Should we in the west be scared of Russia? (52)
rusty_knight: Russia is a lot better off than 20 years ago.
Pensioners get paid their pensions now (they even get increases) and most workers get paid for their work when they should get paid.
Apparently President Bush Senior promised Gorbechov that if the Berlin wall came down NATO would not be expanded - if true, that promise has been broken.
Can we blame the Russians for not trusting us for wanting to instal early warning/missiles in Poland and the Czech Republic? If we perceive the threat as being Russia why not say so?
Russia is not yet a democracy by our standards (no genuine elections, no genuine free press, still plenty of transparent corruption, dissent stamped on, Chechnya etc), but it has embraced capitalism - trouble was that, at first, a few people got obscenely rich while many others starved and were worse off than under Communism.
The Russian for Democracy when pronounced in a particular way sounds like 'Crapocracy' to them.
Russians are proud people. They seem to prefer a strong leader like Putin compared with a leader who came over as a drunken idiot like Yeltzin.
Russians are used to strong leaders and have never experienced anything like Democracy before.
Have we let Russia/ the Russians down?
Before the cold war ended the Russian leaders were our enemies, but the Russian people liked us...... now the Russian leadership is ambivalent towrds the West, but the Russian people are quite anti us (especially the USA) - quite a sad state of affairs.
Things are certainly better now in Russia than 20 years ago - the birth-rate is actually going up - and indication that people feel positive and more secure about their future.
Should we be scared of Russia? Has Russia reason to be scared of or at least mistrust us?
Pensioners get paid their pensions now (they even get increases) and most workers get paid for their work when they should get paid.
Apparently President Bush Senior promised Gorbechov that if the Berlin wall came down NATO would not be expanded - if true, that promise has been broken.
Can we blame the Russians for not trusting us for wanting to instal early warning/missiles in Poland and the Czech Republic? If we perceive the threat as being Russia why not say so?
Russia is not yet a democracy by our standards (no genuine elections, no genuine free press, still plenty of transparent corruption, dissent stamped on, Chechnya etc), but it has embraced capitalism - trouble was that, at first, a few people got obscenely rich while many others starved and were worse off than under Communism.
The Russian for Democracy when pronounced in a particular way sounds like 'Crapocracy' to them.
Russians are proud people. They seem to prefer a strong leader like Putin compared with a leader who came over as a drunken idiot like Yeltzin.
Russians are used to strong leaders and have never experienced anything like Democracy before.
Have we let Russia/ the Russians down?
Before the cold war ended the Russian leaders were our enemies, but the Russian people liked us...... now the Russian leadership is ambivalent towrds the West, but the Russian people are quite anti us (especially the USA) - quite a sad state of affairs.
Things are certainly better now in Russia than 20 years ago - the birth-rate is actually going up - and indication that people feel positive and more secure about their future.
Should we be scared of Russia? Has Russia reason to be scared of or at least mistrust us?
Better be scared of china.......
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mexikanska: Better be scared of china.......
Hey - one country at a time, please!
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rusty_knight: Russia is a lot better off than 20 years ago.
Pensioners get paid their pensions now (they even get increases) and most workers get paid for their work when they should get paid.
Apparently President Bush Senior promised Gorbechov that if the Berlin wall came down NATO would not be expanded - if true, that promise has been broken.
Can we blame the Russians for not trusting us for wanting to instal early warning/missiles in Poland and the Czech Republic? If we perceive the threat as being Russia why not say so?
Russia is not yet a democracy by our standards (no genuine elections, no genuine free press, still plenty of transparent corruption, dissent stamped on, Chechnya etc), but it has embraced capitalism - trouble was that, at first, a few people got obscenely rich while many others starved and were worse off than under Communism.
The Russian for Democracy when pronounced in a particular way sounds like 'Crapocracy' to them.
Russians are proud people. They seem to prefer a strong leader like Putin compared with a leader who came over as a drunken idiot like Yeltzin.
Russians are used to strong leaders and have never experienced anything like Democracy before.
Have we let Russia/ the Russians down?
Before the cold war ended the Russian leaders were our enemies, but the Russian people liked us...... now the Russian leadership is ambivalent towrds the West, but the Russian people are quite anti us (especially the USA) - quite a sad state of affairs.
Things are certainly better now in Russia than 20 years ago - the birth-rate is actually going up - and indication that people feel positive and more secure about their future.
Should we be scared of Russia? Has Russia reason to be scared of or at least mistrust us?
Pensioners get paid their pensions now (they even get increases) and most workers get paid for their work when they should get paid.
