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Nov 11, 2008 8:30 AM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
Ok, here is the second article I would like to post.

I hope everyone enjoys it, though I am sure I will hear from some who don't. grin

The Bible Stands Alone
Compiled by Jordan and Justin Drake

In 1889 a schoolteacher told a ten-year-old boy, "You will never amount to very much." That boy was Albert Einstein. In 1954 a music manager told a young singer, "You ought to go back to driving a truck." That singer was Elvis Presley. In 1962 a record company told a group of singers, "We don’t like your sound. Groups with guitars are definitely on their way out." They said that to the Beatles. Man is prone to make mistakes. Those who reject the Bible should take the time to look at the evidence before they come to a verdict.

1. It is unique in its continuity.
If just 10 people today were picked who were from the same place, born around the same time, spoke the same language, and made about the same amount of money, and were asked to write on just one controversial subject, they would have trouble agreeing with each other. But the Bible stands alone. It was written over a period of 1,600 years by more than 40 writers from all walks of life. Some were fishermen; some were politicians. Others were generals or kings, shepherds or historians. They were from three different continents, and wrote in three different languages. They wrote on hundreds of controversial subjects yet they wrote with agreement and harmony. They wrote in dungeons, in temples, on beaches, and on hillsides, during peacetime and during war. Yet their words sound like they came from the same source. So even though 10 people today couldn’t write on one controversial subject and agree, God picked 40 different people to write the Bible—and it stands the test of time.

2. It is unique in its circulation.
The invention of the printing press in 1450 made it possible to print books in large quantities. The first book printed was the Bible. Since then, the Bible has been read by more people and printed more times than any other book in history. By 1930, over one billion Bibles had been distributed by Bible societies around the world. By 1977, Bible societies alone were printing over 200 million Bibles each year, and this doesn’t include the rest of the Bible publishing companies. No one who is interested in knowing the truth can ignore such an important book.

3. It is unique in its translation.
The Bible has been translated into over 1,400 languages. No other book even comes close.
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4. It is unique in its survival.
In ancient times, books were copied by hand onto manuscripts which were made from parchment and would decay over time. Ancient books are available today only because someone made copies of the originals to preserve them. For example, the original writings of Julius Caesar are no longer around. We know what he wrote only by the copies we have. Only 10 copies still exist, and they were made 1,000 years after he died. Only 600 copies of Homer’s The Iliad exist, made 1,300 years after the originals were written. No other book has as many copies of the ancient manuscripts as the Bible. In fact, there are over 24,000 copies of New Testament manuscripts, some written within 35 years of the writer’s death.

5. It is unique in withstanding attack.
No other book has been so attacked throughout history as the Bible. In A.D. 300 the Roman emperor Diocletian ordered every Bible burned because he thought that by destroying the Scriptures he could destroy Christianity. Anyone caught with a Bible would be executed. But just 25 years later, the Roman emperor Constantine ordered that 50 perfect copies of the Bible be made at government expense. The French philosopher Voltaire, a skeptic who destroyed the faith of many people, boasted that within 100 years of his death, the Bible would disappear from the face of the earth. Voltaire died in 1728, but the Bible lives on. The irony of history is that 50 years after his death, the Geneva Bible Society moved into his former house and used his printing presses to print thousands of Bibles.

The Bible has also survived criticism. No book has been more attacked for its accuracy. And yet archeologists are proving every year that the Bible’s detailed descriptions of historic events are correct. See Matthew 4:4 and 1 Peter 1:25 footnotes.
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BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
MikeHD: Thank you and everyone else for you kind words and messages in my mailbox.

And thank you to the courageous others who take up a cause in here, be it either side. It wouldn't be the same without ya.


lemming biggots
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Nov 11, 2008 8:43 AM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
OrvaasDrem111
OrvaasDrem111OrvaasDrem111Balmora, Iowa USA12 Posts
I pray to the 9 Divines. I regularly visit the Chapel of Zenithar and pray at the way shrines, but I feel that I am dispised by the divines bc they r not giving me blessings anymore =(
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Nov 11, 2008 8:45 AM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
crotalus_p
crotalus_pcrotalus_pRush, Dublin Ireland43 Threads 6 Polls 2,789 Posts
BnaturAl: lemming biggots


Now al I think that may be slanderous lets face it have ever come across a lemming that was stupid enough to fallow a religion ??
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Nov 11, 2008 9:00 AM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
crotalus_p: Now al I think that may be slanderous lets face it have ever come across a lemming that was stupid enough to fallow a religion ??



