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SusieRR: Obama supports stem cell research.
Adult stem cell research is on going. The reason you never hear about that is because private investors are funding that research. The reason that private investors are involved is because there are already cures with this research so there is money to be made.
Embryonic stem cell researchers need government funding because there are no cures now or anywhere in the forseeable future from this type. Since this country is in such sound financial shape, let's throw more of our tax dollars away.
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ttom500: Dude ever hear teh term...."statue of limitations"? KNow where it some from?
The historic Jewish nation every 6 years had a year of Jublation.
Means that debts and trespasses are forgiven and gone.
Here our statute of limitations is 7 years, Means that the gov't cannot convict you of anything other that major capital crime...murder....if it older than 7 years.
So having said that how does that relate to John McCain?
What you are talking about happen over 30 years ago. Done gone
even his ex wife....says he is a good man.
We don't hold such things against our people Dude. You may. And other foreign far lefts that like to come into our political process to render judgement and accusation. But we don't.....we are Americans
and we respect each other.
The historic Jewish nation every 6 years had a year of Jublation.
Means that debts and trespasses are forgiven and gone.
Here our statute of limitations is 7 years, Means that the gov't cannot convict you of anything other that major capital crime...murder....if it older than 7 years.
So having said that how does that relate to John McCain?
What you are talking about happen over 30 years ago. Done gone
even his ex wife....says he is a good man.
We don't hold such things against our people Dude. You may. And other foreign far lefts that like to come into our political process to render judgement and accusation. But we don't.....we are Americans
and we respect each other.
Of course you are a forgivable kind of people TT! As if you never talk a bout a kid lived in an islamic country because of his step father and went to a school there for two years....more than fourty years ago or trying to connect the same guy in contact with weather under ground even he was eight that time or a lot more true signs of Forgiveness amoung repubes.......... Really truely a nation of forgiveness and not mentioning things which are not mentionable at all !And of course you are never talking about the mans middle name given to him by his father and still 40 procent of americans deeply beleive he is a Muslim as if even if he was a Muslim, that alone would make him not being electable! So full of forgiveness in deed TT!
Be sure TT.... your McCain acted really Nasty agaisnt his wife and his children, left her that way even she had faught for him all those years he was a POW in Vietnam........His act against his family is not admirable at all and that same thing in his life makes many people forgetting all about him being a Hero or not!
I know it has been hard not going after a 17 years old girl as Cindy but still......A Hero going in bed with his lover when Wife is at home and sick? Doing that for a long time before he tells it to his wife......to the mother of his children? And now all of a sudden the Winds of forgivness are blasing all over the Repube movement?
Statue of limitations???????????????? A bout Republicans only aha TT?
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SusieRR: Obama's Plan to Cover Uninsured Americans: Obama will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress.
Mandatory Coverage of Children: Obama will require that all children have health care coverage. Obama will expand the number of options for young adults to get coverage, including allowing young people up to age 25 to continue coverage through their parents' plans.
It sounds to me like it is optional.
I got that off of his site.
It does not sound bad to me. I do not trust McCain.
Mandatory Coverage of Children: Obama will require that all children have health care coverage. Obama will expand the number of options for young adults to get coverage, including allowing young people up to age 25 to continue coverage through their parents' plans.
It sounds to me like it is optional.
I got that off of his site.
It does not sound bad to me. I do not trust McCain.
All the 'National Plans' have various options of enrollment, Suzie.
The plan Biden's supports has four different options to participate.
But this vastly less than the number of present plans avialable today from health insurance companies. And by law....everyone has to participate in a National Plan.
I am not sure of Obama plan...but it is likely close.
Let me ask you question.....because this is the real problem area.
...beside the cost. Today you go to your doctor, he does a preocedure,
treatment or exam....and bills your health carrier, yes? Yes that is the way it works,
Watch.With a National Health Care program.....
Either you have to pre qualified by the government agent for the treatment, procedure, or exam OR.....you go to the Doctor and have it done.....and he files......Hillaries National Health Care program was 13,000 pages long of regulations, approvals, disclaimers, and such
that would make the management of it complex, costly and time consuming. For good health care.....those claims need to be paid and processed....the reg of a national health care program make them difficult to conduct.
