WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ?? (544)
Jan1305: Thanks hugs, I´ve used this song many times in my classes, in a general way as I can´t be seen as teaching bias in any way.
Yes it's a beautiful song and sure makes ya stop and think for sure...but these people live the realty of it every day as do all people who have lived through oppressive and genocidal regimes....
Yes I agree Harr...I didnt know a lot about the conflict itself so spoke in a very general way in the beginning about the problems that I could see without delving too deeply into what has actually led to the whole conflict...then I chose to do some research and knew immediately what it was...and it's not that hard to see...if ya choose to open your eyes that is....it's also not that hard to see what the solution has to be....
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You wanted numbers Drewski here they are...Lotsa firsts and only's in this video too...
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A quick and obvious correction;
Should read;
In response to: 2. Israel will not give up one inch/second/life/chance/opportunity to anybody unless their security and the security of any person who is an Israeli is lessened;
Should read;
In response to: 2. Israel will not give up one inch/second/life/chance/opportunity to anybody if their security and the security of any person who is an Israeli is lessened;
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Indyfella: Hopefully Barak will mind his own business and let Israel clean up the mess.
Oh, and murder more Civilians?
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Hugz_n_Kissez: You wanted numbers Drewski here they are...Lotsa firsts and only's in this video too...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6tABZpkl0k
Thank you!!
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Here's the whole story and everything we have been saying and posted in a nine part documentary...It's awesome and will help people understand what exactly has gone on and is at the root of this conflict...told by many Israeli people themselves...You have to watch the whole thing and only then will you get what we have been saying and why:
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Part 6
Part 7
Part 8
Part 9
I just watched the whole thing....and it's awesome....
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Part 6
Part 7
Part 8
Part 9
I just watched the whole thing....and it's awesome....
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rizlared: Well Hugz, you have singled out a man who is ridiculed and laughed at by the majority of the British electorate, he has been condemned by Jewish society for using his background to further his career and who then changes sides so that would give a better footing. As a part of Harold Wilson government, he single handedly managed to give so much power to the unions that is was the source of the three day week that brought the UK to its knees.
So basically,very few here in the UK would hold any credence to words uttered by this far left socialist who would stab his own grandmother in back if it meant he would further his career.
Sometimes, its a good idea to read about your sources from more than one angle, they are not always people you want to share the stage with.
So basically,very few here in the UK would hold any credence to words uttered by this far left socialist who would stab his own grandmother in back if it meant he would further his career.
Sometimes, its a good idea to read about your sources from more than one angle, they are not always people you want to share the stage with.
Maybe...but he isn't saying anything that the facts don't prove so let them laugh and ridicule...watch the documentary I posted...that not to mention everything I have posted backs up exactly what he says and then some...No he's a fine source for me...I like sources who tell the truth...those are often the ones ridiculed the most in case you haven't noticed...
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Hugz_n_Kissez: Maybe...but he isn't saying anything that the facts don't prove so let them laugh and ridicule...watch the documentary I posted...that not to mention everything I have posted backs up exactly what he says and then some...No he's a fine source for me...I like sources who tell the truth...those are often the ones ridiculed the most in case you haven't noticed...
I also like sources that are the truth, but when people refuse to even acknowledge that the post has relevance to the thread I give up, there is no point in trying to state a point when its just dismissed out of hand by people so blinkered is unreal.
I have posted many times that I disagree with the tactics used on BOTH side yet you specifically always ignore that and just post more propaganda to support your argument rather than seek a peaceful settlement.Not once have you openly condemned the actions of hamas, or posted any information showing the murders they have committed. Your whole view on this can be summed up as Palestine and hamas are in the right and never do wrong, Israel is always wrong and never does right.
Your only input has been to annihilate Israel and put everyone into one basket, a situation that would never work and you know it. So by your own premise, you want Israel to disappear, and to hell with all the peaceful and genuine Jewish people who live there, when you accept that Palestinians and hamas in particular have only one thing in mind and thats to rid the world of Jews then maybe we can have a realistic discussion, until then I just sit back and laugh at your attempts to discredit a much maligned and badly treated people.
As I have said so often on these threads, I believe in balanced discussions, not biased in any direction. Neither you or I are politicians involved in this conflict, we have no idea what is really taking place in the background and as such its a very foolish person who takes sides on hearsay, better to have an open mind and try and see both sides of the argument.
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I believe it is Hamas (Iran) that does not want any peace. Israel simply want to existing peacefully, and the radical Muslims want to destroy them.
Hamas had been firing rockets into Israel for months before Israel retaliated, and now, after this latest ceasefire, Hamas is again fireing rockets and mortars at Israel.
HELLO! DON'T YOU GET IT? FIRING AT ISRAEL IS NOT SEEKING PEACE!