CRO !!! Dude, where ya been hiding? Missed ya man. hug

Now that you are here, maybe BnaturAl can calm down a bit. grin


I hope you brought some good stuff. I need more practice at your kind of opposition, and B-Al can get quite nasty at times.


Opps, sorry B, I know you will take that as a direct attack on you as a person, but I merely mention it because of all the uncharacteristic ranting you have been doing as of late. I miss the old cool, level-headed BnaturAl. He just seemed more effective. comfort
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Nov 11, 2008 9:01 AM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
MikeHD: all will pay.And please support your assertion that I am a "supremist supporter".


easy!!!

children of this god ... the annointed ones... all others will perish or go to hell

bigot!!!!!!!!!!! supremist supporter and marketer
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Nov 11, 2008 9:01 AM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
Found this some time ago,written by a Preacherprofessor

What Does the Constitution say about religion?
(It may not be what you think.)
By Oliver "Buzz" Thomas

As America's finest continue shedding their blood in Iraq and Afghanistan, we do well to take stock of who we are and what we're up against. What we're up against is a fanatical cadre of theocrats bent on imposing their view of Theo on everybody else. At gunpoint.

Who we are is a little more complicated. On paper, we're the freedom people. I say "on paper" because that's where it all starts. We have the oldest written constitution on the planet. We can be proud of that. What we can't be proud of is that many Americans don't seem to know what it says, particularly when it comes to our nation's first freedom: religious freedom.

Ask most Americans what the Constitution says about God, and their answers may surprise you.

"One nation under God?"

Nope, that's the Pledge of Allegiance.

"Oh, yeah, right, right. How about, 'Endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights'?"

Sorry, but that's the Declaration of Independence.

"Hmmmm."

Mostly what you'll get is a lot of blank stares. Trust me. I've tried it in nearly 50 states. Fully 55% of the country, according to a recent survey by the First Amendment Center, believes that the U.S. Constitution establishes us as a "Christian nation." Worse still, while nearly all Americans say freedom of religion is important, only 56% think it should apply to all religious groups. The truth is that the Constitution says nothing about God. Not one word. And, you can bet that some of the local clergy back in the 1780s howled about it. Newspapers, pamphlets and sermons decried the drafters' failure to acknowledge God.

One, and only one, reference

Even more interesting is what the Constitution has to say about religion. Although many of the nation's loudest religionists continue to assert that America is a Christian nation in some legal or constitutional sense, the language of the original Constitution itself suggests otherwise. The only reference to religion is tucked away in Article VI and reads: "No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

I don't know about you, but that doesn't sound like a Christian nation to me. If you wished to create a Christian nation, wouldn't you at least need to ensure that its leaders were Christian? The No Religious Test Clause stands out because most colonies did have religious qualifications for public office. Many required a belief in the Christian doctrine of the Trinity with some, like the Carolinas, going so far as to require that all elected officials be Protestant.

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Nov 11, 2008 9:02 AM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
So, why would the framers of our Constitution do such a thing, and moreover, why two years later would they adopt a constitutional amendment declaring that the new federal government could "make no law respecting an establishment of religion?" Was it because they were militant atheists? Hardly. James Madison, the primary architect of our Constitution, studied under the tutelage of Presbyterian-preacher-turned-Princeton-president John Witherspoon and even considered a career in the ministry before opting for politics.

More likely, the framers were concerned about the corrupting influence the institutions of church and state have on each other when either becomes too cozy. These guys knew their history. They had witnessed the blood shed by governments in the name of religion. Europe was nearly destroyed by it. They also knew their politics. The Baptists, Presbyterians and other Evangelicals were fed up with religion that was "established" by the state (as was the Anglican Church in many Southern colonies and the Congregational Church in New England) and were determined to achieve full-throttle religious freedom for all — believers and non-believers alike. It was prominent Virginia Baptist John Leland who declared, "The notion of a Christian commonwealth should be exploded forever!" Pastor Leland went on to assert that "the fondness of magistrates to foster Christianity has done it more harm than all the persecutions ever did." Leland and his Baptist colleagues played a key role in helping persuade Madison to support a federal Bill of Rights guaranteeing liberty of conscience for all.
What 'separation' really means

America has institutionalized this great theological concept through the political mechanism of the First Amendment. The "no establishment" clause separates the institutions of church and state by prohibiting any government action that has the primary effect of advancing or inhibiting religion. Government is to remain neutral. No citizen should be advantaged or disadvantaged because of his religious faith.