Obama and Biden plans are simplifications of Hillary's plan...on enrollment....the rest is still all there. Understand?
You are talking of one Federal Gov't agency processing a billion+ claims a year. How often do they mess up your income tax?
See a bueacratic night mare coming on claims filing and payments?
You cannot see John McCain as your silver hair Grandfather?:-)
Common Suzie....how can you not love a silver haired old man
that reminds you of your grandfather?
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Hot_Single_Dude: Of course you are a forgivable kind of people TT! As if you never talk a bout a kid lived in an islamic country because of his step father and went to a school there for two years....more than fourty years ago or trying to connect the same guy in contact with weather under ground even he was eight that time or a lot more true signs of Forgiveness amoung repubes.......... Really truely a nation of forgiveness and not mentioning things which are not mentionable at all !And of course you are never talking about the mans middle name given to him by his father and still 40 procent of americans deeply beleive he is a Muslim as if even if he was a Muslim, that alone would make him not being electable! So full of forgiveness in deed TT!
Be sure TT.... your McCain acted really Nasty agaisnt his wife and his children, left her that way even she had faught for him all those years he was a POW in Vietnam........His act against his family is not admirable at all and that same thing in his life makes many people forgetting all about him being a Hero or not!
I know it has been hard not going after a 17 years old girl as Cindy but still......A Hero going in bed with his lover when Wife is at home and sick? Doing that for a long time before he tells it to his wife......to the mother of his children? And now all of a sudden the Winds of forgivness are blasing all over the Repube movement?
Statue of limitations???????????????? A bout Republicans only aha TT?
Be sure TT.... your McCain acted really Nasty agaisnt his wife and his children, left her that way even she had faught for him all those years he was a POW in Vietnam........His act against his family is not admirable at all and that same thing in his life makes many people forgetting all about him being a Hero or not!
I know it has been hard not going after a 17 years old girl as Cindy but still......A Hero going in bed with his lover when Wife is at home and sick? Doing that for a long time before he tells it to his wife......to the mother of his children? And now all of a sudden the Winds of forgivness are blasing all over the Repube movement?
Statue of limitations???????????????? A bout Republicans only aha TT?
I am in a good mood, Dude....why did you have to go spoil it with an attack on McCain.
Well your lose if you don't understand the concept and practice it.
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Well Tom here is a comparison of the 2 plans,
Obama health plan outperforms McCain plan in coverage and efficiency
Senators John McCain and Barack Obama have presented very different plans to reform health care in the United States. Last week, the Urban Institute/Brookings Institution Tax Policy Center (TPC) provided what appears to be the first evaluation of each plan's effect on costs and coverage outcomes.1 While the TPC findings are preliminary, there is a wealth of information contained in them; some of their implications, however, may not be immediately apparent even to those relatively well-versed in the U.S. health care debates. The punch lines of the TPC analysis can be stated relatively simply:
* Efficiency. Over the 10-year period analyzed by the TPC, Senator Obama's plan provides far greater "bang-for-the-buck," spending far less per capita for its coverage of the uninsured population.
* Cost. The costs of the plans over the 10-year period are in the same ballpark: the Obama plan costs roughly $1.6 trillion, while the McCain plan costs $1.3 trillion (the Obama plan spends roughly 20% more than McCain’s).
* Coverage. The Obama plan makes a much bigger dent in covering the uninsured population. On average over the 10-year period, the Obama plan covers over 47% of the forecasted uninsured population, while the McCain plan covers less than 5% .
Over the 10-year period, McCain's plan spends roughly seven times more (per capita) than Obama’s to cover each of the forecasted uninsured, a huge difference in the "bang-for-the-buck" each plan provides in expanding health coverage . The difference in outcomes is not particularly surprising, as the two plans are very different in conception.
