede to you (and anyone who beleives they have free will) that we have 'intent' but not free will ... intent is entirely different.
A hurricane can stop you, paying too much in taxes can stop you, a knife in the back can stop you, a close relative whom you adore dying all of a sudden can stop you, a sudden ilness can stop you, the list of life's brick walls is long so I'll stop there. Everybody has will and or intent, not "free" will.
A hurricane can stop you, paying too much in taxes can stop you, a knife in the back can stop you, a close relative whom you adore dying all of a sudden can stop you, a sudden ilness can stop you, the list of life's brick walls is long so I'll stop there. Everybody has will and or intent, not "free" will.
Just my take on it, we have free will in that we are free to make decisions based on what comes our way in life. We are free to heed warnings of a hurricane or to stay and ride it out. We are free to mourn a loved one dying and get on with our lives, or to remain in our sorrow and become bitter about it. We are free to try to find treatment for an illness, and if none is available to accept our limitations.
Also, our will does not extend to others. We are free to make decisions regarding ourselves, but when they involve other people, that's where our free will ends.
When you say we don't have free will, you are right in that we have to pay the consequences or reap the rewards of the decisons we make with our will.
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StressFree: I've heard that the ultimate goal is to return to the creator, return to the Source, the God Source. That is what it's all supposedly about, going to the light which is the Source which almost everybody calls God. The ultimate goal of the soul is to be back with God/Source, from where we came from in the beginning...before we came into this physical world to experience the earthly ways and become trapped in the cycles of Karma. Many religious people believe they are not one with God/Source, they like to separate themselves from God/Source, so they are not one with the Source/God.
To become with the light is to evolve in the way that you raise your consciousness to a level such that you would no longer need a dense physical body, you would be a light being, and able to return back to the Source with the ability to come back as an ascended master and even choose to come back into physical form and get back in the cycles of Karma. When you reach that level of positive vibration of "pure thought", your reach a level where your sensitivity, your vibration and your energy level is at such a high note, that you no longer need to be in the physical world and in this astral plane of cruel and repeating cycles of life dictated by your levels of Karma. You transcend this world and go to what many perceive as Heaven or Nirvana....back to the God Source.
Supposedly when you reach that level of vibration, that would be far beyond the fifth dimension. You have worked out all karma that would need to be worked through. So when you get to that level of vibration, there is no Karma, you are just light, able to come back and forth, move in and out and go about your daily whatever you do, as though you were in dense form. But your vibrational level is of such pure thought, much like Jesus was....an Ascended Master coming from the Source/God as a light being.
Oh, and science can back this up theoretically...quantum mechanics and "the correspondence principle". It states that the predictions of quantum mechanics reduce to those of classical physics when a system moves to "higher energies" . So this concept can suggest that we are atoms that make up an energy vibrating at a certain rate. And that energy is the same that we share with the universe's energy. So imo, it would not seem crazy to suggest that our souls, which can be measured in theory by the way our atoms vibrate according to our karmas and pure/neutral thoughts, can in fact speed up it's vibration and escape the physical world and transfer to another state of being. We would be a higher form of energy. Where do we go directly.... Can say more, but not now, and because this post would be a book.
To become with the light is to evolve in the way that you raise your consciousness to a level such that you would no longer need a dense physical body, you would be a light being, and able to return back to the Source with the ability to come back as an ascended master and even choose to come back into physical form and get back in the cycles of Karma. When you reach that level of positive vibration of "pure thought", your reach a level where your sensitivity, your vibration and your energy level is at such a high note, that you no longer need to be in the physical world and in this astral plane of cruel and repeating cycles of life dictated by your levels of Karma. You transcend this world and go to what many perceive as Heaven or Nirvana....back to the God Source.
Supposedly when you reach that level of vibration, that would be far beyond the fifth dimension. You have worked out all karma that would need to be worked through. So when you get to that level of vibration, there is no Karma, you are just light, able to come back and forth, move in and out and go about your daily whatever you do, as though you were in dense form. But your vibrational level is of such pure thought, much like Jesus was....an Ascended Master coming from the Source/God as a light being.
Oh, and science can back this up theoretically...quantum mechanics and "the correspondence principle". It states that the predictions of quantum mechanics reduce to those of classical physics when a system moves to "higher energies" . So this concept can suggest that we are atoms that make up an energy vibrating at a certain rate. And that energy is the same that we share with the universe's energy. So imo, it would not seem crazy to suggest that our souls, which can be measured in theory by the way our atoms vibrate according to our karmas and pure/neutral thoughts, can in fact speed up it's vibration and escape the physical world and transfer to another state of being. We would be a higher form of energy. Where do we go directly.... Can say more, but not now, and because this post would be a book.
