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Nov 9, 2008 12:37 AM CST So tell me......
y_w_c_f_g
y_w_c_f_gy_w_c_f_gFort Riley, Kansas USA1 Threads 3 Posts
You know...i was sitting here listening to A Perfect Circle...and for some odd reason, a question popped into my mind that i cant quite wrap my brain around. *smile* Humor me. So im here to ask you this....what would happen if 2 black holes collide? Yes, yes i know....random. But its going to eat away at me slowly if i dont get some input...so please...do share =)
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Nov 9, 2008 12:39 AM CST So tell me......
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
we would all vanish into oblivionuh oh
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Nov 9, 2008 12:41 AM CST So tell me......
Steevyv
SteevyvSteevyvsisak, Central Croatia Croatia65 Threads 805 Posts
One big.
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Nov 9, 2008 12:43 AM CST So tell me......
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
Hmmmmmmm I suppose what should happen...call it karma....wave wink roll eyes uh oh dunno grin
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Nov 9, 2008 12:44 AM CST So tell me......
y_w_c_f_g
y_w_c_f_gy_w_c_f_gFort Riley, Kansas USA1 Threads 3 Posts
Steevyv: One big.

Hmmm...are you sure? Supposedly They are supposed to be infinitely massive...infinitely dense "things". how can something that "big" possibly get any larger?
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Nov 9, 2008 4:57 AM CST So tell me......
y_w_c_f_g: You know...i was sitting here listening to A Perfect Circle...and for some odd reason, a question popped into my mind that i cant quite wrap my brain around. *smile* Humor me. So im here to ask you this....what would happen if 2 black holes collide? Yes, yes i know....random. But its going to eat away at me slowly if i dont get some input...so please...do share =)
Have you Googled "" if 2 black holes collide"".
Some interesting Hits come up if you do.One of them is:



I got over 200'000 hits on Google with that search.Check it out!conversing wave
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Nov 9, 2008 5:05 AM CST So tell me......
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
jlw45: we would all vanish into oblivion

One can hope.
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Nov 9, 2008 5:29 AM CST So tell me......
samora77
samora77samora77Staten Island, New York USA39 Threads 543 Posts
rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing wink I'm hoping --I'm hoping laugh
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Nov 9, 2008 5:29 AM CST So tell me......
The_Kansan
The_KansanThe_KansanKnoxville, Tennessee USA303 Threads 1 Polls 3,395 Posts
jlw45: we would all vanish into oblivion


Some of us already have... moping
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Nov 9, 2008 5:36 AM CST So tell me......
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
samora77: I'm hoping --I'm hoping



Hi you...

Good morning to you lady, are you well?
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Nov 9, 2008 9:20 AM CST So tell me......
mbcasey
mbcaseymbcaseyNorth Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA68 Threads 7 Polls 16,449 Posts
Interesting question...

Maybe they would repel each other enough to maintain a distance where neither one would be affected.

We tend to view the universe from side to side. I wonder if there is a top and bottom?

If so, the 2 black holes have an immense gravitational force. Maybe they would sink to the bottom of the universe.dunno
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Nov 9, 2008 9:27 AM CST So tell me......
Black holes collide

* 18:29 18 April 2006
* NewScientist.com news service
* Maggie McKee








Simulations of the ripples in space-time produced when two black holes merge could help astronomers interpret future gravitational wave observations (Image: Henze/NASA)
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Simulations of the ripples in space-time produced when two black holes merge could help astronomers interpret future gravitational wave observations (Image: Henze/NASA)


The ripples in space-time created when two black holes merge have been modelled to unprecedented accuracy, according to Einstein's equations, by a powerful new computer simulation. The "waveform" signatures produced in the simulation should help researchers identify the ripples in the data from gravitational wave detectors.

Powerful gravitational waves are thought to shake the fabric of space-time when two black holes spiral towards each other and eventually merge. The waves have not yet been observed, but researchers have been trying to simulate the process on computers in order to predict the expected signal. That will help the nascent searches now in progress.