The separation of church and state does not mean the separation of God and government or of religion and politics. The First Amendment limits only the power of government — not the power of the people or of the church. Religious organizations are free to speak out on the issues of the day. They can preach, pray, proselytize, promote and, yes, even endorse candidates if they are foolish enough to do so. (They will, however, have to forfeit their tax exemption if they use church funds, since we don't allow a tax deduction for monies given to partisan causes — just charitable ones.) Again, it is government — not religious organizations — that is restricted by our Constitution.

America's so-called Godless Constitution, with its provisions separating church and state, has given us the strongest political and religious institutions on earth. Among developed nations, no one else believes and worships as much as we Americans. One can only marvel when today's pious pulpiteers clamor for federal dollars for their "faith-based initiatives" or complain that God has been kicked out of the public schools. Perhaps they were praying in school when they should have been studying their history.

Oliver "Buzz" Thomas is a minister, lawyer and author of 10 Things Your Minister Wants to Tell You (But Can't Because He Needs the Job).


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Nov 11, 2008 9:02 AM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
crotalus_p
crotalus_pcrotalus_pRush, Dublin Ireland43 Threads 6 Polls 2,789 Posts
Im to busy to get into it mike , (the exams are a coming)


B edumacate the mantongue
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crotalus_p: Im to busy to get into it mike , (the exams are a coming)B edumacate the man



Don't leave me Cro!!!

B is trying to kill me !!! crying
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crotalus_p
crotalus_pcrotalus_pRush, Dublin Ireland43 Threads 6 Polls 2,789 Posts
MikeHD: Don't leave me Cro!!!

B is trying to kill me !!!


Dont worry i am sure it will be quick smoking
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Nov 11, 2008 9:16 AM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
MikeHD: Don't leave me Cro!!!

B is trying to kill me !!!

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.And please support your assertion that I am a "supremist supporter".


BnaturAL Wrote:

easy!!!

children of this god ... the annointed ones... all others will perish or go to hell

bigot!!!!!!!!!!! supremist supporter and marketer



deny it supremist! deny your gods murderous genocidal activities, deny that you support genocidal dogma. atttitudes and behavior!!

lemming recruiter!
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lucky200761
lucky200761lucky200761Blue Springs, Missouri USA38 Threads 5 Polls 569 Posts
Ambrose2007: It's almost as though you feel a certain disapproval of Christianity, Al?

I can't for the life of me understand why Mike thinks any of this stuff is persuasive. The only way it could be persuasive is if you ALREADY believed.


Exactly...thumbs up , they're just words and it's really up to the person who is reading it to make up their minds; Not someone else! isn't that what makes us all unique individuals capable of making their own decisions
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BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
MikeHD: Don't leave me Cro!!!

B is trying to kill me !!!


looking for sympathy evangelsit technique #1
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lucky200761
lucky200761lucky200761Blue Springs, Missouri USA38 Threads 5 Polls 569 Posts
BnaturAl: looking for sympathy evangelsit technique #1

You remind me of someone i used to know
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Nov 11, 2008 9:47 AM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
BnaturAl: deny it supremist! deny your gods murderous genocidal activities, deny that you support genocidal dogma. atttitudes and behavior!!

lemming recruiter!



It is not true.

I deny it.

There, I hope that makes you happy. head banger
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Nov 11, 2008 9:48 AM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
BnaturAl: looking for sympathy evangelsit technique #1


so you saying I'm getting better. grin
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Nov 11, 2008 9:49 AM CST The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
Conrad73: .

America's so-called Godless Constitution, with its provisions separating church and state, has given us the strongest political and religious institutions on earth. Among developed nations, no one else believes and worships as much as we Americans. One can only marvel when today's pious pulpiteers clamor for federal dollars for their "faith-based initiatives" or complain that God has been kicked out of the public schools. Perhaps they were praying in school when they should have been studying their history.
Oliver "Buzz" Thomas is a minister, lawyer and author of 10 Things Your Minister Wants to Tell You (But Can't Because He Needs the Job).


I'm not sure sheep can read Con ... get the desire to understand the dogmatic heinous crap they were supporting ...sigh


nice post though! thumbs up






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BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
MikeHD: It is not true.

I deny it.

There, I hope that makes you happy.



barf barf barf
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