WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ?? (544)
online today!online today!Conrad73Zurich, Switzerland204 Threads 6 Polls 59,471 PostsLILLYLADY: Conrad, that is some pretty heavy stuff on that site. Guess it shows the different ways people interpret the Koran laws. Wow, it's pretty graphic and brutal.
That is why I get peeved when I am told that People like this are supposed to be morally SUPERIOR.
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highfidelity: Be sure there are plenty of arrests without trial and revenge killings for that !
But I agree that there is always propaganda from both sides.
Only Israel has the better one ...perhaps the best Press control in the world.
Who listens to Hamas propaganda? The people in Gaza perhaps, and even more now - because of what happend.
As I posted before:
"An example of this process surrounds the most shocking atrocity of this war so far: the shelling of the UN Fakhura school in Jabaliya refugee camp.
Immediately after the incident became known throughout the world, the army “revealed” that Hamas fighters had been firing mortars from near the school entrance.
As proof they released an aerial photo which indeed showed the school and the mortar. But within a short time the official army liar had to admit that the photo was more than a year old.
A falsification.
Later the official liar claimed that “our soldiers were shot at from inside the school”.
Barely a day passed before the army had to admit to UN personnel that that was a lie, too.
Nobody had shot from inside the school, no Hamas fighters were inside the school, which was full of terrified refugees.
But the admission made hardly any difference anymore.
By that time, the Israeli public was completely convinced that “they shot from inside the school”, and TV announcers stated this as a simple fact.
But I agree that there is always propaganda from both sides.
Only Israel has the better one ...perhaps the best Press control in the world.
Who listens to Hamas propaganda? The people in Gaza perhaps, and even more now - because of what happend.
As I posted before:
"An example of this process surrounds the most shocking atrocity of this war so far: the shelling of the UN Fakhura school in Jabaliya refugee camp.
Immediately after the incident became known throughout the world, the army “revealed” that Hamas fighters had been firing mortars from near the school entrance.
As proof they released an aerial photo which indeed showed the school and the mortar. But within a short time the official army liar had to admit that the photo was more than a year old.
A falsification.
Later the official liar claimed that “our soldiers were shot at from inside the school”.
Barely a day passed before the army had to admit to UN personnel that that was a lie, too.
Nobody had shot from inside the school, no Hamas fighters were inside the school, which was full of terrified refugees.
But the admission made hardly any difference anymore.
By that time, the Israeli public was completely convinced that “they shot from inside the school”, and TV announcers stated this as a simple fact.
No it was said that they fired a rocket from the school, which they did... It looked from the video that shows the attack, that they were about 30ft. away from the school. so yes Isreal fired a missle at its target...
your post are so biased and hate directed it is pathetic..
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Highfidelity
Sure, there is but seems your antennae are tuned to the Koolective sound machine from Hamas. wondering why you only promote the Palestinian propaganda against Israel and never the reverse.
Can you at least say that you think that Hamas, the government of Palestine is wrong? Wrong in both using their own children as human bombs to deliberately target Israeli children and, that their charter which states that a Jihad must obliterate the state of Israel and, that their official stance of hiding behind women and children and using them as human shields is wrong?
If you can't, and only complain about Israel's actions then you are simply part of the problem which you complain about.
Highfidelity
For a place where supposedly no news was getting out you sure were able to write a lot of the Israeli atrocities occurring there so I suppose you do.
Highfidelity
And as I commented on before that contrary to what many were saying, unlike Hamas which does not admit to using too much force or, to making errors or, holding inquiries, at least Israel goes through the motions.
In response to:
But I agree that there is always propaganda from both sides.
But I agree that there is always propaganda from both sides.
Sure, there is but seems your antennae are tuned to the Koolective sound machine from Hamas. wondering why you only promote the Palestinian propaganda against Israel and never the reverse.
Can you at least say that you think that Hamas, the government of Palestine is wrong? Wrong in both using their own children as human bombs to deliberately target Israeli children and, that their charter which states that a Jihad must obliterate the state of Israel and, that their official stance of hiding behind women and children and using them as human shields is wrong?