This is my gut feeling too Stress.. excellent post.. I definitely think there is purpose... and I believe in connectivity... I am not even sure I can put into words all my thoughts on this (possibly not helped by the fact that I am not long up
).. but there is a very definite pattern to our existence.. a purpose.. we are evolving.. collectively... some months ago I posted portions of an article called 'evolution of the soul' I think you would like it.. remind me later and will get the name for you..
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Aries01: Excellent post serenity!!! .. enjoy ur day!!
Thank you Aries, I did enjoy my day!
I hope you enjoy yours as well.
I had posed a few things in another forum on a thread that I started and it seems to fit in here so....
Why do we have to put expectations on anything? That would mean putting limitations on it wouldn't it?
If God is everything and everything is God, then how can we put a limit on anything if God is limitless?
Everything we see, hear, feel, taste or touch is a part of and just another facet...Is it not?
"We reap what we sow" If we want nothing but the best for everyone and everything don't you believe that we can do that in a collective consciousness?
I know that I believe that there are more people out there that are inherently good and want peace and harmony to reign over the bloody wars that have killed countless people due to religion and politics.
There's been little mention of dignity and respect, so I will throw this out there...
If we have enough dignity and respect for ourselves, it shows out to the rest of the world no matter how few people we're in contact with. When those people see it they wonder why they don't have it and then begin searching for it within themselves and the cycle begins...Does it not?
If someone has something that you want aren't you going to try to figure out how they got it and how you can get it?
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I think it is as simple as this:
1) A religion is a joint of relations between humans and God...
2) ... that includes the mood of running those relations, imposes axiomas (ergo: to be assumed without question or doubt) and touches the people's customs in a decisive way, having often much influence in its social, political and economic developement.
It took me a long time to realize that I am not catholic, and not even religious. I can hold my realtions with The Transcendental whithout belonging to a group. Whether I believe in God or not, I really don't know, but neither mind it at all. Does it have any importance to belive that after dead I will go to Heaven, reincarnate into a frog or just dissapear? No, not at all -I will be and live the same way.
My world and educating is Christian Realizing that Christianism is a big lie ha costed many depressions, suicides and unhappiness, but all those desertions cannot be compared with the frustration suffered by millions of people who resist themselves to realize the truth, even when they know it consciously.
Ethic is previous ad above religion. Be nobleman and good, respect the others, help the others, do one's best to improve life, is nothing just discovered by any religion. They are all concepts previous to religion. Every religion has adopted previous ways and created new ones. Christianism contributed with many good new points, like non-revenge; buddishm is nowadays giving such a global acceptance with its peaceful approach to life... But all religions are live in the past. Ethic evoluates, gets the good and leaves the bad, so permanenetly adapts to reality.
The only reason to make me believe that The Transcendental exists is in the sense that Platon puts in Socrates words the day before dying, as described in the Fedon: that he could not assume that the Goods could gain the same nothing as the Bads when dead comes. So, whatever happens afterwards, I am and will be good.
1) A religion is a joint of relations between humans and God...
2) ... that includes the mood of running those relations, imposes axiomas (ergo: to be assumed without question or doubt) and touches the people's customs in a decisive way, having often much influence in its social, political and economic developement.
It took me a long time to realize that I am not catholic, and not even religious. I can hold my realtions with The Transcendental whithout belonging to a group. Whether I believe in God or not, I really don't know, but neither mind it at all. Does it have any importance to belive that after dead I will go to Heaven, reincarnate into a frog or just dissapear? No, not at all -I will be and live the same way.
My world and educating is Christian Realizing that Christianism is a big lie ha costed many depressions, suicides and unhappiness, but all those desertions cannot be compared with the frustration suffered by millions of people who resist themselves to realize the truth, even when they know it consciously.
Ethic is previous ad above religion. Be nobleman and good, respect the others, help the others, do one's best to improve life, is nothing just discovered by any religion. They are all concepts previous to religion. Every religion has adopted previous ways and created new ones. Christianism contributed with many good new points, like non-revenge; buddishm is nowadays giving such a global acceptance with its peaceful approach to life... But all religions are live in the past. Ethic evoluates, gets the good and leaves the bad, so permanenetly adapts to reality.
The only reason to make me believe that The Transcendental exists is in the sense that Platon puts in Socrates words the day before dying, as described in the Fedon: that he could not assume that the Goods could gain the same nothing as the Bads when dead comes. So, whatever happens afterwards, I am and will be good.
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StressFree: You are talking about "coincidence". Coincidence and free will are not the same. We disagree. I think I am right and you are wrong
"to think is the entitlement of fools" ..JK ..anyway, no I am not talking about coincidence, I am talking about intent. Truly I believe there is no coincidence, as a matter of fact, there is only the catalytic result (action/reaction) of what 'appears' to be chaos. As to right and wrong, one must choose a path, may as well be the one thought right.