The signals, called "waveforms", are shaped by factors such as the frequency at which the two black holes orbit each other, their relative masses and their spins. But modelling the merger has proven exceptionally difficult because the process is governed by Einstein's theory of general relativity.

"People have been trying for years to follow the coalescence of two black holes where you treat general relativity exactly," comments David Merritt, an astrophysicist at the Rochester Institute of Technology in New York, US.

John Baker of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, US, agrees. "Part of the complexity of simulating Einstein's equations are the equations don't come in a unique form," he told New Scientist. "You have a lot of choices to make when you approach the problem."
Gridlock

Some of these choices lead computers to crash because the grid-like system that describes space-time becomes "all twisted up because the grid lines fall on top of each other", says Baker.

But several groups – including Baker's – have recently come up with ways to choose coordinate systems that do not become tangled. Now, he and his colleagues have performed the longest simulation of a black hole merger that has consistently returned the same waveforms. "It really demonstrates it is the right answer," he says.

The simulation followed two non-spinning black holes of equal mass that orbited each other between 1.5 and 4.5 times before merging. For black holes about 500,000 times the mass of the Sun, this final death spiral is expected to take just an hour or so, but the simulations required several days of computation time by 2000 individual processors at NASA's Columbia supercomputer in California, US. View an mpeg video of the simulation here.

"The simulations start out with the black holes practically touching because it's such an expensive calculation," says Merritt. And the simulations represent a simplified case – most black holes are thought to spin and binary systems should have black holes of different masses. But they will still be useful, he says.
Noisy data

Pairs of orbiting black holes can be described by just 10 or so key numbers – including their mass, spin, and the direction of their spin, he says. If researchers simulate all the possible permutations of those numbers, they will get "templates" for each scenario, he says.

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Nov 9, 2008 9:27 AM CST So tell me......
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"It's hard to detect gravitational waves," Merritt told New Scientist. "So if you think you know what a waveform looks like, you could use that as a template to filter out your noisy data."

Large black holes that orbit each other relatively slowly before colliding could be detected by space-based observatories, such as the proposed LISA (Laser Interferometer Space Antenna), Baker says. That is because these low-frequency waves require a very large detector to be picked up, and LISA's three spacecraft would orbit the Sun 5 million kilometres apart.

Smaller black holes, however, orbit each other 100,000 times more quickly before merging, so they produce higher frequency gravitational waves. These waves could be picked up by smaller, ground-based detectors such as the US-based LIGO (Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory). LIGO uses twin L-shaped detectors, each 4 kilometres long, in Washington state and Louisiana, US.

Journal reference: Physical Review Letters (vol 96, no 111102)


From the Site I posted.
conversing wave
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Nov 9, 2008 9:30 AM CST So tell me......
mbcasey
mbcaseymbcaseyNorth Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA68 Threads 7 Polls 16,449 Posts
Conrad73: CONT

"It's hard to detect gravitational waves," Merritt told New Scientist. "So if you think you know what a waveform looks like, you could use that as a template to filter out your noisy data."

Large black holes that orbit each other relatively slowly before colliding could be detected by space-based observatories, such as the proposed LISA (Laser Interferometer Space Antenna), Baker says. That is because these low-frequency waves require a very large detector to be picked up, and LISA's three spacecraft would orbit the Sun 5 million kilometres apart.

Smaller black holes, however, orbit each other 100,000 times more quickly before merging, so they produce higher frequency gravitational waves. These waves could be picked up by smaller, ground-based detectors such as the US-based LIGO (Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory). LIGO uses twin L-shaped detectors, each 4 kilometres long, in Washington state and Louisiana, US.

Journal reference: Physical Review Letters (vol 96, no 111102)


From the Site I posted.


But these are non spinning black holes...

I think I am right...laugh
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Nov 9, 2008 9:36 AM CST So tell me......
mbcasey: But these are non spinning black holes...

I think I am right...
Well,there is tons of Info if you Google "If Two Black Holes Collide"conversing wave
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Nov 9, 2008 11:55 AM CST So tell me......
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