If you can't, and only complain about Israel's actions then you are simply part of the problem which you complain about.
Highfidelity
In response to: Who listens to Hamas propaganda? The people in Gaza perhaps, and even more now - because of what happend.
For a place where supposedly no news was getting out you sure were able to write a lot of the Israeli atrocities occurring there so I suppose you do.
Highfidelity
In response to: As I posted before:
And as I commented on before that contrary to what many were saying, unlike Hamas which does not admit to using too much force or, to making errors or, holding inquiries, at least Israel goes through the motions.
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Drew,
I don't think that any Hamas does anything wrong. Do you? At least that's what they are telling the world and trying to make everyone believe. Nothing is their fault ever, never never their fault. Absolutely nothing. They make no mistakes ever. Everything is only Israel's fault and therefore Israel must be held accountable and be anihilated from this earth.
Now if anyone believes that, then they'd believe that a cow can jump over the moon.
Somehow, this is the palestinian message that I seem to be getting from reading all the stuff some of the CSers are posting. Not sure I buy into Hamas innocense though. But evidently, many of the CSers do through the eyes and articles of Al-Jazeera.
Now let's hope some CSer doesn't lift only part of one of my sentences, highlight and bold it and pull things out of context. That usually is the case I've noticed.
I don't think that any Hamas does anything wrong. Do you? At least that's what they are telling the world and trying to make everyone believe. Nothing is their fault ever, never never their fault. Absolutely nothing. They make no mistakes ever. Everything is only Israel's fault and therefore Israel must be held accountable and be anihilated from this earth.
Now if anyone believes that, then they'd believe that a cow can jump over the moon.
Somehow, this is the palestinian message that I seem to be getting from reading all the stuff some of the CSers are posting. Not sure I buy into Hamas innocense though. But evidently, many of the CSers do through the eyes and articles of Al-Jazeera.
Now let's hope some CSer doesn't lift only part of one of my sentences, highlight and bold it and pull things out of context. That usually is the case I've noticed.
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LILLYLADY: Drew,
I think Hugz has had it for the night. Perhaps you put her brain in the meat grinder too much and turned it into chopped liver? Oooh...you are a bad boy to do that to her.
She seemed to be going in circles after a point and started getting mad at you because you could counter punch everything she said and with valid website info.
BTW, noticed something on the news today that says that Hamas has been steadily firing rockets into Israel breaking the truce again. So the world can now see that Hamas can't even keep their own word. Steadily keep losing their credibility in the eyes of the world now. Guess they are looking to engage the Israelis again and get a few 1000 more of their civilians killed in collateral damage again.
It's pretty sad when their Islamic brethren worked hard to help work out a truce to try to save their people... Hamas and Israel sign it and Hamas turns around and figures that's the green light to restart shooting and Israel won't shoot back. Gaza is in for one big surprise again.
Guess Hamas will be yelling again, "Israel is killing our people. This is a palestinian holocaust."
I think Hugz has had it for the night. Perhaps you put her brain in the meat grinder too much and turned it into chopped liver? Oooh...you are a bad boy to do that to her.
She seemed to be going in circles after a point and started getting mad at you because you could counter punch everything she said and with valid website info.
BTW, noticed something on the news today that says that Hamas has been steadily firing rockets into Israel breaking the truce again. So the world can now see that Hamas can't even keep their own word. Steadily keep losing their credibility in the eyes of the world now. Guess they are looking to engage the Israelis again and get a few 1000 more of their civilians killed in collateral damage again.
It's pretty sad when their Islamic brethren worked hard to help work out a truce to try to save their people... Hamas and Israel sign it and Hamas turns around and figures that's the green light to restart shooting and Israel won't shoot back. Gaza is in for one big surprise again.
Guess Hamas will be yelling again, "Israel is killing our people. This is a palestinian holocaust."
