I have never quite understood this ( Archived) (139)

Dec 6, 2008 10:44 PM CST I have never quite understood this
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Abram: Everyone will find out. I did, and just telling you what I know about the life we live, and our responsibility of it in our actions.


its your own subjective reality man. it doesnt make it fact hug
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Dec 6, 2008 10:56 PM CST I have never quite understood this
eve1woman
eve1womaneve1womandublin, Dublin Ireland347 Posts
trish123: its your own subjective reality man. it doesnt make it fact



exactly!

with respect to all, I do like to keep my faith/stuff to myself I consider it very personal and I like to keep it close to my heart where it sits well with me and I do respect others for what works for them.

at the end of the day in reality we are all only guessing as we do not have concrete facts none of us know the absolute truth for sure what the heck is out there after here ...... but we live with what works for us

as long as we live with the best of intentions I feel none of us will go too far wrong......

love and light to all. have fun ...x
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Dec 6, 2008 10:56 PM CST I have never quite understood this
To be God fearing in my understanding was to have a "healthy respect" for a Supreme being. It is the idea of being in awe of a power that is all knowing and all powerful. At least this was from an Evangelical Christian world view that I held at one time.
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Dec 6, 2008 11:03 PM CST I have never quite understood this
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
Dawn7z: To be God fearing in my understanding was to have a "healthy respect" for a Supreme being. It is the idea of being in awe of a power that is all knowing and all powerful. At least this was from an Evangelical Christian world view that I held at one time.



You forgot to add the wrath of god, hellfire and damnation part.laugh


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Dec 6, 2008 11:11 PM CST I have never quite understood this
kidatheart: You forgot to add the wrath of god, hellfire and damnation part.


Hi Kid
To be honest when I followed Christianity I didn't tend to focus on that aspect=the judgement but on the love aspect of God
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Dec 7, 2008 12:11 AM CST I have never quite understood this
zztopbanana
zztopbananazztopbananaNSW, OZ & Puke Bay, Porirua, Wellington New Zealand8 Threads 1,068 Posts
trish123: Fear is one of the most effective tools of religion - if I see god fearing in a profile I simply think 'numbskull'........... cant think for themself..


Amen to that.......
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Dec 7, 2008 12:15 AM CST I have never quite understood this
zztopbanana
zztopbananazztopbananaNSW, OZ & Puke Bay, Porirua, Wellington New Zealand8 Threads 1,068 Posts
eve1woman: when I was a kid they (catholic church people) used to try to put the fear of God into each and everyone of us in order to get us to conform ie tow the line. Their job was to depress individuality, surpress imagination, dampen our spirits, curtail our development and our human nature etc,. etc,. I have long since learnt that all that sh.. that was drilled into us was a whole lot of baloney and was the cause of a lot of problems......that will take generations to sort out... There is no need for fear there never was

I am a person who tries to do good as opposed to bad God fearing does not come into it, I know I was given free will to choose between the two.... my karma will sort me out ultimately...


You are one smart girl.

Fear is the one emotion everyone has in common - once it's instilled, it's there until it's conquered.
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Dec 7, 2008 12:18 AM CST I have never quite understood this
zztopbanana
zztopbananazztopbananaNSW, OZ & Puke Bay, Porirua, Wellington New Zealand8 Threads 1,068 Posts
RobbieM: Shall i add i'd make them walk all the way from Rome to apologise to every family of their religion before i had them all shot?

After all they did used to charge people for their torture before they gave them the red hot poker, burned them alive and ripped out their tongues.

I have the catholic churches own book of its records, that you'll find hidden away in every dioses.

Just 10 first 10 pages of the preface will make you furious!


Did used to charge ?

I believe the Chinese still charge the family the cost of the bullet for execution by firearm.
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Dec 7, 2008 12:31 AM CST I have never quite understood this
zztopbanana
zztopbananazztopbananaNSW, OZ & Puke Bay, Porirua, Wellington New Zealand8 Threads 1,068 Posts
Abram: A God fearing person does not fear God, they fear Gods judgment, and of their actions do not offend God knowing the punishment. Heck, you love your parents, but you would fear the punishment you would receive if you broke the rules they set down. So, of that fear, you, I, always took, or tried to take, steps so they never learned of our indiscretions. If they did not see, or hear of it, we were not punished. Remember those times when your conscience, and circumstances, may have directed you to come clean, and bite the bullet, telling you parents, "It was me.", and taking the results of your actions. Heck of a thing, your conscience, and a God fearing person would have a conscience close to squeeky clean, or if not, they better be taking actions to clean it up. Its a recording, a hard drive, and whether your a God fearing person yourself, or not, it's going to hold you accountable. Wait, and see, as everyone of us is going to meet that moment when we find out is we fear God, and I can assuredly bet, the consciences of those not fearing God, will die.


And who has the right to judge, punish and decide who lives on and who doesn't ?.

And where is this omnipotent 'entity' when children are being maimed and tortured ?