Some people seem to think that is you repeat the same lie often enough, people will believe it.
Hamas had been firing rockets into Israel for months before Israel retaliated, and now, after this latest ceasefire, Hamas is again fireing rockets and mortars at Israel.
HELLO! DON'T YOU GET IT? FIRING AT ISRAEL IS NOT SEEKING PEACE!
Some people seem to think that is you repeat the same lie often enough, people will believe it.
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rizlared: I also like sources that are the truth, but when people refuse to even acknowledge that the post has relevance to the thread I give up, there is no point in trying to state a point when its just dismissed out of hand by people so blinkered is unreal.
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As I have said so often on these threads, I believe in balanced discussions, not biased in any direction. Neither you or I are politicians involved in this conflict, we have no idea what is really taking place in the background and as such its a very foolish person who takes sides on hearsay, better to have an open mind and try and see both sides of the argument.
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As I have said so often on these threads, I believe in balanced discussions, not biased in any direction. Neither you or I are politicians involved in this conflict, we have no idea what is really taking place in the background and as such its a very foolish person who takes sides on hearsay, better to have an open mind and try and see both sides of the argument.
Sounds good what you say. WE can start from this point I defend the Palestinian cause to retrieve their land (as I would back any other similar claim of any nation bullied by a big power). It does not mean to kill off the Jews or other people there. It should be necessary to eliminate both sides of extreme bigotry: fundamentalist Muslims and Zionists (and that small portion of Judaism that is right-wing Judaism) How to do so? Well just by suppressing the mechanisms of Western Civilization that produces selfish idiots that eat propaganda and have no control on their own lives 8and this task only sounds like fantasy and utopy as cultures and civilizations are monolithic structures. It is all or nothing)
You have depicted the attitude of Palestinian supporters here (and as usual always confusing it with supporting Hamas or other group) JUST BY describing the usual mental posture of all Israel supporters. You have described Palestina supporters by keeping in mind your own tactics (unfortunately I have to include you given your previous posters). It is true of course that there are many supporters of Palestina that have the same mental bigot attitude of all the Israel supporters, but here you could not find many like that amongst us. Of course you will say diferently. It is your point against mine.
And now you try to discredit "propaganda" Well there are two points:
-Usually propaganda eaters do not make any difference between plain propaganda with reports and studies (serious books etc.) They are not capacitated to do so. Are you?
- Second point and the most important: there is a huge difference between the propaganda of the oppressed ones and the oppressors, even if both are biased. Oppressor in human history have acted like viruses, have destroyed entire cultures and massacred millions of people just to claim the victims and cry: "terrorists" at the minimum action of rebellion of the miserable and oppressed ones. Certainly in the Middle East, Israel and the US have even learnt to use, promote and harness the "terrorist responses" of Arabs to conduct politics. This has given oppression a further level of evolution at this stage of human history. That is the kind of monsters that human beings have to face now (well, those that dare to defy the monsters and not those that live stupidised by their possessions and consumerism and little pleasures)
Well, if you are so unbiased and without knowing what you defend (after your turn into abstract holy "pacifism") I invite you to debate with me. Just you and I at high level (we can set a few rules first like avoiding certain reactions and stuff like that). We will see if all those stupid inventions and falsifications that have been being used to defend the usurpation and further expansion policies of Israel are so unbiased and truthful as you have suggested.
I wait for you reply.
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I love the fact the Israel is finally sticking up for themselves and it is Gaza this time who broke the cease fire.And some in Gaza even blame it on Hamas,besides that Obama said on CNN that Israel and Turkey are our biggest Allies in the middle east,he wont be doing anything against them,he stated how important Israel was to us,Just my opinion,and a friend I have in the Israel army said they are only starting because of the pre-election..All Israel wants is to be able to oversee the boarders more because GAZA is smuggling in weapons from Egypt to use against them,I would think thats not to much to ask,they do not want to cut off needed aid to Gaza.And Gaza has killed a lot of innocent people as well,and i doubt in my opinion we should even get involved.We point our finger at people, there is always three fingers pointing back at us,look how many innocent people my own country has killed,wow..Besides the fact that why would Gaza keep just poking a bear like Israel,they have a very powerful military and people would be singing a different tune in my opinion when we get attacked because it will happen and Israel is helping us..Then we wont think they are so bad.Just to tell people NO,I am against war and fighting anywhere it is stupid and sad,however I am 100% with Israel..And i dont argue opinions either thats what it is an opinion,unless we are government or God himself no one really knows what is going on and who is right and who is wrong,all we have is the news and we know by now hopefully how the news shows the worst of everything and we aren't seeing all that is happening to make an informed decision...
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Israel prepares post-war battle for public opinion.»
With the fighting over, foreign journalists and non-governmental organisations are expected to flood into the impoverished Palestinian territory to assess the damage from 22 days of massive bombing and shelling.