* Obama’s plan proposes building upon the existing system of employer-sponsored insurance (ESI) and expanding the government's role in providing insurance for those without access through their employer. This broader federal role includes both an expansion of existing public insurance programs (widening eligibility for Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program) as well as the creation of a new federally run insurance pool that will offer coverage (at premiums unaffected by health status) to those who either do not receive ESI or are not eligible for existing public plans. Obama’s plan also provides subsidies to ensure affordability, and largely leaves the present tax treatment of health insurance premiums intact.
* McCain’s plan would eliminate the existing income tax exclusion for health insurance premiums paid through employers and would replace it with a direct, refundable tax credit. This change sets off a cascade of decision-making by firms and employees, the net effect of which would be to erode some of the incentives that employers and employees have to tie health care benefits to job-based compensation and encourage health care purchase through the individual market. It would also provide incentives for people to buy less comprehensive insurance coverage.
* The Obama plan's costs rise in dollar terms over the full period, but essentially keep pace with national health care spending for most of the 10-year window.
* The McCain plan's costs start quite a bit higher than Obama's (spending twice as much in the first year of implementation) and then dwindle. This pattern largely reflects the fact that the value of the tax credit to buy health insurance will erode over time, as the pace of health insurance premium growth exceeds the rate at which the credit will rise. Thus, the value of the tax benefit will eventually be overwhelmed by higher costs for insurance premiums.
Obama health plan outperforms McCain plan in coverage and efficiency
Senators John McCain and Barack Obama have presented very different plans to reform health care in the United States. Last week, the Urban Institute/Brookings Institution Tax Policy Center (TPC) provided what appears to be the first evaluation of each plan's effect on costs and coverage outcomes.1 While the TPC findings are preliminary, there is a wealth of information contained in them; some of their implications, however, may not be immediately apparent even to those relatively well-versed in the U.S. health care debates. The punch lines of the TPC analysis can be stated relatively simply:
* Efficiency. Over the 10-year period analyzed by the TPC, Senator Obama's plan provides far greater "bang-for-the-buck," spending far less per capita for its coverage of the uninsured population.
* Cost. The costs of the plans over the 10-year period are in the same ballpark: the Obama plan costs roughly $1.6 trillion, while the McCain plan costs $1.3 trillion (the Obama plan spends roughly 20% more than McCain’s).
* Coverage. The Obama plan makes a much bigger dent in covering the uninsured population. On average over the 10-year period, the Obama plan covers over 47% of the forecasted uninsured population, while the McCain plan covers less than 5% .
Over the 10-year period, McCain's plan spends roughly seven times more (per capita) than Obama’s to cover each of the forecasted uninsured, a huge difference in the "bang-for-the-buck" each plan provides in expanding health coverage . The difference in outcomes is not particularly surprising, as the two plans are very different in conception.
* Obama’s plan proposes building upon the existing system of employer-sponsored insurance (ESI) and expanding the government's role in providing insurance for those without access through their employer. This broader federal role includes both an expansion of existing public insurance programs (widening eligibility for Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program) as well as the creation of a new federally run insurance pool that will offer coverage (at premiums unaffected by health status) to those who either do not receive ESI or are not eligible for existing public plans. Obama’s plan also provides subsidies to ensure affordability, and largely leaves the present tax treatment of health insurance premiums intact.
* McCain’s plan would eliminate the existing income tax exclusion for health insurance premiums paid through employers and would replace it with a direct, refundable tax credit. This change sets off a cascade of decision-making by firms and employees, the net effect of which would be to erode some of the incentives that employers and employees have to tie health care benefits to job-based compensation and encourage health care purchase through the individual market. It would also provide incentives for people to buy less comprehensive insurance coverage.
* The Obama plan's costs rise in dollar terms over the full period, but essentially keep pace with national health care spending for most of the 10-year window.
* The McCain plan's costs start quite a bit higher than Obama's (spending twice as much in the first year of implementation) and then dwindle. This pattern largely reflects the fact that the value of the tax credit to buy health insurance will erode over time, as the pace of health insurance premium growth exceeds the rate at which the credit will rise. Thus, the value of the tax benefit will eventually be overwhelmed by higher costs for insurance premiums.