Apparently President Bush Senior promised Gorbechov that if the Berlin wall came down NATO would not be expanded - if true, that promise has been broken.
Can we blame the Russians for not trusting us for wanting to instal early warning/missiles in Poland and the Czech Republic? If we perceive the threat as being Russia why not say so?
Russia is not yet a democracy by our standards (no genuine elections, no genuine free press, still plenty of transparent corruption, dissent stamped on, Chechnya etc), but it has embraced capitalism - trouble was that, at first, a few people got obscenely rich while many others starved and were worse off than under Communism.
The Russian for Democracy when pronounced in a particular way sounds like 'Crapocracy' to them.
Russians are proud people. They seem to prefer a strong leader like Putin compared with a leader who came over as a drunken idiot like Yeltzin.
Russians are used to strong leaders and have never experienced anything like Democracy before.
Have we let Russia/ the Russians down?
Before the cold war ended the Russian leaders were our enemies, but the Russian people liked us...... now the Russian leadership is ambivalent towrds the West, but the Russian people are quite anti us (especially the USA) - quite a sad state of affairs.
Things are certainly better now in Russia than 20 years ago - the birth-rate is actually going up - and indication that people feel positive and more secure about their future.
Should we be scared of Russia? Has Russia reason to be scared of or at least mistrust us?
Really very good spin, Rusty. Bush senior was not in office when the wall came down. President Reagon was. So? Could not have made the promise you mention.
Russian leadership is so ambievant to the west...that it just upgraded it Topol-Ms, wrote a contract with Brazil for a stealth fighter, is putting missiles near the interceptor states, putting electronic jamming near them as well, has played net games with EU countries financial systems, played with the price of Russian crude, and had its own little invasion of a country of recent.
Putin seems to be getting the political power and legislation to return to the Presidency after Medvedev does his turn.....then they can do a another handoff to Medvedev in 4 years times...so Democracy is about kaput there.
Fear Russia? Not here, Rusty. Sure they got nucs....to destroy the US.
But that old mutual self destruction works like a charm on that. It is those Russian T-82s rolling thru Europe that you got to watch for.
If they ever did roll accross a border.....anyone there going to stop them?
As I hear it .....our President elect.....is not big on foreign military deployments. Seems he wants to force increase in Afghanistan. Cannot be two places at one time. Man, Europe is along ways from Afghanistan......I doubt if the calvary will get there in time.
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The Russians paid a heavy price in WW2 for trusting the word of Winston Churchill and they were left high and dry, with the consequence of millions of its citizens dying.
Stalin and everyone else hasn't forgotten the fact, i.e that you cant trust the word and promises that are made to them.
Recent events in Georgia have again proved that we the public have not been told the truth as far as the Georgian episode is concerned.
The citizens of the two regions that wanted independance had Russian citizens (the vast majority who were and are Russian and hold Russian passports).
let's say that someone somewhere decided to start a disinformation campaign to make the Russians look like they were being aggressive, when the truth was they had to go into a region to protect THEIR citizens.
The west has encroached on Russia's borders so much the leadership is very nervous, which is why the Russians invaded Afghanistan to protect its southern borders.
The Russians are a proud honest bunch of people, frankly i like them and they don't have the political correctness down yet, and the way they are portrayed in the West is annoying to put it mildly.
Add to that Europe is now dependant on Russian oil and gas reserves, it has to protect its financial interests and be able to back the system up militarily. if they didn't they would have to be incompetant, especially in the wake of recent American Foreign policy, thanks to frankly a campaign against Russia thats been going on since the second world war.
if you trust a politician, frankly your an idiot.....and the Russians learned the hard way.
They were crapped on from a great height remember, and 20-22 million of them died as a result.These facts and the fact that the red army finished WW2 are always overlooked.
Historically, parts of europe crapped on them time and time again...and now, in the time of fossil fuel dependance, they are now holding the cards, and will have the means to ensure nobody will mess with them.
Stalin and everyone else hasn't forgotten the fact, i.e that you cant trust the word and promises that are made to them.
Recent events in Georgia have again proved that we the public have not been told the truth as far as the Georgian episode is concerned.
The citizens of the two regions that wanted independance had Russian citizens (the vast majority who were and are Russian and hold Russian passports).
let's say that someone somewhere decided to start a disinformation campaign to make the Russians look like they were being aggressive, when the truth was they had to go into a region to protect THEIR citizens.
The west has encroached on Russia's borders so much the leadership is very nervous, which is why the Russians invaded Afghanistan to protect its southern borders.
The Russians are a proud honest bunch of people, frankly i like them and they don't have the political correctness down yet, and the way they are portrayed in the West is annoying to put it mildly.