No actually he didn't...I am through arguing about pettiness..and yes Barron I can relate...and no it's not any different in the Middle East in fact it's the same....I don't see my own plight I see the same plight...the same similarities and the same oppression and genocide...Thank You Mark for your nice thoughts though ..and for letting these people know...I am not just a talker I am a doer on behalf of my own people not just legally but politically as well..so see I am bright enough to see and know the difference people...I am bright enough to know what oppression and genocide is...I haven't just lived it...I have fought against it....Anyway I am not gonna carry on with this pettiness...you just keep your eyes closed and let your fellow human beings continue to be treated like dogs....and be killed off...as for me...I will continue what I do....cause my eyes are wide open....
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Hugz_n_Kissez: No actually he didn't...I am through arguing about pettiness..and yes Barron I can relate...and no it's not any different in the Middle East in fact it's the same....I don't see my own plight I see the same plight...the same similarities and the same oppression and genocide...Thank You Mark for your nice thoughts though ..and for letting these people know...I am not just a talker I am a doer on behalf of my own people not just legally but politically as well..so see I am bright enough to see and know the difference people...I am bright enough to know what oppression and genocide is...I haven't just lived it...I have fought against it....Anyway I am not gonna carry on with this pettiness...you just keep your eyes closed and let your fellow human beings continue to be treated like dogs....and be killed off...as for me...I will continue what I do....cause my eyes are wide open....
Sorry, I don't buy into alot of the crap that you and others have flagrantly posted. It's all masked as Jew hate. My eyes are wide open lady and have been all along.
I'm not going to start cut n pasting 1000s of pages of books, web sites, videos of the history of the oppression, murder and annihilation of my people over 1000s of years. It would far outdo any of the Hamas propaganda that has been posted here. If you really cared about oppression and genocide and could identify with it, then perhaps start really digging into the history of the Jewish people from their perspective for a change. You just might find that their story is also your story....but just that it goes on for a much longer time in history. If for once you ever really seriously did that, then I might give you some credibility to your rantings. My eyes have been wide open sister, yours have been closed or narrowed with blinders right from the start.
You say you take up for the oppressed. Go study the Jewish history for a change. And don't try to lay the trip on me that the Jews are committing holocaust to Palestinians. As some CSers pointed out to you specifically, you need to read the Hamas charter as it pertains to Israel.
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LILLYLADY: Conrad, that is some pretty heavy stuff on that site. Guess it shows the different ways people interpret the Koran laws. Wow, it's pretty graphic and brutal.
just if you have some more extra time you have a pretty have stuff to read ....
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LILLYLADY: Conrad, that is some pretty heavy stuff on that site. Guess it shows the different ways people interpret the Koran laws. Wow, it's pretty graphic and brutal.
and this is the heaviest pic's with love..
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And I don't care for you either Hugz!! And I don't care for the dribble you write either. Nor do I really care if you've been here on CS 3 years or 20 years. You do keep your eyes closed.
If ya want some eye openers, try going to Israel and meet some civilian survivors of the suicide bombers or the Lod airport bombings back in the 70s. Well I did. The Islamic terrorist agenda: their annihilation because they are Jews.
Israel is open for tourism. You're free to travel there. But you may not be so easily able to travel and speak your mind freely in some of the Arabic countries. You're a woman, western and outspoken.Islamic culture is very male dominated.You will be treated well if you "stay in line."
If ya want to criticize the Jews, that is your right. But in the end, hopefully you will realize that the Jews and Israel are not going to move their state nor are they going to perish as a people.And their medicine, science and education are pretty good too. And they are not going to continue to allow themselves to get their civilians shot at without blasting back.
They are a tough bunch to survive 1000s of years of oppression and annihilation agenda though. You have to admit that. And if not, then you really are walking around with your eyes closed.
If ya want some eye openers, try going to Israel and meet some civilian survivors of the suicide bombers or the Lod airport bombings back in the 70s. Well I did. The Islamic terrorist agenda: their annihilation because they are Jews.
Israel is open for tourism. You're free to travel there. But you may not be so easily able to travel and speak your mind freely in some of the Arabic countries. You're a woman, western and outspoken.Islamic culture is very male dominated.You will be treated well if you "stay in line."