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ttom500: Maybe Dude.....but if we do.....we take the moral high ground as a prize. I will let you think about that.
Moral High Ground as a Prize? You got to be kidding me TT
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How often do they mess up your income tax?
See a bueacratic night mare coming on claims filing and payments?
You cannot see John McCain as your silver hair Grandfather?:-)
Common Suzie....how can you not love a silver haired old man
that reminds you of your grandfather?
Twice I've messed up my tax returns and gotten more back than I had figures.
I think we will continue to disagree on this, I do not trust McCain or any of his "plans" or his VP choice or any of the republicans. They do NOT care about the middle class! YES I believe that Obama does.
What about reversing women's rights? For all women in general, and equal pay for equal work?
Lots of silver-haired old men are absolutely wonderful, this old man I believe is very evil.
See a bueacratic night mare coming on claims filing and payments?
You cannot see John McCain as your silver hair Grandfather?:-)
Common Suzie....how can you not love a silver haired old man
that reminds you of your grandfather?
Twice I've messed up my tax returns and gotten more back than I had figures.
I think we will continue to disagree on this, I do not trust McCain or any of his "plans" or his VP choice or any of the republicans. They do NOT care about the middle class! YES I believe that Obama does.
What about reversing women's rights? For all women in general, and equal pay for equal work?
Lots of silver-haired old men are absolutely wonderful, this old man I believe is very evil.
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This one is from a medically oriented site
McCain; coverage for the uninsured:
Provide a variety of insurance choices, nationwide and across state lines, for people to choose from.
Offer tax credits of $2,500 and $5,000 for families to help pay for coverage.
Establish a Guaranteed Access Plan (GAP) by working with governors to develop a model that states could follow to assure high-risk patients have access to health coverage.
Medical costs:
Encourage greater competition by allowing insurers to operate nationwide. Allow families to be in charge of their health care costs and encourage market solutions such as walk-in clinics in retail outlets. Require transparency to compare prices and outcomes.
Obamas; coverage for the uninsured:
His plan would provide universal health care coverage through federal and free-market solutions.
Mandate health care coverage for all children.
Would create new public program for the uninsured.
Offer small businesses a refundable tax credit of up to 50% on premiums paid by business for employees.
medical costs:
Puts focus on prevention, managing chronic conditions, and more efficient and increased use of information technology.
Encourage transparency to allow price shopping.
McCain; coverage for the uninsured:
Provide a variety of insurance choices, nationwide and across state lines, for people to choose from.
Offer tax credits of $2,500 and $5,000 for families to help pay for coverage.
Establish a Guaranteed Access Plan (GAP) by working with governors to develop a model that states could follow to assure high-risk patients have access to health coverage.
Medical costs:
Encourage greater competition by allowing insurers to operate nationwide. Allow families to be in charge of their health care costs and encourage market solutions such as walk-in clinics in retail outlets. Require transparency to compare prices and outcomes.
Obamas; coverage for the uninsured:
His plan would provide universal health care coverage through federal and free-market solutions.
Mandate health care coverage for all children.
Would create new public program for the uninsured.
Offer small businesses a refundable tax credit of up to 50% on premiums paid by business for employees.
medical costs:
Puts focus on prevention, managing chronic conditions, and more efficient and increased use of information technology.
Encourage transparency to allow price shopping.
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Hi Suzie, glad to meet you, great posts by the way. 
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Skybow: Hi Suzie, glad to meet you, great posts by the way.
thanks glad to meet you too.
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ttom500: I am in a good mood, Dude....why did you have to go spoil it with an attack on McCain.
Well your lose if you don't understand the concept and practice it.
Well your lose if you don't understand the concept and practice it.
Why? Because you must becoming able to condumn Infidelity one day TT!!!!!!!!!
