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Nov 15, 2008 3:29 PM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: I just got done reading his son's renditions of 7 and 8. While not Frank, they got me to thinking about the characters and world again. I loved them just as much as the FH Books because the characters of Duncan Idaho and the Honored Matres were well done, and the plot was all Frank Herbert.


Oh Duncan - my heart still hurts - oh wasnt he just the best........ teddybear
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Nov 15, 2008 3:35 PM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
CrosstownTraffic: why couldn't he have stayed around to write number 7


Sad huh - but life is transient after all - really sad that we have such a short time to know other people and their adventures - i guess it must be why some people have to elaborate on the truth - sadly...... they wanna force their ideals on others - its all about power usually...........
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Nov 15, 2008 3:56 PM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
MikeHD: Well, where is it?
Where did Jesus tell me to slaughter Jews?Look it up, I will wait.


read the posts you tried to bury. and don't put words in my mouth, I dont care where you get them from.
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Nov 15, 2008 4:05 PM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
MikeHD: Well, where is it?
Where did Jesus tell me to slaughter Jews?Look it up, I will wait.


Which Jesus do you actually mean Mike -we are still waiting for evidence of the actual existence of your Jesus - it isnt to be found in Josephus or Eusabius - as far as I can tell you are living on an assumption still......
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Nov 15, 2008 4:20 PM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
CrosstownTraffic
CrosstownTrafficCrosstownTrafficMalaga, Andalusia Spain3 Threads 732 Posts
trish123: Sad huh - but life is transient after all - really sad that we have such a short time to know other people and their adventures - i guess it must be why some people have to elaborate on the truth - sadly...... they wanna force their ideals on others - its all about power usually...........



yeah, yeah whatever! maybe he should have just written faster thenrolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing wave
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Nov 15, 2008 4:49 PM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
Kwisatz Haderach means "shortening of the way".

Christians wanted short-cuts to Jewish Law, which is inflexible. Paul wanted to break free of the ten commandments, and thus he invented a fable about a former teacher of his being the Kwisatz Haderach, or a bending of God's law. That is the extent of the New Testament.

There's no proof of Jesus's existence, let alone his divinity, except through testimony, which, even in this enlightened age, smacks of collusion. Take ten people witnessing the same thing, and you well get ten different versions of the truth, all with vastly different chronological order as well as different events altogether. The fact that the canonized testaments are so similiar would lead a law enforcement agent to believe its a cover story, an alibi, or something to that effect. The witnesses have been coached, and the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth will NEVER be known.
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Nov 15, 2008 10:16 PM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
blueyes315
blueyes315blueyes315Camarillo, California USA15 Posts
I didn't say it was all dark. I just think that the people who actually haven't read the Bible are in for a bit of a surprise. It's not all pretty and people need to know that bad things happen and shouldn't be so shocked when the bad things do happen. There is a lot of love in the Bible. And that's how life is. You need to be prepared for both. I think if people learn and live by the ten commands, we would all be a lot better off. I find it interesting that almost all people pray to God when someone in their life finds out they have cancer, have been in a really bad car accident or have a child that is very, very sick they pray. And then they forget to give thanks when they get a raise in their job, when they have found the love of their life, when someone very sick, suddenly isn't. I don't think that kind of thing just happens. I also don't believe in coincidences. That's all I meant by it. It's just what I believe.
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Nov 16, 2008 12:10 AM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
rasgumby
rasgumbyrasgumbyMoberly, Missouri USA99 Threads 10 Polls 4,665 Posts
blueyes315: I didn't say it was all dark. I just think that the people who actually haven't read the Bible are in for a bit of a surprise. It's not all pretty and people need to know that bad things happen and shouldn't be so shocked when the bad things do happen. There is a lot of love in the Bible. And that's how life is. You need to be prepared for both. I think if people learn and live by the ten commands, we would all be a lot better off. I find it interesting that almost all people pray to God when someone in their life finds out they have cancer, have been in a really bad car accident or have a child that is very, very sick they pray. And then they forget to give thanks when they get a raise in their job, when they have found the love of their life, when someone very sick, suddenly isn't. I don't think that kind of thing just happens. I also don't believe in coincidences. That's all I meant by it. It's just what I believe.


You ask so much of peoplerolling on the floor laughing

Don't lie, cheat, steal, screw around, murder, and so on!!!