With this in mind, Israel is reportedly “readying a new offensive — the battle for public opinion.”
AFP reports Israel has begun compiling information to try to prove that many of the 4,000 residential buildings, 51 government buildings, and 20 mosques it hit during the offensive were legitimate targets used by Hamas militants.
At least six Israeli ministers will be “fanning out to different countries to press home Israel’s view of the conduct of the war.” Welfare Minister Isaac Herzog said Israel is aiming to prevent an ‘over-dramatization‘ of the facts.”
With the fighting over, foreign journalists and non-governmental organisations are expected to flood into the impoverished Palestinian territory to assess the damage from 22 days of massive bombing and shelling.
With this in mind, Israel is reportedly “readying a new offensive — the battle for public opinion.”
AFP reports Israel has begun compiling information to try to prove that many of the 4,000 residential buildings, 51 government buildings, and 20 mosques it hit during the offensive were legitimate targets used by Hamas militants.
At least six Israeli ministers will be “fanning out to different countries to press home Israel’s view of the conduct of the war.” Welfare Minister Isaac Herzog said Israel is aiming to prevent an ‘over-dramatization‘ of the facts.”
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highfidelity: Israel prepares post-war battle for public opinion.»
With the fighting over, foreign journalists and non-governmental organisations are expected to flood into the impoverished Palestinian territory to assess the damage from 22 days of massive bombing and shelling.
With this in mind, Israel is reportedly “readying a new offensive — the battle for public opinion.”
AFP reports Israel has begun compiling information to try to prove that many of the 4,000 residential buildings, 51 government buildings, and 20 mosques it hit during the offensive were legitimate targets used by Hamas militants.
At least six Israeli ministers will be “fanning out to different countries to press home Israel’s view of the conduct of the war.” Welfare Minister Isaac Herzog said Israel is aiming to prevent an ‘over-dramatization‘ of the facts.”
With the fighting over, foreign journalists and non-governmental organisations are expected to flood into the impoverished Palestinian territory to assess the damage from 22 days of massive bombing and shelling.
With this in mind, Israel is reportedly “readying a new offensive — the battle for public opinion.”
AFP reports Israel has begun compiling information to try to prove that many of the 4,000 residential buildings, 51 government buildings, and 20 mosques it hit during the offensive were legitimate targets used by Hamas militants.
At least six Israeli ministers will be “fanning out to different countries to press home Israel’s view of the conduct of the war.” Welfare Minister Isaac Herzog said Israel is aiming to prevent an ‘over-dramatization‘ of the facts.”
Do you actually have an opinion or can you only steal words from internet sources.
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When hundreds of Israeli soldiers start opposing the form of occupation and its methods of required oppressive conduct and inhuman treatment to Palestinians, something truly is happening that goes further to the right of protecting the own country.
Anyone questioning that they don´t know what is going on ? And that those guys are only anti Israel ??
Anyone questioning that they don´t know what is going on ? And that those guys are only anti Israel ??
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highfidelity: When hundreds of Israeli soldiers start opposing the form of occupation and its methods of required oppressive conduct and inhuman treatment to Palestinians, something truly is happening that goes further to the right of protecting the own country.
Anyone questioning that they don´t know what is going on ?
And you can´t be saying that those guys are only anti Israel ??
Anyone questioning that they don´t know what is going on ?
And you can´t be saying that those guys are only anti Israel ??
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Hamas and some of the Palasinian people are who are oppossing peace in Gaza....Like always
Because like many people have said on here time and time again Hamas will not be happy until all jews are killed...period, then if they were to accomplish that(which they won't) then they would try to kill westerners and anyone else who does not agree with Islam....
Isreal stopped their offensive, and pulled out and now what is Hamas doing......Firing rockets trying to kill innocent adults and children, but yet alot of you "CRAZIES" on here say Isrealis are the bad guys....
Isreal is now warning them again to STOP!!! or they will send in a huge force, but are they going to listen and stop NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... The Arab world LOVES the propaganda they can show on tv. to get LIBERALS on their side, because of the casualties of WAR! If the Palastinians were so worried about their kids, then why do many of them want their children to be suicide bombers, and why don't they help ISREAL to get rid of Hamas so that their children don't die as a casualty of war...
WHY??? Because most of them SUPPORT HAMAS..
Because like many people have said on here time and time again Hamas will not be happy until all jews are killed...period, then if they were to accomplish that(which they won't) then they would try to kill westerners and anyone else who does not agree with Islam....
Isreal stopped their offensive, and pulled out and now what is Hamas doing......Firing rockets trying to kill innocent adults and children, but yet alot of you "CRAZIES" on here say Isrealis are the bad guys....