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alabamabebe: Just my take on it, we have free will in that we are free to make decisions based on what comes our way in life. We are free to heed warnings of a hurricane or to stay and ride it out. We are free to mourn a loved one dying and get on with our lives, or to remain in our sorrow and become bitter about it. We are free to try to find treatment for an illness, and if none is available to accept our limitations.
Also, our will does not extend to others. We are free to make decisions regarding ourselves, but when they involve other people, that's where our free will ends.
When you say we don't have free will, you are right in that we have to pay the consequences or reap the rewards of the decisons we make with our will.
Also, our will does not extend to others. We are free to make decisions regarding ourselves, but when they involve other people, that's where our free will ends.
When you say we don't have free will, you are right in that we have to pay the consequences or reap the rewards of the decisons we make with our will.
Agreed, only there is more, not just the intent of others, but also the acts of nature and the universe will have something to say about our choices...and or impose limits on our acheiving our intentions. When you have to pay, it is not free at all and that is indeed my point.
Also there is constant interaction with our and another's intent on every level. Hopefully we run into people who's intent is in harmony with ours, but that expectation is a whim.
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BnaturAl: How is it that HE knows what life is about? Or do you just accept that he does because he is an author? This is the same as the bible, the written word becoming creed.
Not necessarily. I thought it was an interesting perspective on the purpose of life. Author possibly guessing? Who knows. Anyhow, it was interesting.
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BnaturAl: Agreed, only there is more, not just the intent of others, but also the acts of nature and the universe will have something to say about our choices...and or impose limits on our acheiving our intentions. When you have to pay, it is not free at all and that is indeed my point.
Also there is constant interaction with our and another's intent on every level. Hopefully we run into people who's intent is in harmony with ours, but that expectation is a whim.
Also there is constant interaction with our and another's intent on every level. Hopefully we run into people who's intent is in harmony with ours, but that expectation is a whim.
Bump...
About natural disasters, one still has some range of choices even in that situation. One person might give up, and another person might choose to struggle and perhaps to survive. The same would apply if the intent of another was to coerce you into something or hold you captive. We still have a free will in those extreme situations. We have our minds, and we control how we wish to think and make a choice. If you are speaking from a fatalist perspective, then I would be confused as to your stance on spiritualism and your belief in God...according to your prior posts about God and spiritualism in this thread and some other God thread where we had a discussion.
If you believe that there are limits, then you will only limit yourself in this world of possibilities.
You mentioned of "paying" in the above posts, well, do I have to pay taxes? No! Do I have to go to work? No! Can I elect to not pay my bills? Yes! My free will dictates that. And the choices I make, I am responsible for. The result is that I create the world I live in, even outside of this world of social conditioning of what you have to do or what you don't have to do.
Okay, maybe there are some extreme situations in which we are given a set of choices that we would never wish to be in (being a prisoner or in the middle of a hurricane), but even in those situations, we still have our intent or free will as to make a choice as to how we deal with that situation. We have a choice to create a meaning out of it. In other words, nobody is controlling our thoughts at the core level. Sure some people have allow others to control their thoughts and actions, but it still gives them free will to buy into those concepts or thoughts. In other words, it is rare that we are possessed by other entities in which our souls are actually taken prisoner in that we are not of our original essence.
Our thoughts are controlled by our free will and how we intend to make a choice. In my opinion, finding yourself in a very undesirable situation, is a result of Karma, and meaningful coincidence. A coincidence having a meaning is something that goes beyond our metaphysical world. It is something that we have to experience in order to evolve our souls individually and collectively. And that does not mean that it has to be good. It also has to be bad and very painful.
Also, I have swayed my opinion on evil. Evil exists in this world or astral plane. It exists because it is part of our matrix. We are here for a reason, maybe to conflict with this evil and find a way to break away from it. To create pure love that is in our nature as souls from the source.
We are the observers, and what we observe and perceive, manifests. I do believe that there are universal laws that are good and bad. Evil to me is the the action of an entity in which our happiness is limited by a set of cruel circumstances where only emotional pain is manifested as the result. Killing somebody is evil. Torture is evil. Trying to control the world via selfish and corrupt desires is evil. Dishonesty is evil. Evil is a reference point in which we observe in order to see good so we can make a choice to do the right thing and find harmony and happiness. Spiritualities preach this, as do religions do. There surely has to be a reason for this.
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StressFree: Bump...
About natural disasters, one still has some range of choices even in that situation. One person might give up, and another person might choose to struggle and perhaps to survive. The same would apply if the intent of another was to coerce you into something or hold you captive. We still have a free will in those extreme situations. We have our minds, and we control how we wish to think and make a choice. If you are speaking from a fatalist perspective, then I would be confused as to your stance on spiritualism and your belief in God...according to your prior posts about God and spiritualism in this thread and some other God thread where we had a discussion.