Makes life so simple.
Morals is just way to much to ask of anyonerolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Nov 16, 2008 12:24 AM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
blueyes315
blueyes315blueyes315Camarillo, California USA15 Posts
You're koking, right?
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Nov 16, 2008 12:24 AM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
blueyes315
blueyes315blueyes315Camarillo, California USA15 Posts
Joking, I mean
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Nov 16, 2008 12:50 AM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
rasgumby
rasgumbyrasgumbyMoberly, Missouri USA99 Threads 10 Polls 4,665 Posts
blueyes315: You're koking, right?


Heck no... I don't do drugs of any kindwave laugh

It was sarcasm.

Morals and acting / doing what we know is right is just beyond what people are able to do these days.

Even when doing wrong.. everyone seems to be able to convince themselves that it is right and good, If the rest of the world is doing it... it has to be right.

I just can't understand knowingly making life any harder than it already is.

No wonder it is a prozac nation!!!

Most people just can't face reality,
Make their lives so hard then wonder why they can't cope with it- without heavy medication!!doh
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Nov 16, 2008 1:19 AM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
blueyes315
blueyes315blueyes315Camarillo, California USA15 Posts
Ras,
I corrected my statement immediately. I was typing too fast. I would never use or insinuate that someone was using "coke". It was an innocent typo. I wouldn't have even know to spell it that way to try to get past the real word. I mean 'joking", as I corrected myself right away. I apologize for that. I THINK, we are on the same page. correct me if I am wrong. Please. I don't do drugs, have no reason to and why in the world if you aren't sick in some way, why would you want to alternate your judgement. Please read my correction. Sometimes I get caught up in my passion and I just typed too fast. Totally inocent, and yet you judged me befor you read my correction, which I did within seconds. I was horrifed when I saw tha mistke. I'm sorry. But I really thing we are on the same page. forgive me.
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Nov 16, 2008 1:20 AM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
blueyes315
blueyes315blueyes315Camarillo, California USA15 Posts
There I go again. I meant "ALTER" Gees
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Nov 16, 2008 1:33 AM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
blueyes315
blueyes315blueyes315Camarillo, California USA15 Posts
Mike,
I think you did a really good thing here, at the very least, you got people fired up and that shows us that people are at least thinking. That they have believes and passions, however it goes. I commend you even to put this thread out there, as I said before (I know a lot of people don't agree that it may not nelong on this sight, but I believe it's the best place for it). When people are looking for mates, which is why most of us are here, this is hugh. Right up there with being a party affiliation, to a lot of other things that we are passionate about. The main thing is, people still have passion. We need that in this world and everyone should be passionate about something. It keeps us going, it defines who we are and if we are brave enough to put it in writing in front of God and everyone on this websight, well, good for them!! Thank you for having your God given strength to do it. In the most honest and humorous way you could. I loved your commentary, it showed courage. I don't experience defiance on this subject because of the company I choose to be with, but buddy, rock on.
P.S. With all your male parts, would you dare a political thread? Cause, I would really have fun with that!
Thank you,
Blueyes315
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Nov 16, 2008 2:32 AM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
rasgumby
rasgumbyrasgumbyMoberly, Missouri USA99 Threads 10 Polls 4,665 Posts
blueyes315: Ras,
I corrected my statement immediately. I was typing too fast. I would never use or insinuate that someone was using "coke". It was an innocent typo. I wouldn't have even know to spell it that way to try to get past the real word. I mean 'joking", as I corrected myself right away. I apologize for that. I THINK, we are on the same page. correct me if I am wrong. Please. I don't do drugs, have no reason to and why in the world if you aren't sick in some way, why would you want to alternate your judgement. Please read my correction. Sometimes I get caught up in my passion and I just typed too fast. Totally inocent, and yet you judged me befor you read my correction, which I did within seconds. I was horrifed when I saw tha mistke. I'm sorry. But I really thing we are on the same page. forgive me.


