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Jun 30, 2008 2:57 PM CST Reincarnation and Soul-mates
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
BnaturAl: without absolutes you defintely fall through open floors, gravity being absolutely unforgiving in this manner.... on your head even


Freefall isnt so scarry after a while wave
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Jun 30, 2008 3:06 PM CST Reincarnation and Soul-mates
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
BnaturAl: without absolutes you defintely fall through open floors, gravity being absolutely unforgiving in this manner.... on your head even


And what do we land on thats hurtful if nothing is absolute...

A relatively hard piece of nothing?
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Jun 30, 2008 3:09 PM CST Reincarnation and Soul-mates
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: And what do we land on thats hurtful if nothing is absolute...

A relatively hard piece of nothing?


we land on our expectations as you know laugh
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Jun 30, 2008 3:11 PM CST Reincarnation and Soul-mates
Jose13
Jose13Jose13Azángaro, Puno Peru24 Threads 440 Posts
trish123: Coincidences are a funny thing too - how did they ever get to have that name - think I will just get the dictionary def of that........

ah, the dictionary says "without obvious causal connection." hmmm, I wonder how many of us have been searching for these causal connections for years and overlooking the obvious


And coming back to the main subject of this thread:

It is said that because of the connections in reality there are many omens and signs coming to us all the time. Are they pretty obvious? It is also said that the more prepared one gets the more obvious these omens become to someone. Many individuals taking cliches from commercial gurus and people like that might then spend lots of time trying to see these omens, or just following something that means nothing. This is a situation where this type of gurus can not help at all as they also lack that kind of spiritual preparation to understand the language of nature, reality or whatever name we give to "The One" (as somoene used this term here)

Lately I heard a case of a woman who had met the worst nightmare of her life with her husband. A routine-case but it drew my attention when I heard that she was telling the audience that when her father was dying he told her that he wanted to see her happy with a husband :"you will recognise him by his shining eyes" She said later that it was exactly the reason why she felt in love with this man that had brought so much havoc to her life in the end. She said that she had felt strongly that her soul mate had finally arrived. Truly something really arrived to her life.

There might be many interpretations to this case but they all go down to the same thing: we can not play with such things within the limits given by our "being rational creatures" All that constitutes only a fragment of a wholeness that should be disclosed through discipline and constant endeavour, not a subject to learn but a kind of life to take.

My previous rejection of Western science as a means to understand all these things has to do with all this.beer
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Jun 30, 2008 3:20 PM CST Reincarnation and Soul-mates
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
I wonder if its possible to be absolutely fanatical without ever experiencing the freefall of ignorance. confused or to be devoid of any fanatical belief and still experience life? I get the 'just be' buddha thing, but absolutely getting it would be fanatical giggle

We bind ourselves to things on a minute by minute, even second by second basis, holding to beliefs in the forces of nature and some firmly rooted in fantasy, in order to function within a set of rules that govern our present existence, that appear finite and unforgiving (unless there's a multi-universe with different parametres) ..change gravity one millibit from its present affect and this, our form, no longer functions within it or anywhere for that matter.

quantum fanatics tongue



applause cheers
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Jun 30, 2008 3:20 PM CST Reincarnation and Soul-mates
trish123: Freefall isnt so scarry after a while
If you have more than 9.81 meters to go,otherwise it's CONTACT in about a Second!rolling on the floor laughing laugh wave

Hi Trishwave
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Jun 30, 2008 3:23 PM CST Reincarnation and Soul-mates
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Jose13: And coming back to the main subject of this thread:

It is said that because of the connections in reality there are many omens and signs coming to us all the time. Are they pretty obvious? It is also said that the more prepared one gets the more obvious these omens become to someone. Many individuals taking cliches from commercial gurus and people like that might then spend lots of time trying to see these omens, or just following something that means nothing. This is a situation where this type of gurus can not help at all as they also lack that kind of spiritual preparation to understand the language of nature, reality or whatever name we give to "The One" (as somoene used this term here)

Lately I heard a case of a woman who had met the worst nightmare of her life with her husband. A routine-case but it drew my attention when I heard that she was telling the audience that when her father was dying he told her that he wanted to see her happy with a husband :"you will recognise him by his shining eyes" She said later that it was exactly the reason why she felt in love with this man that had brought so much havoc to her life in the end. She said that she had felt strongly that her soul mate had finally arrived. Truly something really arrived to her life.