Add to that Europe is now dependant on Russian oil and gas reserves, it has to protect its financial interests and be able to back the system up militarily. if they didn't they would have to be incompetant, especially in the wake of recent American Foreign policy, thanks to frankly a campaign against Russia thats been going on since the second world war.
if you trust a politician, frankly your an idiot.....and the Russians learned the hard way.
They were crapped on from a great height remember, and 20-22 million of them died as a result.These facts and the fact that the red army finished WW2 are always overlooked.
Historically, parts of europe crapped on them time and time again...and now, in the time of fossil fuel dependance, they are now holding the cards, and will have the means to ensure nobody will mess with them.
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RobbieM: The Russians paid a heavy price in WW2 for trusting the word of Winston Churchill and they were left high and dry, with the consequence of millions of its citizens dying.
Stalin and everyone else hasn't forgotten the fact, i.e that you cant trust the word and promises that are made to them.
Recent events in Georgia have again proved that we the public have not been told the truth as far as the Georgian episode is concerned.
The citizens of the two regions that wanted independance had Russian citizens (the vast majority who were and are Russian and hold Russian passports).
let's say that someone somewhere decided to start a disinformation campaign to make the Russians look like they were being aggressive, when the truth was they had to go into a region to protect THEIR citizens.
The west has encroached on Russia's borders so much the leadership is very nervous, which is why the Russians invaded Afghanistan to protect its southern borders.
The Russians are a proud honest bunch of people, frankly i like them and they don't have the political correctness down yet, and the way they are portrayed in the West is annoying to put it mildly.
Add to that Europe is now dependant on Russian oil and gas reserves, it has to protect its financial interests and be able to back the system up militarily. if they didn't they would have to be incompetant, especially in the wake of recent American Foreign policy, thanks to frankly a campaign against Russia thats been going on since the second world war.
if you trust a politician, frankly your an idiot.....and the Russians learned the hard way.
They were crapped on from a great height remember, and 20-22 million of them died as a result.These facts and the fact that the red army finished WW2 are always overlooked.
Historically, parts of europe crapped on them time and time again...and now, in the time of fossil fuel dependance, they are now holding the cards, and will have the means to ensure nobody will mess with them.
Stalin and everyone else hasn't forgotten the fact, i.e that you cant trust the word and promises that are made to them.
Recent events in Georgia have again proved that we the public have not been told the truth as far as the Georgian episode is concerned.
The citizens of the two regions that wanted independance had Russian citizens (the vast majority who were and are Russian and hold Russian passports).
let's say that someone somewhere decided to start a disinformation campaign to make the Russians look like they were being aggressive, when the truth was they had to go into a region to protect THEIR citizens.
The west has encroached on Russia's borders so much the leadership is very nervous, which is why the Russians invaded Afghanistan to protect its southern borders.
The Russians are a proud honest bunch of people, frankly i like them and they don't have the political correctness down yet, and the way they are portrayed in the West is annoying to put it mildly.
Add to that Europe is now dependant on Russian oil and gas reserves, it has to protect its financial interests and be able to back the system up militarily. if they didn't they would have to be incompetant, especially in the wake of recent American Foreign policy, thanks to frankly a campaign against Russia thats been going on since the second world war.
if you trust a politician, frankly your an idiot.....and the Russians learned the hard way.
They were crapped on from a great height remember, and 20-22 million of them died as a result.These facts and the fact that the red army finished WW2 are always overlooked.
Historically, parts of europe crapped on them time and time again...and now, in the time of fossil fuel dependance, they are now holding the cards, and will have the means to ensure nobody will mess with them.
It's always nice to be held hostage.
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My view on it is quite simply no, loads of sabre rattling, but mainly the Russians like the British and loath the USA, they have a great fear that the US will attempt to get there hands on Russian natural resources.
If however, the Ukraine's do eject the Russian navy from Sevastopol, then we could see a real fight between Russia and Nato countries.
JMO
If however, the Ukraine's do eject the Russian navy from Sevastopol, then we could see a real fight between Russia and Nato countries.
JMO
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Between all those cold war and missile threats don't you forget one country stucked in the middle there?
And used as a shelter.
And used as a shelter.
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What a joke.
The Russian government can't even organise its' own country properly.
How are they going to organise a conquest of Europe or the rest of the world?
The Russian government can't even organise its' own country properly.
How are they going to organise a conquest of Europe or the rest of the world?
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Indyfella: It's always nice to be held hostage.
they have all the cards, and can you see intervention from anyone on this planet to make them co-operate?
if i were them i would invest in its military as well!!!