I know silly thing!
Just having some fun, but honestly, I did try coke once.... The carbonation
and the sugar burned so bad that I never tried it again tongue

Sorry, back to the topic.
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Nov 16, 2008 3:01 AM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
CrosstownTraffic
CrosstownTrafficCrosstownTrafficMalaga, Andalusia Spain3 Threads 732 Posts
blueyes315: Mike,
I think you did a really good thing here, at the very least, you got people fired up and that shows us that people are at least thinking. That they have believes and passions, however it goes. I commend you even to put this thread out there, as I said before (I know a lot of people don't agree that it may not nelong on this sight, but I believe it's the best place for it). When people are looking for mates, which is why most of us are here, this is hugh. Right up there with being a party affiliation, to a lot of other things that we are passionate about. The main thing is, people still have passion. We need that in this world and everyone should be passionate about something. It keeps us going, it defines who we are and if we are brave enough to put it in writing in front of God and everyone on this websight, well, good for them!! Thank you for having your God given strength to do it. In the most honest and humorous way you could. I loved your commentary, it showed courage. I don't experience defiance on this subject because of the company I choose to be with, but buddy, rock on.
P.S. With all your male parts, would you dare a political thread? Cause, I would really have fun with that!
Thank you,
Blueyes315


I find it so bizarre that a person who has blind faith in a work of fiction would talk about getting people to thinkconfused

When someone gets fanatical about any idea they become stagnant. They can't change there minds or the subject. In my mind it is not a brave act to live your life holding onto a false gods long white beard as if is a mothers apron strings. I thing the bible gives scared people the excuse to be inactive in mind and soul. they can hide from their lives by saying everything is gods will. I think it is far braver to live you life looking for new knowledge with an open mind. When the thread starter is asked valid questions in a reasonable manner he can't answer any questions on his own, he quotes from the bible. And when it is pointed out that quoting the bible doesn't provide an answer, he repeats it again and louder and longer

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Nov 16, 2008 2:45 PM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
blueyes315: Mike,
I think you did a really good thing here, at the very least, you got people fired up and that shows us that people are at least thinking. That they have believes and passions, however it goes. I commend you even to put this thread out there, as I said before (I know a lot of people don't agree that it may not nelong on this sight, but I believe it's the best place for it). When people are looking for mates, which is why most of us are here, this is hugh. Right up there with being a party affiliation, to a lot of other things that we are passionate about. The main thing is, people still have passion. We need that in this world and everyone should be passionate about something. It keeps us going, it defines who we are and if we are brave enough to put it in writing in front of God and everyone on this websight, well, good for them!! Thank you for having your God given strength to do it. In the most honest and humorous way you could. I loved your commentary, it showed courage. I don't experience defiance on this subject because of the company I choose to be with, but buddy, rock on.
P.S. With all your male parts, would you dare a political thread? Cause, I would really have fun with that!
Thank you,
Blueyes315


