HealthyLivingOPSomewhere In, Tennessee USA4,775 posts
Reuters Posted: Nov 15, 2008
New York
Europe officially fell into recession on Friday and the US economy suffered thousands more layoffs and the biggest retail sales dip on record as world leaders met in Washington to address the worst financial crisis in 80 years. Leaders of the Group of 20 advanced and emerging economies said they were working on plans to counter the growing economic threat and prevent future crises, but big breakthroughs were not expected at their meeting in the US capital, given the absence of US President-elect Barack Obama, whose involvement will be key to any global initiatives.
The financial crisis continues to wreak havoc on the world's major economies, with official data showing the 15-nation euro zone economy had shrunk by 0.2 percent for the second quarter in a row, meaning it is technically in recession.
The United States is probably already in recession, most economists agree, but official data showing that will not come out until January.
"Frankly, we at Dow are looking at an '09 that looks like a pretty protracted global recession, probably going into 2010," said Andrew Liveris, the chief executive of Dow Chemical Co, the largest US chemical maker.
HealthyLivingOPSomewhere In, Tennessee USA4,775 posts
rasgumby: The economy is like a ladder.. once you get to the top.. you can't go any further, eventually you must come down.
We have been living a fake inflated economy.. now it is balancing time. just normal rythem.
I will agree that the economy was inflated by investors. Now that they have sold their stocks, prices have fallen. This is good for consumers who have been paying too much for too long.
Ras, we must not be in denial. I have been warning of what is to come, yet people want to act like Bush and say there is no need to fear, all is well...
I find it very interesting that this past Saturday, all of the world leaders came to the U.S. for an emergency meeting, yet I have heard nothing about it in the NEWS. I had to search for info which produced very little results. This disturbs me greatly, in a country which supposedly has Freedom of the Press, which has been telling its people that All is Well.
All is NOT well, America!!! Wake up and pay attention!
And Ras, the experts around the world say it is NOT normal rythem. They say we are headed for times worse than the Great Depression.
the signs where evident a few years ago. from the Enron thing to the drastic drop in my Ford stocks.
Those that denied the storm was coming then.. my sympathy but, I do not want to be punished or penalized because the masses had their head up their asses.
I'm not clicking my heels in celebration, I exercised a little common sense back then, I should not be sheered like the rest of the flock of sheep.
the Sheep herder s have been all but consumed by the wolves, and I survived the attack by not standing around the all but dead remains.
worry not about when the next sheep herder will arrive... enjoy the brief moment to free range feed.
HealthyLivingOPSomewhere In, Tennessee USA4,775 posts
fireliter: the signs where evident a few years ago. from the Enron thing to the drastic drop in my Ford stocks.
Those that denied the storm was coming then.. my sympathy but, I do not want to be punished or penalized because the masses had their head up their asses.
I'm not clicking my heels in celebration, I exercised a little common sense back then, I should not be sheered like the rest of the flock of sheep.
the Sheep herder s have been all but consumed by the wolves, and I survived the attack by not standing around the all but dead remains.
worry not about when the next sheep herder will arrive... enjoy the brief moment to free range feed.
Good Morning fireliter!!
Love your comment, as always!
Would like to share a smile to brighten up your day and tell you that I LOVE YOU !
HealthyLiving: I will agree that the economy was inflated by investors. Now that they have sold their stocks, prices have fallen. This is good for consumers who have been paying too much for too long.
Ras, we must not be in denial. I have been warning of what is to come, yet people want to act like Bush and say there is no need to fear, all is well...
I find it very interesting that this past Saturday, all of the world leaders came to the U.S. for an emergency meeting, yet I have heard nothing about it in the NEWS. I had to search for info which produced very little results. This disturbs me greatly, in a country which supposedly has Freedom of the Press, which has been telling its people that All is Well.
All is NOT well, America!!! Wake up and pay attention!
And Ras, the experts around the world say it is NOT normal rythem. They say we are headed for times worse than the Great Depression.
sounds like we are heading for what the bible calls the END TIME.
fireliter: the signs where evident a few years ago. from the Enron thing to the drastic drop in my Ford stocks.
Those that denied the storm was coming then.. my sympathy but, I do not want to be punished or penalized because the masses had their head up their asses.
I'm not clicking my heels in celebration, I exercised a little common sense back then, I should not be sheered like the rest of the flock of sheep.
the Sheep herder s have been all but consumed by the wolves, and I survived the attack by not standing around the all but dead remains.
worry not about when the next sheep herder will arrive... enjoy the brief moment to free range feed.
Apparently, for those with liquid assets, NOW is a great time to invest as there are 'bargains galore' with many institutions/companies selling off good investments (and therefore lowering the prices) because they need the money NOW!
I just wish I had a few hundred thousand dollars or pounds or euros 'spare' to invest right now!
From recession to boom to recession to boom to recession to........... History has being repeating itself for how long and we still havent learnt yet. Look for the trend people and then look at what we are being told over and over again. This has gone on for generations but we still lap it up. To many sheep for anything to ever change.
I found it interesting that Pres Elect Obama did not opt to attend this meeting, and without him no breakthroughs could happen. Is he, perhaps, stalling because he has no answers?
druidess6308: I found it interesting that Pres Elect Obama did not opt to attend this meeting, and without him no breakthroughs could happen. Is he, perhaps, stalling because he has no answers?