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Continue:
Mediocre public transportation: Public transportation is rarely on time, and rarely completely effective. If you depend on public transportation to get to you job in the morning, you had bettter be prepared to do a lot of sincere apologizing to your boss, who will not be amused that you regularly arrive 15 or 30 minutes late for work. [Furthermore, during the socialist years (1993-2001), collective transportation recieved major financial subsidies from the government (unsurprisingly). One of the major companies providing public transport - Combus - was on the brink of brankruptcy in the late 1990's. The Socialists' answer to this was to pump even more tax money into the bus company - a total of 600 million DKr over a span of 2 years. Even despite this massive aid package, the company went bankrupt shortly thereafter. The minister (Sonja Mikkelsen) in charge of public transport - and thus this enormous subsidy - was never charged with the dismal misuse of taxpayer money.]
How 'bout this: you go fix YOUR NATION and then you can feel free to come criticize OURS!
Mediocre public transportation: Public transportation is rarely on time, and rarely completely effective. If you depend on public transportation to get to you job in the morning, you had bettter be prepared to do a lot of sincere apologizing to your boss, who will not be amused that you regularly arrive 15 or 30 minutes late for work. [Furthermore, during the socialist years (1993-2001), collective transportation recieved major financial subsidies from the government (unsurprisingly). One of the major companies providing public transport - Combus - was on the brink of brankruptcy in the late 1990's. The Socialists' answer to this was to pump even more tax money into the bus company - a total of 600 million DKr over a span of 2 years. Even despite this massive aid package, the company went bankrupt shortly thereafter. The minister (Sonja Mikkelsen) in charge of public transport - and thus this enormous subsidy - was never charged with the dismal misuse of taxpayer money.]
How 'bout this: you go fix YOUR NATION and then you can feel free to come criticize OURS!
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The more that the American people look to the government to "help" us with our problems, the more dependent we become on the government. The more we depend on them, the more freedom is stripped from us.
So a government sponsored health care plan is going to be voluntary? Sure it is. Just like Social Security and Medicare tax is voluntary. We are handing our freedoms to the wolves on a silver platter.
Unless people wake up and take back personal responsibility and accountability, we are doomed as a nation.
So a government sponsored health care plan is going to be voluntary? Sure it is. Just like Social Security and Medicare tax is voluntary. We are handing our freedoms to the wolves on a silver platter.
Unless people wake up and take back personal responsibility and accountability, we are doomed as a nation.
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Dave both candidates plan to change the current health care coverage plan, it's a matter of really looking at the plans to evaluate which one will serve Americans better, not a matter of one proposing a change in the plan and one not proposing a change.
I've seen for myself that what we have now is not sufficient, too many people, family's, children and individuals cannot afford basic medical care. Often they flood emergency rooms for things that should be taken care of by personal care physicians, coverage they cannot afford.
I've seen for myself that what we have now is not sufficient, too many people, family's, children and individuals cannot afford basic medical care. Often they flood emergency rooms for things that should be taken care of by personal care physicians, coverage they cannot afford.
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Sarah's record,
Debt Service Increased 69 Percent Under Palin. In fiscal 2003—the last fiscal year Palin approved the budget—the total government debt service was $658,662. In fiscal 1996—the year before Palin took control of the budget—the debt service was $390,385. The increase was 69 percent. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003]
Palin Left Behind Almost $19 Million In Long-Term Debt, Compared to None Before She Was Mayor. In fiscal 2003—the last fiscal year Palin approved the budget—the bonded long-term debt was $18,635,000. In fiscal 1996—the year before Palin took control of the budget—there was no general obligation debt. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003]
Long-Term Debt Was $3000 Per Capita When Palin Left, Compared to None Before She Was Mayor. In fiscal 2003—the last fiscal year Palin approved the budget—the bonded long-term debt per capita was $2,938. In fiscal 1996—the year before Palin took control of the budget—there was no general obligation debt. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003]
When Palin Left Office, 6.24% of Government Spending Was On Debt Service, Compared to None Before She Was Mayor. In fiscal 2003—the last fiscal year Palin approved the budget—the ratio of debt service to general government expenditures was 6.24 percent. There was no long-term debt before she took office. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003]
Government Administrative Spending Increased 48 Percent Under Palin. In fiscal 2003—the last fiscal year Palin approved the
budget—the expenditures of the general government of Wasilla were