If ya want to criticize the Jews, that is your right. But in the end, hopefully you will realize that the Jews and Israel are not going to move their state nor are they going to perish as a people.And their medicine, science and education are pretty good too. And they are not going to continue to allow themselves to get their civilians shot at without blasting back.
They are a tough bunch to survive 1000s of years of oppression and annihilation agenda though. You have to admit that. And if not, then you really are walking around with your eyes closed.
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LILLYLADY: And I don't care for you either Hugz!! And I don't care for the dribble you write either. Nor do I really care if you've been here on CS 3 years or 20 years. You do keep your eyes closed.
If ya want some eye openers, try going to Israel and meet some civilian survivors of the suicide bombers or the Lod airport bombings back in the 70s. Well I did. The Islamic terrorist agenda: their annihilation because they are Jews.
Israel is open for tourism. You're free to travel there. But you may not be so easily able to travel and speak your mind freely in some of the Arabic countries. You're a woman, western and outspoken.Islamic culture is very male dominated.You will be treated well if you "stay in line."
If ya want to criticize the Jews, that is your right. But in the end, hopefully you will realize that the Jews and Israel are not going to move their state nor are they going to perish as a people.And their medicine, science and education are pretty good too. And they are not going to continue to allow themselves to get their civilians shot at without blasting back.
They are a tough bunch to survive 1000s of years of oppression and annihilation agenda though. You have to admit that. And if not, then you really are walking around with your eyes closed.
If ya want some eye openers, try going to Israel and meet some civilian survivors of the suicide bombers or the Lod airport bombings back in the 70s. Well I did. The Islamic terrorist agenda: their annihilation because they are Jews.
Israel is open for tourism. You're free to travel there. But you may not be so easily able to travel and speak your mind freely in some of the Arabic countries. You're a woman, western and outspoken.Islamic culture is very male dominated.You will be treated well if you "stay in line."
If ya want to criticize the Jews, that is your right. But in the end, hopefully you will realize that the Jews and Israel are not going to move their state nor are they going to perish as a people.And their medicine, science and education are pretty good too. And they are not going to continue to allow themselves to get their civilians shot at without blasting back.
They are a tough bunch to survive 1000s of years of oppression and annihilation agenda though. You have to admit that. And if not, then you really are walking around with your eyes closed.
No I don't keep my eyes closed...they're wide open...I know what goes on...o both sides...I just don't happen to agree with one of them....I am not criticizing the Jews..I am criticizing Zionism and the oppression and genocide of the Palestinian people by the Government of Israel....you would think your eyes would be open...when it's your own people....The Jewish and Israeli people saying the things I have been posting....BUT I guess that's all just drivel and they are liars...sooooo be it...I am on the side of justice and humanity....you be on the side you want....
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callibya: Israel is open for tourism. You're free to travel there. But you may not be so easily able to travel and speak your mind freely in some of the Arabic countries. You're a woman, western and outspoken.
Hugz.. Israel is open but you have to be deaf and blind or you'll face the real men there.....
"Rachel Corrie" case...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErEK8pTFT1k
Hugz.. Israel is open but you have to be deaf and blind or you'll face the real men there.....
"Rachel Corrie" case...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErEK8pTFT1k
callibya: Israel is open for tourism. You're free to travel there. But you may not be so easily able to travel and speak your mind freely in some of the Arabic countries. You're a woman, western and outspoken.
Hugz.. Israel is open but you have to be deaf and blind or you'll face the real men there.....
"Rachel Corrie" case...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErEK8pTFT1k
Hugz.. Israel is open but you have to be deaf and blind or you'll face the real men there.....
"Rachel Corrie" case...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErEK8pTFT1k
Yes I know but it's not open if you come from Gaza or the West Bank...and I know about Rachel Cory too...if you watched the documentary I posted...she was on there...so was her family and so was an exerpt of her giving a speech at 11 years old I think...about ending poverty and the ills of the world...she was classic woman of her word....and her death was a tragedy....
