trish123: Coincidences are a funny thing too - how did they ever get to have that name - think I will just get the dictionary def of that........
ah, the dictionary says "without obvious causal connection." hmmm, I wonder how many of us have been searching for these causal connections for years and overlooking the obvious
And coming back to the main subject of this thread:
It is said that because of the connections in reality there are many omens and signs coming to us all the time. Are they pretty obvious? It is also said that the more prepared one gets the more obvious these omens become to someone. Many individuals taking cliches from commercial gurus and people like that might then spend lots of time trying to see these omens, or just following something that means nothing. This is a situation where this type of gurus can not help at all as they also lack that kind of spiritual preparation to understand the language of nature, reality or whatever name we give to "The One" (as somoene used this term here)
Lately I heard a case of a woman who had met the worst nightmare of her life with her husband. A routine-case but it drew my attention when I heard that she was telling the audience that when her father was dying he told her that he wanted to see her happy with a husband :"you will recognise him by his shining eyes" She said later that it was exactly the reason why she felt in love with this man that had brought so much havoc to her life in the end. She said that she had felt strongly that her soul mate had finally arrived. Truly something really arrived to her life.
There might be many interpretations to this case but they all go down to the same thing: we can not play with such things within the limits given by our "being rational creatures" All that constitutes only a fragment of a wholeness that should be disclosed through discipline and constant endeavour, not a subject to learn but a kind of life to take.
My previous rejection of Western science as a means to understand all these things has to do with all this.
I wonder if its possible to be absolutely fanatical without ever experiencing the freefall of ignorance. or to be devoid of any fanatical belief and still experience life? I get the 'just be' buddha thing, but absolutely getting it would be fanatical
We bind ourselves to things on a minute by minute, even second by second basis, holding to beliefs in the forces of nature and some firmly rooted in fantasy, in order to function within a set of rules that govern our present existence, that appear finite and unforgiving (unless there's a multi-universe with different parametres) ..change gravity one millibit from its present affect and this, our form, no longer functions within it or anywhere for that matter.
Jose13: And coming back to the main subject of this thread:
It is said that because of the connections in reality there are many omens and signs coming to us all the time. Are they pretty obvious? It is also said that the more prepared one gets the more obvious these omens become to someone. Many individuals taking cliches from commercial gurus and people like that might then spend lots of time trying to see these omens, or just following something that means nothing. This is a situation where this type of gurus can not help at all as they also lack that kind of spiritual preparation to understand the language of nature, reality or whatever name we give to "The One" (as somoene used this term here)
Lately I heard a case of a woman who had met the worst nightmare of her life with her husband. A routine-case but it drew my attention when I heard that she was telling the audience that when her father was dying he told her that he wanted to see her happy with a husband :"you will recognise him by his shining eyes" She said later that it was exactly the reason why she felt in love with this man that had brought so much havoc to her life in the end. She said that she had felt strongly that her soul mate had finally arrived. Truly something really arrived to her life.
There might be many interpretations to this case but they all go down to the same thing: we can not play with such things within the limits given by our "being rational creatures" All that constitutes only a fragment of a wholeness that should be disclosed through discipline and constant endeavour, not a subject to learn but a kind of life to take.
My previous rejection of Western science as a means to understand all these things has to do with all this.
Hmmm, firstly comes to mind to ask what you mean by 'western science' is there a difference, isnt science just science in it own inimical quantifiable and qualifiable totality?
The woman you relate to suggests to me that she was living to fulfill her own illusions/delusions, pre conceptions or indoctrination or Fathers will - I only know that what we focus on grows, if we choose a negative mindset then we may well be plagued by its concomitant associations i.e. depressions of one form or another - if we choose (and it is a matter of choice imo) positivity as a measure by which to run our lives, the outcomes may be vastly different
and who said it hurts? I am for absolutes that are not painful, but as life is existential suffering I am willing to accept that I will absolutely be hurt, having chosen that path.
BnaturAl: and who said it hurts? I am for absolutes that are not painful, but as life is existential suffering I am willing to accept that I will absolutely be hurt, having chosen that path. and now for the next noble truth..
The next truth to my way of seeing things is that, with acceptance, stuff neednt necessarily hurt one little iota
BnaturAl: I wonder if its possible to be absolutely fanatical without ever experiencing the freefall of ignorance. or to be devoid of any fanatical belief and still experience life? I get the 'just be' buddha thing, but absolutely getting it would be fanatical
We bind ourselves to things on a minute by minute, even second by second basis, holding to beliefs in the forces of nature and some firmly rooted in fantasy, in order to function within a set of rules that govern our present existence, that appear finite and unforgiving (unless there's a multi-universe with different parametres) ..change gravity one millibit from its present affect and this, our form, no longer functions within it or anywhere for that matter.
quantum fanatics
Fanaticism migth also be -from a pint of view- the action of karma. Bigots do not know ignorance but the repetiton of their lethany and praying. Lies to yourself, lies about yourself too.
Buddhism as not being a religion itself, not a closed set of norms and conclussions has clearly in it, the most simple element against any kind of fanatical belief: to find your way yourself in the end.
Galactic_bodhi: Okay. Not everybody believes in karma or reincarnation. But almost everyone here is a closet romantic, and believes that somewhere out there is "The One".
Lately, from my own religious perspective, I've begun to think that while soul-mates may or may not exist, we do encounter certain people over and over in our journey from birth to death, and back around, and that we are tied together with these people by a web of Karma that stretches back and forward into infinity.
Have you ever met someone you constantly experience deja-vu around? Do you look at their face and see foreign cities you've never been to,at least in this lifetime, and have vague impressions at the edge of your memory of events and conversations with or regarding these people?
Anyone? The floor is now open...
I have met people whom I feel instantly confortable with like I have known them forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jose13: Fanaticism migth also be -from a pint of view- the action of karma. Bigots do not know ignorance but the repetiton of their lethany and praying. Lies to yourself, lies about yourself too.
Buddhism as not being a religion itself, not a closed set of norms and conclussions has clearly in it, the most simple element against any kind of fanatical belief: to find your way yourself in the end.
Karma Shmarma ... doesn't operate within the parametres of my wisdom, but may for others. Lending thought and nurturing rethoughts as well as acceptance to such notions grows them exponentially.
know all about buddha .. he's my lost hero. he'll have to find his own way back too
trish123: Hmmm, firstly comes to mind to ask what you mean by 'western science' is there a difference, isnt science just science in it own inimical quantifiable and qualifiable totality?
The woman you relate to suggests to me that she was living to fulfill her own illusions/delusions, pre conceptions or indoctrination or Fathers will - I only know that what we focus on grows, if we choose a negative mindset then we may well be plagued by its concomitant associations i.e. depressions of one form or another - if we choose (and it is a matter of choice imo) positivity as a measure by which to run our lives, the outcomes may be vastly different
The concept of Western Science is limted -in my view- to what has been yielded by the history of Western Civilization -if we accept a concept like that- It is a long subject but it can be intuitively understood if we contrast other civlizations that stressed the necessity of other kind of life and knowledge, within the flawed human framework of course -most of them destroyed by the fire and greed from the West- to the West itself. Those generated a completely different type of knowledge while the West generated that type of thing - I refer to as Western science- whose mature form we can see now. Spiritual fathom versus logics and physical sensoriality. Wholeness versus reality broken down in little pieces, quest for life versus quest for greed (progress)
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Freefall isnt so scarry after a while