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Kevint: My view on it is quite simply no, loads of sabre rattling, but mainly the Russians like the British and loath the USA, they have a great fear that the US will attempt to get there hands on Russian natural resources.If however, the Ukraine's do eject the Russian navy from Sevastopol, then we could see a real fight between Russia and Nato countries.
JMO
JMO
On second thought....though, we may have get russin oil cuz there won't be any new drilling here for the next 4 years.
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Kevint: My view on it is quite simply no, loads of sabre rattling, but mainly the Russians like the British and loath the USA, they have a great fear that the US will attempt to get there hands on Russian natural resources.
If however, the Ukraine's do eject the Russian navy from Sevastopol, then we could see a real fight between Russia and Nato countries.
JMO
If however, the Ukraine's do eject the Russian navy from Sevastopol, then we could see a real fight between Russia and Nato countries.
JMO
pretty much like going north of Afghanistan, where russia's space research is housed.in anyones language it would be interpreted as expansionism.
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No, but..... Russai should be scared of Robbie!!
I mean.... bloody hell, he's in the UK and I'M scared!!!
I mean.... bloody hell, he's in the UK and I'M scared!!!
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roseofsharon: No, but..... Russai should be scared of Robbie!!
I mean.... bloody hell, he's in the UK and I'M scared!!!
I mean.... bloody hell, he's in the UK and I'M scared!!!
FFS..... Russia!!
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roseofsharon: No, but..... Russai should be scared of Robbie!!
I mean.... bloody hell, he's in the UK and I'M scared!!!
I mean.... bloody hell, he's in the UK and I'M scared!!!
there's times he scares me
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rusty_knight: Sorry - did you say something?
maybe someone pissed on his post toasties?
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Oi, get that typical american trucker's cap off your brain and then scratch your head. You might get it, perhaps.
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PietroPaoloV: Oi, get that typical american trucker's cap off your brain and then scratch your head. You might get it, perhaps.
Turn yours around and wear it like a man instead of a kid... it might help the thought process.
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RobbieM: pretty much like going north of Afghanistan, where russia's space research is housed.in anyones language it would be interpreted as expansionism.
Not quite as cut and dried as that, Russia agreed that Ukraine could become break away but only if the Russian navy remained in Sevastopol, The Crimea is very pro Russia, the rest of Ukraine is less so and is leaning towards Europe, however, the fly in the ointment, is that Crimea was a province of Turkey, they gave it to Russia on the agreement that it will always remain as a part of Russia otherwise it was to revert back to Turkey.
A least that was what I was told when I stayed with a Russian family in Sevastopol for three weeks at the beginning of this year.
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Kevint: Not quite as cut and dried as that, Russia agreed that Ukraine could become break away but only if the Russian navy remained in Sevastopol, The Crimea is very pro Russia, the rest of Ukraine is less so and is leaning towards Europe, however, the fly in the ointment, is that Crimea was a province of Turkey, they gave it to Russia on the agreement that it will always remain as a part of Russia otherwise it was to revert back to Turkey.
A least that was what I was told when I stayed with a Russian family in Sevastopol for three weeks at the beginning of this year.
A least that was what I was told when I stayed with a Russian family in Sevastopol for three weeks at the beginning of this year.
I hope we stay out of your messes
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Pensioners get paid their pensions now (they even get increases) and most workers get paid for their work when they should get paid.
Apparently President Bush Senior promised Gorbechov that if the Berlin wall came down NATO would not be expanded - if true, that promise has been broken.
Can we blame the Russians for not trusting us for wanting to instal early warning/missiles in Poland and the Czech Republic? If we perceive the threat as being Russia why not say so?
Russia is not yet a democracy by our standards (no genuine elections, no genuine free press, still plenty of transparent corruption, dissent stamped on, Chechnya etc), but it has embraced capitalism - trouble was that, at first, a few people got obscenely rich while many others starved and were worse off than under Communism.
The Russian for Democracy when pronounced in a particular way sounds like 'Crapocracy' to them.
Russians are proud people. They seem to prefer a strong leader like Putin compared with a leader who came over as a drunken idiot like Yeltzin.
Russians are used to strong leaders and have never experienced anything like Democracy before.
Have we let Russia/ the Russians down?
Before the cold war ended the Russian leaders were our enemies, but the Russian people liked us...... now the Russian leadership is ambivalent towrds the West, but the Russian people are quite anti us (especially the USA) - quite a sad state of affairs.
Things are certainly better now in Russia than 20 years ago - the birth-rate is actually going up - and indication that people feel positive and more secure about their future.
Should we be scared of Russia? Has Russia reason to be scared of or at least mistrust us?