$1,899,275. In fiscal 1996—the year before Palin took control of the budget—the expenditures were $1,286,594. The increase was 48 percent. “General government expenditures” covers administration, city council, administrative and management systems. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003]
• Population Increase in that Time Was 37 Percent. In 1996, the population of Wasilla was 4,635. In 2003 it was 6343, an increase of 37 percent. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report
2003]
Total Government Expenditures Increased 63 Percent Under Palin. In fiscal 2003—the last fiscal year Palin approved the budget—the total government expenditures of Wasilla, excluding capital outlays,
were $7,046,325. In fiscal 1996—the year before Palin took control of the budget—the expenditures were $4,317,947. The increase was 63 percent. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003]
City Administration Spending on Outside Professional Services Increased More than 9-Fold Under Palin. In fiscal 2003—the last fiscal year Palin approved the budget—the Wasilla administration spent
$150,500 on professional and technical services. In fiscal 1996—the year before Palin took control of the budget—the administration spent $14,590. The increase was 932 percent. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003, page 39; Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 1996 page 57]
Palin Said She Wanted to Be Known for Running a Government Getting the “Basic Necessities…the Bare Bones.” When she won her election for mayor, Palin said, “A big part of my agenda is cutting out things that are not necessary…What I’m going to be known for is getting the basic necessities, the bare bones that Wasilla has needed for years and years.’’ That means more funding for roads and perhaps less for the local museum, she said. Property taxes in Wasilla are now 2 mills, or $ 2 for each $ 1,000 in assessed value. The mayor’s job paid $68,000 a year. [Anchorage Daily News (Alaska), 10/3/96]
Debt Service Increased 69 Percent Under Palin. In fiscal 2003—the last fiscal year Palin approved the budget—the total government debt service was $658,662. In fiscal 1996—the year before Palin took control of the budget—the debt service was $390,385. The increase was 69 percent. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003]
Palin Left Behind Almost $19 Million In Long-Term Debt, Compared to None Before She Was Mayor. In fiscal 2003—the last fiscal year Palin approved the budget—the bonded long-term debt was $18,635,000. In fiscal 1996—the year before Palin took control of the budget—there was no general obligation debt. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003]
Long-Term Debt Was $3000 Per Capita When Palin Left, Compared to None Before She Was Mayor. In fiscal 2003—the last fiscal year Palin approved the budget—the bonded long-term debt per capita was $2,938. In fiscal 1996—the year before Palin took control of the budget—there was no general obligation debt. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003]
When Palin Left Office, 6.24% of Government Spending Was On Debt Service, Compared to None Before She Was Mayor. In fiscal 2003—the last fiscal year Palin approved the budget—the ratio of debt service to general government expenditures was 6.24 percent. There was no long-term debt before she took office. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003]
Government Administrative Spending Increased 48 Percent Under Palin. In fiscal 2003—the last fiscal year Palin approved the
budget—the expenditures of the general government of Wasilla were
$1,899,275. In fiscal 1996—the year before Palin took control of the budget—the expenditures were $1,286,594. The increase was 48 percent. “General government expenditures” covers administration, city council, administrative and management systems. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003]
• Population Increase in that Time Was 37 Percent. In 1996, the population of Wasilla was 4,635. In 2003 it was 6343, an increase of 37 percent. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report
2003]
Total Government Expenditures Increased 63 Percent Under Palin. In fiscal 2003—the last fiscal year Palin approved the budget—the total government expenditures of Wasilla, excluding capital outlays,
were $7,046,325. In fiscal 1996—the year before Palin took control of the budget—the expenditures were $4,317,947. The increase was 63 percent. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003]
City Administration Spending on Outside Professional Services Increased More than 9-Fold Under Palin. In fiscal 2003—the last fiscal year Palin approved the budget—the Wasilla administration spent
$150,500 on professional and technical services. In fiscal 1996—the year before Palin took control of the budget—the administration spent $14,590. The increase was 932 percent. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003, page 39; Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 1996 page 57]
Palin Said She Wanted to Be Known for Running a Government Getting the “Basic Necessities…the Bare Bones.” When she won her election for mayor, Palin said, “A big part of my agenda is cutting out things that are not necessary…What I’m going to be known for is getting the basic necessities, the bare bones that Wasilla has needed for years and years.’’ That means more funding for roads and perhaps less for the local museum, she said. Property taxes in Wasilla are now 2 mills, or $ 2 for each $ 1,000 in assessed value. The mayor’s job paid $68,000 a year. [Anchorage Daily News (Alaska), 10/3/96]
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The first thing to be said here is this
The Brookings is a liberal left wing think tank.