If this 'entity' can sit idly by and let untold horrors be perpetrated on the defenceless, then you can keep it - you're welcome to it.
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Dec 7, 2008 2:58 AM CST I have never quite understood this
immanuelle
immanuelleimmanuelleThe Hague, South Holland Netherlands63 Threads 1,962 Posts
TeArawa: Most people have fear of the unknown. Therefore that which they dont know or havent experienced they will fear...


Sad, really isn't it.

Ignorance does breed fear and there is power in truth, but it is tricky establishing truths that are based on faith.....

Thanks everyone for sharing your opinions. Have a good Sunday.wave
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Dec 7, 2008 5:38 AM CST I have never quite understood this
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA839 Threads 13,003 Posts
Check your Strong's, it is a poor translation for modern understanding of the use. It is an awe of God,not a fear as understood today! To be in awe of an awesome God, thereby respecting and choosing to be obeying....but not out of fear.
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Dec 7, 2008 5:48 AM CST I have never quite understood this
immanuelle
immanuelleimmanuelleThe Hague, South Holland Netherlands63 Threads 1,962 Posts
RillyNiceGuy: Check your Strong's, it is a poor translation for modern understanding of the use. It is an awe of God,not a fear as understood today! To be in awe of an awesome God, thereby respecting and choosing to be obeying....but not out of fear.


Do you mean 'Strong's Concordance'?
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Dec 7, 2008 5:55 AM CST I have never quite understood this
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA839 Threads 13,003 Posts
people often understand words without knowing what they mean. The movies use the term Cold Blood, as in shoot me in cold blood...to mean shoot me and me being unable to defend myself fairly. This is not what the term means. To shoot someone in cold blood means to shoot them without the blood being heated with anger or rage. Men and women kill their cheating spouses in HOT BLOOD. But if after the anger has cooled and they calmly choose to shoot the spouse without anger or rage.......then they shot them in COLD BLOOD.

NOW IF PEOPLE CANNOT KEEP THIS KIND OF THINGS CORRECT......THEY MUST GO TO A STRONG'S AND LEARN THE CORRECT MEANING OF WORDS. Then they find the Bible a different book than their modern understanding leads incorrectly!
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Dec 7, 2008 5:56 AM CST I have never quite understood this
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA839 Threads 13,003 Posts
immanuelle: Do you mean 'Strong's Concordance'?


Yes! with dictionaries.
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Dec 7, 2008 5:57 AM CST I have never quite understood this
TeArawa
TeArawaTeArawaAuckland, New Zealand15 Threads 188 Posts
immanuelle: Sad, really isn't it.

Ignorance does breed fear and there is power in truth, but it is tricky establishing truths that are based on faith.....

Thanks everyone for sharing your opinions. Have a good Sunday.


Yes agree! Sometimes that is why experiential knowledge is a far greater teacher than faith on its own.


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Dec 7, 2008 6:01 AM CST I have never quite understood this
immanuelle
immanuelleimmanuelleThe Hague, South Holland Netherlands63 Threads 1,962 Posts
TeArawa: Yes agree! Sometimes that is why experiential knowledge is a far greater teacher than faith on its own.


.handshake

Will also check out the Strong's. Thanks
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Dec 7, 2008 6:03 AM CST I have never quite understood this
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA839 Threads 13,003 Posts
immanuelle: .

Will also check out the Strong's. Thanks



I hope I helped! grin handshake
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Dec 7, 2008 6:06 AM CST I have never quite understood this
immanuelle
immanuelleimmanuelleThe Hague, South Holland Netherlands63 Threads 1,962 Posts
RillyNiceGuy: I hope I helped!

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Dec 7, 2008 6:13 AM CST I have never quite understood this
mddljoe
mddljoemddljoesatellite beach, Florida USA1 Threads 125 Posts
the wisdom part kicks in when,

the spirit begins to lead the flesh.

the inclination usually is to do the reverse.
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Dec 7, 2008 6:22 AM CST I have never quite understood this
wixomwizard
wixomwizardwixomwizardWixom, Michigan USA35 Threads 3,636 Posts
immanuelle: I am really not trying to be cheeky or disrespectful when I ask this, as I believe in cosmic truth or religion or God (however you want to label it....), but what does it mean by a God-fearing person. I always believed religion to be based on feel-good love, not fear. Why is that term used? Doesn't that give things a negative connotation? I don't think religion is supposed to make us feel fear.

I see that term a lot in people's profiles and it scares me a bit.

Apologies if this is a stupid question, but it is 3:30 in the morning in The Netherlands and my head is probably not on very straight right now.


That is a very good question that I think is very mis-understood by most people. I believe there are 2 answers. The number 1 and foremost answer, the one God intended us to practice toward Him and to each other is....the fear of doing anything that would displease Him or a loved one, out of love for Him and them. The number 2 answer is the one most people accept as the number 1. Fear of pissing Him off because of His mighty power and His ability to destroy that which He created. professor hug kiss teddybear
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