He seems to have ONE answer - and that's to bail out GM and Ford...... not something a 'good economist' would advise so Obama is either going against good advice or hasn't got good advisors!
We/you have put off the pain of a recession for far too long - I'd prefer a day without food NOW than go a week without food sometime in the future.
These economic cycles are the price we have to pay for our capitalist system - where we get a huge variety of choice and firms make better and better products.
The alternative so far has been Communism - where you wait for hours in a queue for a loaf of bread because the state controls everything, and the state has no competition, and the state produces crap results.
druidess6308: I found it interesting that Pres Elect Obama did not opt to attend this meeting, and without him no breakthroughs could happen. Is he, perhaps, stalling because he has no answers?
due to government bureaucracy, Bush is still the man with the "button" and the ink pen with in arms reach... I have heard that Obama himself is not attending this "meetings" but those chosen by him are.( strictly on a observers status).
the little I have heard is, a possible restructuring of those one sided "free trade agreements".
Would like to share a smile to brighten up your day and tell you that I LOVE YOU !
Have a Great Day!!!
Thank you for your very kind words and smile.
I would advise caution in making statements such as, "I LOVE YOU " not sure how it works online but on paper that could be construed as a binding contract.... and now especially is not the time to sign any contract involving long commitments.
PeachesandRay: Do away with any and all currency. In this way there is no economy and people will be on even footing being able to have what they need and want.
Earl
during the Kennedy administration and their attempts to tharwt mafia and crime families,
A once very highly respected lawyer F.Lee Bailey said just that eliminate currency and begin a program where all transactions leave a "paper trail" ...40 some odd years later....Say hello to Credit Cards.
now the barter system for the common man could prove very beneficial for all except the tax collectors.
PeachesandRay: Do away with any and all currency. In this way there is no economy and people will be on even footing being able to have what they need and want.
Earl
I agree...I think that's the best solution. Don't know how it would happen though...then how does one pay for utilities and put gas in their car? So, a wonderful solution, but not a practical one today.
If the top financial minds in the world can't solve this, we're in deep doodoo.
druidess6308: I agree...I think that's the best solution. Don't know how it would happen though...then how does one pay for utilities and put gas in their car? So, a wonderful solution, but not a practical one today.
If the top financial minds in the world can't solve this, we're in deep doodoo.
HealthyLivingOPSomewhere In, Tennessee USA4,775 posts
rusty_knight: He seems to have ONE answer - and that's to bail out GM and Ford...... not something a 'good economist' would advise so Obama is either going against good advice or hasn't got good advisors!
We/you have put off the pain of a recession for far too long - I'd prefer a day without food NOW than go a week without food sometime in the future.
These economic cycles are the price we have to pay for our capitalist system - where we get a huge variety of choice and firms make better and better products.
The alternative so far has been Communism - where you wait for hours in a queue for a loaf of bread because the state controls everything, and the state has no competition, and the state produces crap results.
Something just is NOT right here! Why would the President elect not attend the most important meeting in the world?
rusty_knight: Apparently, for those with liquid assets, NOW is a great time to invest as there are 'bargains galore' with many institutions/companies selling off good investments (and therefore lowering the prices) because they need the money NOW!
I just wish I had a few hundred thousand dollars or pounds or euros 'spare' to invest right now!
I agree. There's gains to be made if you have the $$$. Real Estate would be great to buy now if you could afford to sit on it for a year or so. It's how the rich get rich. Buy low, sell high.
HealthyLivingOPSomewhere In, Tennessee USA4,775 posts
HealthyLiving: Something just is NOT right here! Why would the President elect not attend the most important meeting in the world?
This alone should alert us ALL!
Why are there no reports comming forth?
What in the World is going on???
This quote was from Fox News...
"The president-elect stayed away from the meeting so as not to complicate matters for Bush."
Obama was elected to be the next President and he doesn't want to complicate matters for Bush??? Ohhhhh, how considerate of him!!
Is he unconcerned with this matter? Many World Leaders said they had come to meet with Obama!!! Ohhhh, but how they enjoyed their dinner of quail, lamb, fondu and choice wines with Bush at the White House!!!!!!
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Posted: Nov 15, 2008
New York
Europe officially fell into recession on Friday and the US economy suffered thousands more layoffs and the biggest retail sales dip on record as world leaders met in Washington to address the worst financial crisis in 80 years.
Leaders of the Group of 20 advanced and emerging economies said they were working on plans to counter the growing economic threat and prevent future crises, but big breakthroughs were not expected at their meeting in the US capital, given the absence of US President-elect Barack Obama, whose involvement will be key to any global initiatives.
The financial crisis continues to wreak havoc on the world's major economies, with official data showing the 15-nation euro zone economy had shrunk by 0.2 percent for the second quarter in a row, meaning it is technically in recession.
The United States is probably already in recession, most economists agree, but official data showing that will not come out until January.
"Frankly, we at Dow are looking at an '09 that looks like a pretty protracted global recession, probably going into 2010," said Andrew Liveris, the chief executive of Dow Chemical Co, the largest US chemical maker.