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Hugz
Whatever Hugz. I called you on your vid and now you are to debate counter points after you called every statement in it a fact. Your newer 'facts' mean nothing as they are probably rehashed from the same video so until this is settled, you don't have much credibility.
In response to: Yes Jew hate is why most of my references came from Jews for Justice...and why I posted the video of the Jewish Rabbi and the Jewish MP from the U.K..
Whatever Hugz. I called you on your vid and now you are to debate counter points after you called every statement in it a fact. Your newer 'facts' mean nothing as they are probably rehashed from the same video so until this is settled, you don't have much credibility.
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Drewski: Hugz
Whatever Hugz. I called you on your vid and now you are to debate counter points after you called every statement in it a fact. Your newer 'facts' mean nothing as they are probably rehashed from the same video so until this is settled, you don't have much credibility.
Whatever Hugz. I called you on your vid and now you are to debate counter points after you called every statement in it a fact. Your newer 'facts' mean nothing as they are probably rehashed from the same video so until this is settled, you don't have much credibility.
One video where your facts disprove nothing...Like I said I am not debating pettiness...it has nothing to do with the big picture of things....I have all the credibility in the world...Just cause you threw in some facts that aren't even the same..as the facts that were on the video and said they aren't true...gives you some credibility...I think not....
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Hugz_n_Kissez: Yes I know but it's not open if you come from Gaza or the West Bank...and I know about Rachel Cory too...if you watched the documentary I posted...she was on there...so was her family and so was an exerpt of her giving a speech at 11 years old I think...about ending poverty and the ills of the world...she was classic woman of her word....and her death was a tragedy....
with Cold blood they killed her...
Have fun Hugz with this Joke... Called "Top priority"
"When Golda Meir held the office of Israeli Prime Minister, she tried to encourage Henry Kissinger to make Israel a top priority.
He sent her a letter: "I would like to inform you that I'm first an American citizen; second, Secretary of State; and third, a Jew."
She responded: "In Israel, we read from right to left."
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callibya: with Cold blood they killed her...
Have fun Hugz with this Joke... Called "Top priority"
"When Golda Meir held the office of Israeli Prime Minister, she tried to encourage Henry Kissinger to make Israel a top priority.
He sent her a letter: "I would like to inform you that I'm first an American citizen; second, Secretary of State; and third, a Jew."
She responded: "In Israel, we read from right to left."
Have fun Hugz with this Joke... Called "Top priority"
"When Golda Meir held the office of Israeli Prime Minister, she tried to encourage Henry Kissinger to make Israel a top priority.
He sent her a letter: "I would like to inform you that I'm first an American citizen; second, Secretary of State; and third, a Jew."
She responded: "In Israel, we read from right to left."
Yes I know they did...and the U.S. Congress also refused the families request for an investigation into the matter....
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Hugz
Oh really?
You said that your video was all factual and challenged me to disprove it and now, you still come here to say that Fathi Ahmad Hammad, member of the Palestinian Legislative Council never said this ......
What he said......
Hammad is a leader of the Izzedeen al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas, and in 2006 was elected to the Palestinian Parliament as a Hamas representative. He is also director of Al-Aqsa TV, which aired his comments on February 29.
Even though you say he never said it you can watch him say it here .....
Point from Hugz video proved false in this post .....
Hugz
Which ones are not on the video Hugz? Wondering, have you even seen the thing? I have and, typed out the contentious lies as they flashed up on the screen then did some research to expose most of them as fabrications. You obviously have not seen it.
Hugz contentions =
In response to: I have all the credibility in the world.
Oh really?
You said that your video was all factual and challenged me to disprove it and now, you still come here to say that Fathi Ahmad Hammad, member of the Palestinian Legislative Council never said this ......What he said......
In response to: For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: "We desire death like you desire life."
Hammad is a leader of the Izzedeen al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas, and in 2006 was elected to the Palestinian Parliament as a Hamas representative. He is also director of Al-Aqsa TV, which aired his comments on February 29.