Isreal is now warning them again to STOP!!! or they will send in a huge force, but are they going to listen and stop NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... The Arab world LOVES the propaganda they can show on tv. to get LIBERALS on their side, because of the casualties of WAR! If the Palastinians were so worried about their kids, then why do many of them want their children to be suicide bombers, and why don't they help ISREAL to get rid of Hamas so that their children don't die as a casualty of war...
WHY??? Because most of them SUPPORT HAMAS..
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highfidelity: When hundreds of Israeli soldiers start opposing the form of occupation and its methods of required oppressive conduct and inhuman treatment to Palestinians, something truly is happening that goes further to the right of protecting the own country.
Anyone questioning that they don´t know what is going on ? And that those guys are only anti Israel ??
Anyone questioning that they don´t know what is going on ? And that those guys are only anti Israel ??
When hundreds of hamas soldiers start opposing a form of legal occupation, and use methods of oppressive conduct and inhuman treatment to Israelis, something truly is happening that goes further to the right of protecting there own country.
Anyone questioning that, does not know what is going on!
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rizlared: When hundreds of hamas soldiers start opposing a form of legal occupation, and use methods of oppressive conduct and inhuman treatment to Israelis, something truly is happening that goes further to the right of protecting there own country.Anyone questioning that, does not know what is going on!
Sooo it is suddenly a legal occupation -
turning the facts around of who are the occupying forces - does not make it legal...
- you like this games of words - just make a thread of wordgames
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Tater: Hamas and some of the Palasinian people are who are oppossing peace in Gaza....Like always
Because like many people have said on here time and time again Hamas will not be happy until all jews are killed...period, then if they were to accomplish that(which they won't) then they would try to kill westerners and anyone else who does not agree with Islam....
Isreal stopped their offensive, and pulled out and now what is Hamas doing......Firing rockets trying to kill innocent adults and children, but yet alot of you "CRAZIES" on here say Isrealis are the bad guys....
Isreal is now warning them again to STOP!!! or they will send in a huge force, but are they going to listen and stop NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... The Arab world LOVES the propaganda they can show on tv. to get LIBERALS on their side, because of the casualties of WAR! If the Palastinians were so worried about their kids, then why do many of them want their children to be suicide bombers, and why don't they help ISREAL to get rid of Hamas so that their children don't die as a casualty of war...
WHY??? Because most of them SUPPORT HAMAS..
Because like many people have said on here time and time again Hamas will not be happy until all jews are killed...period, then if they were to accomplish that(which they won't) then they would try to kill westerners and anyone else who does not agree with Islam....
Isreal stopped their offensive, and pulled out and now what is Hamas doing......Firing rockets trying to kill innocent adults and children, but yet alot of you "CRAZIES" on here say Isrealis are the bad guys....
Isreal is now warning them again to STOP!!! or they will send in a huge force, but are they going to listen and stop NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... The Arab world LOVES the propaganda they can show on tv. to get LIBERALS on their side, because of the casualties of WAR! If the Palastinians were so worried about their kids, then why do many of them want their children to be suicide bombers, and why don't they help ISREAL to get rid of Hamas so that their children don't die as a casualty of war...
WHY??? Because most of them SUPPORT HAMAS..
There is a lot to what you say Tater, but this conflict is split between religion and greed, yes the Arab world want to be rid of Jews, that's a given. My fear though, is that the fanatical Islam world will group together, will attack Israel in force and it will result in world war 3, which in turn will become a repeat of the crusades, Christian against Muslim, the whole western world will be dragged into it, we need to learn from history not keep repeating it ad infinitum, the crusades were holy wrong, the Knights Templar did the most inhumane atrocities in the name of Christianity,rather than quoting all the bad things we need to learn that killing is not the answer, that two, three, four whatever number, of religions can live side by side without creating friction.
Someone on this forum said that having a school assembly was offensive and that if some wanted to pray they should go outside and do it, thats just intolerance, I have no problem with those who pray to God,Allah,Buddha or any other idol they believe in, all I ask is that they leave me to follow my own belief.
The conflict in Gaza and Israel is of paramount importance to the whole world, not because of what has taken place, but, what may take place in the future if peace is unattainable.
IMO
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And for each death, another person is willing to take arms...Each bomb, may kill an israeli soldier or citizen...or a Palestinian militant or civilian...but with each death several new soldiers or militants take their place. Its clear to the people who are their that the violence only deepens the pain and suffering and only further strains the ability to make peace. And the worst part, the main people behind the death and destruction are from abroad, Israelis from outside Israel...Palestinians supported by outside Arabs or Iranians...the sad thing is the Israeli Palestinian conflict is such game for outsiders...that is why the death of thousands means nothing to them...
Israelis and Palestinians that want peace should stop and think, who is bring the hate to their land, where they use to live side by side as brothers (and sisters).