There might be many interpretations to this case but they all go down to the same thing: we can not play with such things within the limits given by our "being rational creatures" All that constitutes only a fragment of a wholeness that should be disclosed through discipline and constant endeavour, not a subject to learn but a kind of life to take.

My previous rejection of Western science as a means to understand all these things has to do with all this.



Hmmm, firstly comes to mind to ask what you mean by 'western science' is there a difference, isnt science just science in it own inimical quantifiable and qualifiable totality?

The woman you relate to suggests to me that she was living to fulfill her own illusions/delusions, pre conceptions or indoctrination or Fathers will - I only know that what we focus on grows, if we choose a negative mindset then we may well be plagued by its concomitant associations i.e. depressions of one form or another - if we choose (and it is a matter of choice imo) positivity as a measure by which to run our lives, the outcomes may be vastly different dunno
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Jun 30, 2008 3:24 PM CST Reincarnation and Soul-mates
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
trish123: we land on our expectations as you know


laugh rolling on the floor laughing

and who said it hurts? I am for absolutes that are not painful, but as life is existential suffering I am willing to accept that I will absolutely be hurt, having chosen that path.


and now for the next noble truth.. applause
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Jun 30, 2008 3:24 PM CST Reincarnation and Soul-mates
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Conrad73: If you have more than 9.81 meters to go,otherwise it's CONTACT in about a Second!

Hi Trish



Hey Conrad wave hug
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Jun 30, 2008 3:26 PM CST Reincarnation and Soul-mates
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
BnaturAl: and who said it hurts? I am for absolutes that are not painful, but as life is existential suffering I am willing to accept that I will absolutely be hurt, having chosen that path. and now for the next noble truth..



The next truth to my way of seeing things is that, with acceptance, stuff neednt necessarily hurt one little iota laugh wave
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Jun 30, 2008 3:26 PM CST Reincarnation and Soul-mates
Jose13
Jose13Jose13Azángaro, Puno Peru24 Threads 440 Posts
BnaturAl: I wonder if its possible to be absolutely fanatical without ever experiencing the freefall of ignorance. or to be devoid of any fanatical belief and still experience life? I get the 'just be' buddha thing, but absolutely getting it would be fanatical

We bind ourselves to things on a minute by minute, even second by second basis, holding to beliefs in the forces of nature and some firmly rooted in fantasy, in order to function within a set of rules that govern our present existence, that appear finite and unforgiving (unless there's a multi-universe with different parametres) ..change gravity one millibit from its present affect and this, our form, no longer functions within it or anywhere for that matter.

quantum fanatics

Fanaticism migth also be -from a pint of view- the action of karma. Bigots do not know ignorance but the repetiton of their lethany and praying. Lies to yourself, lies about yourself too.

Buddhism as not being a religion itself, not a closed set of norms and conclussions has clearly in it, the most simple element against any kind of fanatical belief: to find your way yourself in the end.

cheers
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Jun 30, 2008 3:29 PM CST Reincarnation and Soul-mates
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: Well, gravity is electrical is it not?

Shocking!


laugh sometimes I get that centrifugal aquarius feeling from you bodhi... banana


thumbs up
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Jun 30, 2008 3:33 PM CST Reincarnation and Soul-mates
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
trish123: The next truth to my way of seeing things is that, with acceptance, stuff neednt necessarily hurt one little iota


now theres a thought ... buddha would be proud I'm sure ... not that I would know his experience of same ... angel

soooo, we take away all the hurt, all the joy ...anything that bespeaks of that confounding nonsensical karma factor and what have you got? life!!!
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Jun 30, 2008 3:33 PM CST Reincarnation and Soul-mates
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
BnaturAl: sometimes I get that centrifugal aquarius feeling from you bodhi...