If you believe that there are limits, then you will only limit yourself in this world of possibilities.
You mentioned of "paying" in the above posts, well, do I have to pay taxes? No! Do I have to go to work? No! Can I elect to not pay my bills? Yes! My free will dictates that. And the choices I make, I am responsible for. The result is that I create the world I live in, even outside of this world of social conditioning of what you have to do or what you don't have to do.
Okay, maybe there are some extreme situations in which we are given a set of choices that we would never wish to be in (being a prisoner or in the middle of a hurricane), but even in those situations, we still have our intent or free will as to make a choice as to how we deal with that situation. We have a choice to create a meaning out of it. In other words, nobody is controlling our thoughts at the core level. Sure some people have allow others to control their thoughts and actions, but it still gives them free will to buy into those concepts or thoughts. In other words, it is rare that we are possessed by other entities in which our souls are actually taken prisoner in that we are not of our original essence.
Our thoughts are controlled by our free will and how we intend to make a choice. In my opinion, finding yourself in a very undesirable situation, is a result of Karma, and meaningful coincidence. A coincidence having a meaning is something that goes beyond our metaphysical world. It is something that we have to experience in order to evolve our souls individually and collectively. And that does not mean that it has to be good. It also has to be bad and very painful.
Also, I have swayed my opinion on evil. Evil exists in this world or astral plane. It exists because it is part of our matrix. We are here for a reason, maybe to conflict with this evil and find a way to break away from it. To create pure love that is in our nature as souls from the source.
We are the observers, and what we observe and perceive, manifests. I do believe that there are universal laws that are good and bad. Evil to me is the the action of an entity in which our happiness is limited by a set of cruel circumstances where only emotional pain is manifested as the result. Killing somebody is evil. Torture is evil. Trying to control the world via selfish and corrupt desires is evil. Dishonesty is evil. Evil is a reference point in which we observe in order to see good so we can make a choice to do the right thing and find harmony and happiness. Spiritualities preach this, as do religions do. There surely has to be a reason for this.
About natural disasters, one still has some range of choices even in that situation. One person might give up, and another person might choose to struggle and perhaps to survive. The same would apply if the intent of another was to coerce you into something or hold you captive. We still have a free will in those extreme situations. We have our minds, and we control how we wish to think and make a choice. If you are speaking from a fatalist perspective, then I would be confused as to your stance on spiritualism and your belief in God...according to your prior posts about God and spiritualism in this thread and some other God thread where we had a discussion.
If you believe that there are limits, then you will only limit yourself in this world of possibilities.
You mentioned of "paying" in the above posts, well, do I have to pay taxes? No! Do I have to go to work? No! Can I elect to not pay my bills? Yes! My free will dictates that. And the choices I make, I am responsible for. The result is that I create the world I live in, even outside of this world of social conditioning of what you have to do or what you don't have to do.
Okay, maybe there are some extreme situations in which we are given a set of choices that we would never wish to be in (being a prisoner or in the middle of a hurricane), but even in those situations, we still have our intent or free will as to make a choice as to how we deal with that situation. We have a choice to create a meaning out of it. In other words, nobody is controlling our thoughts at the core level. Sure some people have allow others to control their thoughts and actions, but it still gives them free will to buy into those concepts or thoughts. In other words, it is rare that we are possessed by other entities in which our souls are actually taken prisoner in that we are not of our original essence.
Our thoughts are controlled by our free will and how we intend to make a choice. In my opinion, finding yourself in a very undesirable situation, is a result of Karma, and meaningful coincidence. A coincidence having a meaning is something that goes beyond our metaphysical world. It is something that we have to experience in order to evolve our souls individually and collectively. And that does not mean that it has to be good. It also has to be bad and very painful.
Also, I have swayed my opinion on evil. Evil exists in this world or astral plane. It exists because it is part of our matrix. We are here for a reason, maybe to conflict with this evil and find a way to break away from it. To create pure love that is in our nature as souls from the source.
We are the observers, and what we observe and perceive, manifests. I do believe that there are universal laws that are good and bad. Evil to me is the the action of an entity in which our happiness is limited by a set of cruel circumstances where only emotional pain is manifested as the result. Killing somebody is evil. Torture is evil. Trying to control the world via selfish and corrupt desires is evil. Dishonesty is evil. Evil is a reference point in which we observe in order to see good so we can make a choice to do the right thing and find harmony and happiness. Spiritualities preach this, as do religions do. There surely has to be a reason for this.
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Jesus would have forgiven Charles Manson and not judged him.. if he was repentant and accepted God into his life (sincerity required of course) he would have been as entitled to salvation as the rest of us...
sincerity like most emotions, feelings and intentions, is ephemeral.
forgiveness itself is a judgment ...