And sure...McCain is bascially saying......make your own choice on your health care provider, insurance company....be an adult and take care of your own responisbilities.
Why do you want the government to hold your hand and some 300 million other American hands when it comes to Health Care? Do you see the gov't owning you?
Sky..the number of times that the gov't has held my hand ..... well....bad things usually ended up happening.....it was bad food, loosey uniforms, long walks and living with 40 other guys.
You don't see National Health Care as a first step down a road
to National Education....National Training.....National Relocation.....National Housing........etc.etc.etc.? Eg to socialism?
Place it up on the question of is it the 'right thing' to do for moment?
Before citing stastics from a liberal institution about how good it is.
Do we want to take another step to socialism? Because no matter how you explain it, it is. No matter how you massage it, it is.
You say it is fair .....all Americans are being entered into the program.
All American are being forced into the program, I say. What about the person today that has a good plan.....he likes it...it is low cost...and effective. Is it fair to him....when you dump him into a group of 300m...with the gov't paperwork that will come from such a massive undertaking that screws up his heart surgery billings...or his cancer treatments medications. Because medical repayments from the gov't agencies are slow and messed up. Or that new inexpereince low cost pharmancy aid they got messed it up. Now it not so fair. People are dieing for your National Health Care plan.
I am speaking from some first hand expreince here. Several years ago my father went thru a triple by pass....they had the insurance to cover most of it....but had those bills been late in being handled....in our society the service is ended. In several month he ran up....$135K
in bills.
So you want me to trust the Federal gov't with my parent's health and medicare billing when it cannot even get the earmarks of congress corrected? or offshore drilling right? or the irs codes?
Look at the regs they put on the IRS? on Fannie Mae and Mac? On
anything that they touch. And now tell me that National Helath Care will be as simple as credit card? Sky you are dreaming. 13,000 pages was Hillary National Health Care Plan.....and Barak has you thinking that it will be a simple process without gov't middle men and agents? with out more approvals for emergency procedures?More paperwork than we have trees in our forest?
Think I am wrong. Ever go to a VA hospital? They shuffle you from one department to the next. You wait in lines for hours. As the paper work comes or goes to get a simple blood test. I got better things to do, than sit thru such to get a blood test or to have minor surgery. You may like that Sky....I don' know. I don't, I do know.
Lastly find in the Constitution of the United States anything that gives it the power to set up a National Health Care system. About the closest thing you have is the term....to "improve the welfare of the people"...it is a real stretch to go to a National Health Care system on that. But there is nothing direct and on point in the Constitution to it.
Sky you got more in the Consitution to private gun ownership, than you do a National Health Care program.
Barak could win me here....if he said....get your own insurance provider, doctor, and we will submsidize the cost or pick up part of the tab. But that is not what he is saying. He is saying be part of this massive group.........let us make the decisions for you.
Nite all.
The Brookings is a liberal left wing think tank.
And sure...McCain is bascially saying......make your own choice on your health care provider, insurance company....be an adult and take care of your own responisbilities.
Why do you want the government to hold your hand and some 300 million other American hands when it comes to Health Care? Do you see the gov't owning you?
Sky..the number of times that the gov't has held my hand ..... well....bad things usually ended up happening.....it was bad food, loosey uniforms, long walks and living with 40 other guys.