Thank you blue eyes, I appreciate that. hug
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Nov 16, 2008 3:27 PM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
A great unknown leaps from among the gazing multitude and confronts the savage monster. He quails not at theroaring of the devourer, but dashes upon him with terrible fury, till, like a whipped cur, the lion slinks towards his den, dragging himself along in pain and fear. The hero lifts you up, smiles into your bloodless face, whispers comfort in your ears and bids you be of good courage, for you are free. Do you not think that there would arise at once in your heart adesire to know your deliverer? As the guards conducted you into the open street, and you breathed the cool, fresh air, would not the first question be, “Who was my deliverer, that I may fall at his feet and bless him?” You are not, however, informed, but instead of it you are gently led away to a noble mansion, where your many wounds are washed and healed with salve of rarest power. You are clothed in sumptuous apparel. You are made to sitdown at a feast. You eat and are satisfied. You rest upon the softest down. The next morning you are attended by ser-vants who guard you from evil and minister to your good. Day after day, week after week, your wants are supplied. You live like a courtier. There is nothing that you can ask which you do not receive. I am sure that your curiosity would grow more and more intense till it would ripen into an insatiable craving. You would scarcely neglect an opportunity of asking the servants, “Tell me, who does all this, who is my noble benefactor, forI must know him?” “Well, but,” they would say, “is it not enough for you that you are delivered from the lion?” “No,” you say, “it is for that very reason that I pant to know him.” “Your wants are richly supplied—why are you vexed bycuriosity as to the hand which gave you the gift? If your garment is worn out, there is another. Long before hunger op-presses you, the table is well loaded. What more do you want?” But your reply is, “It is because I have no wants, that, therefore, my soul longs and yearns even to hungering and to thirsting that I may know my generous loving friend.” Suppose that as you wake up one morning, you find lying on your pillow a precious love-token from your unknown friend, a ring sparkling with jewels and engraved with a tender inscription, a bouquet of flowers bound about with a love-motto? Your curiosity now knows no bounds. But you are informed that this wondrous being has not only done for
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Nov 16, 2008 3:28 PM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
you what you have seen, but a thousand deeds of love which you did not see, which were higher and greater still as proofs of his affection. You are told that he was wounded and imprisoned and scourged for your sake, for he had a love to you so great that death itself could not overcome it—you are informed that he is every moment occupied in your interests,because he has sworn by himself that where he is, there you shall be. His honors you shall share and of his happiness you shall be the crown. Why, I think you would say, “Tell me, men and women, any of you who know him, tell me who he is and what he is.” And if they said, “But it is enough for you to know that he loves you and to have daily proofs of his goodness,” you would say, “No, these love-tokens increase my thirst. If you see him, tell him I am sick of love. The flagons which he scuds me and the love-tokens which he gives me, they stay me for awhile with the assurance of his affection, but they only impel me onward with the more unconquerable desire that I may know him. I must know him! I cannot live without knowing him. His goodness makes me thirst and pant, and faint and even die, that I may know him.” Have I imagined emotions which would not be natural? I think not. The most cool and calculating would be warmed with desires like these. I think what I have now pictured before you will wake the echoes in your breasts and you will say, “Ah, it is even so! It is because Christ loved me and gave Himself for me that I want to know Him. It is because He has shed His blood for me and has chosen me that I may be one with Him forever that my soul desires a fuller acquaintance with Him. “Now may God the Holy Spirit, very graciously lead me onward that I may also quicken in you the desire to know Him.
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Nov 16, 2008 3:28 PM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
I. Beloved, let us PASS BY THAT CROWD OF OUTER-COURT WORSHIPPERS WHO ARE CONTENT TO LIVE WITHOUT KNOWING CHRIST. I do not mean the ungodly and profane! We will not consider them just now—they are altogether strangers and for-eigners to Him—I mean children of God—the visible saints. How many there are of these whom I must call outer-court worshippers, for they are strangers to this panting to know Him. They can say with Paul, “That I may win Him and be found in Him”—that they do want. But this higher wish, “That I may know Him,” has not stirred their hearts. How many Brothers and Sisters we know who are content to know Christ’s historic life! They read the Evangelists and they are charmed with the perfect beauty of the Savior’s history. “Never man spoke like this Man,” they say. And they confessthat never man acted with such love as He did. They know all the incidents of His life, from His manger to His Cross. But they do not know Him. They are as men who have read “Caesar’s Commentaries,” but who have never seen Caesar. They know the battles which Caesar fought. They can even recognize the mantle which Caesar wore “that day he overcame the Nervii,” but they do not know Caesarhimself. The Person of the Lord Jesus is asmuch hidden from their eyes us the golden pot of manna when concealed in theark. They know the life of Christ, but not Christ the Life. They admire His way among men, but they see Him not as the Way. Others there are who know Christ’s doctrine and prize it, too, but they know not Him. All which He taught is dear to them. Orthodoxy—for this they would burn at Smithfield, or lay down their necks at Tower Hill! Many of them are well-instructed and Divinely-illuminated in the doctrine of Christ. And the wonder is that they should stop there, be-cause, Beloved, it does seem to me when I begin to know a man’s teaching, that the next thing is the desire to know his person. Addison, in one of the “Spectators,” tells us that the reason why so many books are printed with the portraits ofthe authors is just this—that as a man reads a book, he feels a desire to know what sort of appearance the author had. This, indeed, is very natural. If you have ever been refreshed under a minister’s printed sermons. If you have at anytime received any benefit from his words, I know you have said, “I would like to see that man. I would like to hear thetruth flow hot and fresh from his living lips. I would like to know just how he said that sentence, and how that passage sounded as it came from his earnest heart.” My Beloved, surely if you know the doctrine of Jesus, if you have so been with Christ as to sit at His feet and hear what He has to say, you must, I hope, have had some longings to know Him—to know His Person. And if you have, you will have had to pass by multitudes of followers of Jesus who rest satisfied with His words, but forget that He is, Himself, “THE WORD.” Beloved, there are others—and against them I bring no complaint. They go as far as they can—they are delighted with Christ’s example. Christ’s Character is in their esteem the mirror of all perfection. They desire to walk in His foot-
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