WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ?? ( Locked) (544)

Antjo,

Hello there! Trish's posting was totally inappropriate and I stand my ground on that one.
No, you would not know why the children around Fallujah are born with birth defects. One could deduct that effects from gas or by products of the gas and chemicals could still be in the ground in different places in Iraq and seep into water supplies. Much like chemicals seep into water aquafers here in the U.S. When we start seeing clusters of birth defects or high childhood cancer rates in certain areas of the U.S., the soil and water are tested. Many times, chemicals, lead, asbestos or their poisonous byproducts do seep into the waterbeds and dirt and have been the cause of birth defects. One example is Love Canal in New York State. Do you test in your country when birth defects occur in clusters?
As for contaminated dirt with chemical spills, our Hazmat(hazardous materials team)goes in and does cleanups. I have met a hazmat team and toured their large bus. They have a small suitcase of equipment and some larger ones that are used to identify 1000s of different chemicals with 100% accuracy. It is part of my nursing volunteer community disaster and bioterrorism prepardness education. Many communities have this training. Hazmat teams cover several states in different regions. All 50 states are covered.
So it is not a blind argument to state that there may be something in the ground around Fallujah from Saddam's time causing those birth defects. With the war still going on in Iraq and the Fallujah Triangle, it would seem rather difficult right now to go in and do some serious checking of underground water and dirt samples. Enough IED pieces are polluting the top landscape there.
Now for Trish to put out that picture with the insinuation that Gazans may look like that, because of Israel is preposterous. Israel is not putting out the gas chamber pictures of WW2 and saying that this may be what their children may look like because of Hamas rockets.
And furthermore, if and I say if Gazans would have those clusters of birth defects, one has to also look at what may be under the dirt that is in the tunnels that permeate throughout under Gaza and may affect the water and dirt. Don't discount anything that may be underground because the people live right above it. Just like the citizens of Love Canal. They didn't know immediately what their homes were built upon. I doubt Hamas tells the population everything that is underground. Too many spies in Gaza I was told on the forum earlier.
BTW, I assure you that the MODs and silent readers of these forums that do not like what is said will point a finger and report any of us. That is not intimidation, that is a fact and their right. Like it or not!! Next time, I will stay silent on that so you don't yell I'm intimidating anyone if they get blocked out by the MODs. You win on that point Antjo. Truce

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Pretz,
You missed the point of the forum completely. No one but you is talking nuclear power in the ongoing current middleastern conflict forum. Please don't mix the issue in to stir the pot anymore that it already is.

GAZA, Jan 29 (Reuters) - A Palestinian has accused Islamist Hamas militants in control of the Gaza Strip of torturing and killing his brother for publicly criticising them.

Osama Atallah, a teacher, was a supporter of the Fatah movement of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. Hamas fighters drove Fatah militia out of Gaza in 2007 and fought Israel's army in a three-week war this month.

His brother, Bassam, said on Thursday that masked gunmen in two jeeps had arrived at the family home in the Gaza City on Tuesday. They identified themselves as members of Hamas internal security and arrested his brother Osama.

Bassam said the Hamas security service told the Atallah family that Osama would be released in a matter of hours. But a Hamas government official, who is also a member of the Atallah family, later denied the teacher was in custody.

The family subsequently received a telephone call from hospital that Osama Atallah was in critical condition.

He later died of his wounds.

Ibrahim Abu An-Naja, a senior Fatah leader in the Gaza Strip, was quoted in a statement as saying four to eight members of Fatah were killed by Hamas during the war with Israel.

The statement said Abu An-Naja declined to give names. He said Hamas gunmen has fired on members of Fatah and shot them in the legs, and some had been placed under house arrest.

Fatah sources said Osama Atallah, a Fatah activist, had been threatened by Hamas "because of his public and continued criticism of the performance of the Hamas militias in Gaza".

They accused Hamas of "severely torturing and then strangling" Osama Atallah. They said bullets in his body could have been fired after he died.

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Lilly, Fact is that ISRAEL IS ALSO A NUCLEAR POWER - and disposes of highly questionable nuclear and chemical weapons.
Where is the warranty they will not try or use them ?
But of course about this you don´t like to talk
Therefore I do not believe that Pretzel missed the point completely - the paragon is not far fetched as you want to make believe -
Its like you are trying to control this forum ? - playing the keeper of false onesided morals in this Thread - also then threatening with the MOD´s - Big Brother is watching sort of attitude - it´s so typical and pathetic -

As to your last post -
I am not saying Hamas is harmless in itself. But from you it sounds just like propaganda - See how bad they are - see what they are like ... But why you never - principally never - see any wrong in what the Israelians do -
We all know there could be pages filled with terrible misstreatments to thousends Palestinians by the Isralis.

Highfidelity

If you are correct and this has been their aim, Israel has, with the use of ten thousand heavily armed troops, a couple hundred battle tanks, a few hundred armored personnel carriers, fighter aircraft with bombs, missiles and guns as well as heavy artillery spent two weeks attempting to kill as many Palestinians as possible. In order to do this more efficiently they sealed off the borders and then moved in to conduct this blood bath.

In the end, after two weeks they only managed to kill 900 civilians and five hundred Hamas militants. A sad total for an army who had, in one week in 1967 killed 15000 soldiers from nine Arab countries on multiple fronts using less resources. Another analogy is that in 1994, the Hutu armed with pitchforks and machetes killed on average ten thousand Tutsis per day.

Please explain why, if genocide was the intent, they were only able to kill such small numbers of Palestinians.

Oh honey that's always the way it is when there's is no valid argument...you know that by now...Never let facts get in the way of someone's opinion...

what do you mean by unfinished business?