Even though you say he never said it you can watch him say it here .....Point from Hugz video proved false in this post .....
In response to: Israel stands unique in using human shields in military operations.
Hugz
In response to: Just cause you threw in some facts that aren't even the same..as the facts that were on the video and said they aren't true...gives you some credibility...I think not.
Which ones are not on the video Hugz? Wondering, have you even seen the thing? I have and, typed out the contentious lies as they flashed up on the screen then did some research to expose most of them as fabrications. You obviously have not seen it.
Hugz contentions =
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Drewski: Hugz
Oh really? You said that your video was all factual and challenged me to disprove it and now, you still come here to say that Fathi Ahmad Hammad, member of the Palestinian Legislative Council never said this ......
What he said......
Hammad is a leader of the Izzedeen al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas, and in 2006 was elected to the Palestinian Parliament as a Hamas representative. He is also director of Al-Aqsa TV, which aired his comments on February 29.
Even though you say he never said it you can watch him say it here .....
Point from Hugz video proved false in this post .....
Hugz
Which ones are not on the video Hugz? Wondering, have you even seen the thing? I have and, typed out the contentious lies as they flashed up on the screen then did some research to expose most of them as fabrications. You obviously have not seen it.
Hugz contentions =
Oh really? You said that your video was all factual and challenged me to disprove it and now, you still come here to say that Fathi Ahmad Hammad, member of the Palestinian Legislative Council never said this ......
What he said......
Hammad is a leader of the Izzedeen al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas, and in 2006 was elected to the Palestinian Parliament as a Hamas representative. He is also director of Al-Aqsa TV, which aired his comments on February 29.
Even though you say he never said it you can watch him say it here .....
Point from Hugz video proved false in this post .....
Hugz
Which ones are not on the video Hugz? Wondering, have you even seen the thing? I have and, typed out the contentious lies as they flashed up on the screen then did some research to expose most of them as fabrications. You obviously have not seen it.
Hugz contentions =
Guess what....Hamas is not military it's group of civilians...they have no army....How's that for false....
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Hugz
Hamas is a group of civilians? Hugz, it is the government of the nation of Palestine. It has all the functions and responsibilities of a normal government which include social welfare, education, law enforcement, defense and such. It is not simply a gaggle of guys.
Here are five hundred thousand links about the Military Wing of Hamas.
Oh, and you know the guy who was quoted as saying he and his army would use civilians as human shields? He's Fathi Ahmad Hammad, leader of the Izzedeen al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas.
Hugz
In response to: Guess what....Hamas is not military it's group of civilians...they have no army....How's that for false.
Hamas is a group of civilians? Hugz, it is the government of the nation of Palestine. It has all the functions and responsibilities of a normal government which include social welfare, education, law enforcement, defense and such. It is not simply a gaggle of guys.
Here are five hundred thousand links about the Military Wing of Hamas.
Oh, and you know the guy who was quoted as saying he and his army would use civilians as human shields? He's Fathi Ahmad Hammad, leader of the Izzedeen al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas.
Hugz
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Drewski: Hugz
Hamas is a group of civilians? Hugz, it is the government of the nation of Palestine. It has all the functions and responsibilities of a normal government which include social welfare, education, law enforcement, defense and such. It is not simply a gaggle of guys.
Here are five hundred thousand links about the Military Wing of Hamas.
Oh, and you know the guy who was quoted as saying he and his army would use civilians as human shields? He's Fathi Ahmad Hammad, leader of the Izzedeen al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas.
Hugz
Hamas is a group of civilians? Hugz, it is the government of the nation of Palestine. It has all the functions and responsibilities of a normal government which include social welfare, education, law enforcement, defense and such. It is not simply a gaggle of guys.
Here are five hundred thousand links about the Military Wing of Hamas.
Oh, and you know the guy who was quoted as saying he and his army would use civilians as human shields? He's Fathi Ahmad Hammad, leader of the Izzedeen al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas.
Hugz
With no military force....
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Hugz_n_Kissez: With no military force....
Funny they have a military using home-made weapons...
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