You don't see National Health Care as a first step down a road
to National Education....National Training.....National Relocation.....National Housing........etc.etc.etc.? Eg to socialism?
Place it up on the question of is it the 'right thing' to do for moment?
Before citing stastics from a liberal institution about how good it is.
Do we want to take another step to socialism? Because no matter how you explain it, it is. No matter how you massage it, it is.
You say it is fair .....all Americans are being entered into the program.
All American are being forced into the program, I say. What about the person today that has a good plan.....he likes it...it is low cost...and effective. Is it fair to him....when you dump him into a group of 300m...with the gov't paperwork that will come from such a massive undertaking that screws up his heart surgery billings...or his cancer treatments medications. Because medical repayments from the gov't agencies are slow and messed up. Or that new inexpereince low cost pharmancy aid they got messed it up. Now it not so fair. People are dieing for your National Health Care plan.
I am speaking from some first hand expreince here. Several years ago my father went thru a triple by pass....they had the insurance to cover most of it....but had those bills been late in being handled....in our society the service is ended. In several month he ran up....$135K
in bills.
So you want me to trust the Federal gov't with my parent's health and medicare billing when it cannot even get the earmarks of congress corrected? or offshore drilling right? or the irs codes?
Look at the regs they put on the IRS? on Fannie Mae and Mac? On
anything that they touch. And now tell me that National Helath Care will be as simple as credit card? Sky you are dreaming. 13,000 pages was Hillary National Health Care Plan.....and Barak has you thinking that it will be a simple process without gov't middle men and agents? with out more approvals for emergency procedures?More paperwork than we have trees in our forest?
Think I am wrong. Ever go to a VA hospital? They shuffle you from one department to the next. You wait in lines for hours. As the paper work comes or goes to get a simple blood test. I got better things to do, than sit thru such to get a blood test or to have minor surgery. You may like that Sky....I don' know. I don't, I do know.
Lastly find in the Constitution of the United States anything that gives it the power to set up a National Health Care system. About the closest thing you have is the term....to "improve the welfare of the people"...it is a real stretch to go to a National Health Care system on that. But there is nothing direct and on point in the Constitution to it.
Sky you got more in the Consitution to private gun ownership, than you do a National Health Care program.
Barak could win me here....if he said....get your own insurance provider, doctor, and we will submsidize the cost or pick up part of the tab. But that is not what he is saying. He is saying be part of this massive group.........let us make the decisions for you.
Nite all.
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Skybow: I remember the days before insurance driven medical care was the norm. I think it will need a house cleaning done on that system, for too long the insurance and pharmaceutical company lobbies have been paying off the politicians in Washington, so they can literally make a killing.
Yet you are trusting those same politicians to look out for your best interests now?
Our politicians have one agenda. Getting in power and staying in power. The more dependent they can make us, the longer they can retain power over us.
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Skybow: I remember the days before insurance driven medical care was the norm. I think it will need a house cleaning done on that system, for too long the insurance and pharmaceutical company lobbies have been paying off the politicians in Washington, so they can literally make a killing.
And thats why watching the fabulous documentary made by Michael Moore is a great Eyeopener for americans and for the rest of us as well:
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I have to say I think it is a HUGE mistake and here's why... at least here is one of the main reasons, cause there are about a hundred more...
You know how Congress doles out the money to everyone in appropriations???? And remember last year's list?? Some $3 billion to the Peanut farmers forVOTES, er... warehouses?
How can you entrust a crooked Congress to dole out the money needed for health care, when they have so many votes to buy from all the miscellaneous groups????
You know how Congress doles out the money to everyone in appropriations???? And remember last year's list?? Some $3 billion to the Peanut farmers for
How can you entrust a crooked Congress to dole out the money needed for health care, when they have so many votes to buy from all the miscellaneous groups????
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I read it on a long political questionaire of Obama and Biden. Both said they supported National Health Care.
The plan both builds on and improves our current insurance system, which most Americans continue to rely upon, and leaves Medicare intact for older and disabled Americans. Under the Obama plan, Americans will be able to maintain their current coverage if they choose to