Both sun and venus are in Aquarius for me...

Never heard it called centrifugal though...laugh
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Jun 30, 2008 3:35 PM CST Reincarnation and Soul-mates
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
trish123: The next truth to my way of seeing things is that, with acceptance, stuff neednt necessarily hurt one little iota


it really is a matter of preconceptions, expectations and of course, ego dancing
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Jun 30, 2008 3:36 PM CST Reincarnation and Soul-mates
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: Okay. Not everybody believes in karma or reincarnation. But almost everyone here is a closet romantic, and believes that somewhere out there is "The One".

Lately, from my own religious perspective, I've begun to think that while soul-mates may or may not exist, we do encounter certain people over and over in our journey from birth to death, and back around, and that we are tied together with these people by a web of Karma that stretches back and forward into infinity.

Have you ever met someone you constantly experience deja-vu around? Do you look at their face and see foreign cities you've never been to,at least in this lifetime, and have vague impressions at the edge of your memory of events and conversations with or regarding these people?

Anyone? The floor is now open...



I have met people whom I feel instantly confortable with like I have known them forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!


wine
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Jun 30, 2008 3:37 PM CST Reincarnation and Soul-mates
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
BnaturAl: now theres a thought ... buddha would be proud I'm sure ... not that I would know his experience of same ...

soooo, we take away all the hurt, all the joy ...anything that bespeaks of that confounding nonsensical karma factor and what have you got? life!!!


Yes, but the Tao Te Ching can bring lots of perspective to the lonesome travellor hug
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Jun 30, 2008 3:39 PM CST Reincarnation and Soul-mates
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
Jose13: Fanaticism migth also be -from a pint of view- the action of karma. Bigots do not know ignorance but the repetiton of their lethany and praying. Lies to yourself, lies about yourself too.

Buddhism as not being a religion itself, not a closed set of norms and conclussions has clearly in it, the most simple element against any kind of fanatical belief: to find your way yourself in the end.


Karma Shmarma ... doesn't operate within the parametres of my wisdom, but may for others. Lending thought and nurturing rethoughts as well as acceptance to such notions grows them exponentially.

know all about buddha .. he's my lost hero. yay he'll have to find his own way back too wink
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Jun 30, 2008 3:40 PM CST Reincarnation and Soul-mates
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: I have met people whom I feel instantly confortable with like I have known them forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Hiya Hugzz - am I glad to see you laugh hug teddybear bouquet
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Jun 30, 2008 3:40 PM CST Reincarnation and Soul-mates
Jose13
Jose13Jose13Azángaro, Puno Peru24 Threads 440 Posts
trish123: Hmmm, firstly comes to mind to ask what you mean by 'western science' is there a difference, isnt science just science in it own inimical quantifiable and qualifiable totality?

The woman you relate to suggests to me that she was living to fulfill her own illusions/delusions, pre conceptions or indoctrination or Fathers will - I only know that what we focus on grows, if we choose a negative mindset then we may well be plagued by its concomitant associations i.e. depressions of one form or another - if we choose (and it is a matter of choice imo) positivity as a measure by which to run our lives, the outcomes may be vastly different



The concept of Western Science is limted -in my view- to what has been yielded by the history of Western Civilization -if we accept a concept like that-
It is a long subject but it can be intuitively understood if we contrast other civlizations that stressed the necessity of other kind of life and knowledge, within the flawed human framework of course -most of them destroyed by the fire and greed from the West- to the West itself.
Those generated a completely different type of knowledge while the West generated that type of thing - I refer to as Western science- whose mature form we can see now. Spiritual fathom versus logics and physical sensoriality. Wholeness versus reality broken down in little pieces, quest for life versus quest for greed (progress)
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