WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ?? (544)
Hugz_n_Kissez: The thing that people don't understand is that you have to look at the past in order to make peace for the future...you have to look at how things got the way they are and why...and those things have to be rectified and addressed before you can move on to any future...it's not enough to look at today because in the past lies the root of the conflict...that's why it's a must...without solving the root...you don't solve the problem...
But you have read so much Hugs and yet still don't understand the history, because you only read one side.
Israel lies in a land with some of the oldest archaeological evidence of primitive towns and agriculture. Historians and archaeologists believe the Hebrews probably arrived in the area in the second millennium B.C. The nation itself was formed as the Israelites left Egypt during the Exodus, believed to be in the late 13th century B.C.
The 12 tribes of Israel united in about 1050 B.C., forming the Kingdom of Israel. David, the second king of Israel, established Jerusalem as Israel's national capital 3,000 years ago. Jewish kingdoms and states existed intermittently in the region for a millennium.
And so it goes on, all the history is there Hugz,there is so much proof that Israel has as much right to be there as the Arabs living in Palestine, but as long as those Arabs want to rid the world of Israel so the conflict will continue.
I don't agree with your premise that we need to look back and see what caused the conflict, we are all well aware of the cause, its the future I care about and I genuinely worry what type of world we will leave to our children, instead of repeating history lets learn from it amd move forward to a peaceful and harmonious existence with each other
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rizlared: If you wish to call me manes and innuendos, thats your prerogative, but, its you who will look foolish and ignorant by doing so, its a bad looser who resorts to name calling and gutter remarks.
But I can see that you are unable to deny that weapons are being used by hamas and that you know wish to divert the argument away to some other topic.
I wish you well my friend.
But I can see that you are unable to deny that weapons are being used by hamas and that you know wish to divert the argument away to some other topic.
I wish you well my friend.
just stop using the Rusty Label " anti-sem's" cuz the Palestinians are Sem's too and think about the Zionists occupation and than you'll have the answer why the Palestinians resisting groups using weapons against the enemy of the Jews and Palestinians..and the whole world...
I wish you the best and well too my Friend..
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rizlared: But you have read so much Hugs and yet still don't understand the history, because you only read one side.
Israel lies in a land with some of the oldest archaeological evidence of primitive towns and agriculture. Historians and archaeologists believe the Hebrews probably arrived in the area in the second millennium B.C. The nation itself was formed as the Israelites left Egypt during the Exodus, believed to be in the late 13th century B.C.
The 12 tribes of Israel united in about 1050 B.C., forming the Kingdom of Israel. David, the second king of Israel, established Jerusalem as Israel's national capital 3,000 years ago. Jewish kingdoms and states existed intermittently in the region for a millennium.
And so it goes on, all the history is there Hugz,there is so much proof that Israel has as much right to be there as the Arabs living in Palestine, but as long as those Arabs want to rid the world of Israel so the conflict will continue.
I don't agree with your premise that we need to look back and see what caused the conflict, we are all well aware of the cause, its the future I care about and I genuinely worry what type of world we will leave to our children, instead of repeating history lets learn from it amd move forward to a peaceful and harmonious existence with each other
Israel lies in a land with some of the oldest archaeological evidence of primitive towns and agriculture. Historians and archaeologists believe the Hebrews probably arrived in the area in the second millennium B.C. The nation itself was formed as the Israelites left Egypt during the Exodus, believed to be in the late 13th century B.C.
The 12 tribes of Israel united in about 1050 B.C., forming the Kingdom of Israel. David, the second king of Israel, established Jerusalem as Israel's national capital 3,000 years ago. Jewish kingdoms and states existed intermittently in the region for a millennium.
And so it goes on, all the history is there Hugz,there is so much proof that Israel has as much right to be there as the Arabs living in Palestine, but as long as those Arabs want to rid the world of Israel so the conflict will continue.
I don't agree with your premise that we need to look back and see what caused the conflict, we are all well aware of the cause, its the future I care about and I genuinely worry what type of world we will leave to our children, instead of repeating history lets learn from it amd move forward to a peaceful and harmonious existence with each other
I do understand...like my example of the Native people in North America...does that now give us the right to go and bulldoze the people off their land?????
Would expect resistance to that???
Like I said...I understand both sides...I don't agree with one...
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Hugz_n_Kissez: I'm just going by your same premise Drewski....
Hugz,why are you getting so personal? I fail to see what relevance his background is, surly the importance is whether his posts are accurate and truthful.
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rizlared: Hugz,why are you getting so personal? I fail to see what relevance his background is, surly the importance is whether his posts are accurate and truthful.
Because he has done that to me..so he claimed to be First Nations...now I am asking him to back up that claim...just as he has continually asked me to back up mine....
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Hugz_n_Kissez: Because he has done that to me..so he claimed to be First Nations...now I am asking him to back up that claim...just as he has continually asked me to back up mine....
Oh, I never saw anything posted, must have missed it
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rizlared: Oh, I never saw anything posted, must have missed it
Yes he posted it...right in the middle of my experiences of oppression and genocide and how I fight both politically and legally for my people...and conferring my understanding on exactly how I know what it is...
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Thank you for your responses to my questions. I'm going to leave for a while. I wish you all the best at your debate. 
My last opinion for now,
As a State Israel has the right to exist and defend itself. As long as they are threatened or attacked, they will retaliate and defend their people, state, and existence.
As people, the Palestinians also have the right to exist and defend themselves. They deserve a place to call home, as equally as anyone. And it seems until they achieve their state, they will also continue to fight.
I don't think the Israelis are trying to create a genocide of the Palestinian people. At best, I would say that they are sometimes careless in the casualties of civilians. But, I wouldn't go so far as to say they are war criminals or mass murders. Some of their tactics are questionable, but no more questionable then those used by Palestinians.
Well, I will leave you all for now, to continue to debate this. Take care my friend!
My last opinion for now,
As a State Israel has the right to exist and defend itself. As long as they are threatened or attacked, they will retaliate and defend their people, state, and existence.
As people, the Palestinians also have the right to exist and defend themselves. They deserve a place to call home, as equally as anyone. And it seems until they achieve their state, they will also continue to fight.
I don't think the Israelis are trying to create a genocide of the Palestinian people. At best, I would say that they are sometimes careless in the casualties of civilians. But, I wouldn't go so far as to say they are war criminals or mass murders. Some of their tactics are questionable, but no more questionable then those used by Palestinians.
Well, I will leave you all for now, to continue to debate this. Take care my friend!
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Oh and one last thing, my apologizes if I have offended or angered anyone on this thread
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Hugz
In response to: You didn't answer my question...which First Nation are you from????
You're right I didn't. One thing at a time and your tardiness in addressing my rebuttals to your four day old post is not about to get my answer any faster.
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Hugz,
I've been in line waiting for you to answer my questions to you from page 21 of this forum that goes back to Jan 31st. Appreciate ya taking a look back if ya don't mind. I've been rather patient.
In response to: You didn't answer my question...which First Nation are you from????
You're right I didn't. One thing at a time and your tardiness in addressing my rebuttals to your four day old post is not about to get my answer any faster.
(CONTENTS OF DIALOGUE OF DREWSKI AND HUGZ)
Hugz,
I've been in line waiting for you to answer my questions to you from page 21 of this forum that goes back to Jan 31st. Appreciate ya taking a look back if ya don't mind. I've been rather patient.
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Well you won't get any answers either...cause I am not answering to pettiness anymore...ohhhhhhh and I thought we weren't suppose to answer for others according to you...that brings suspicion up on us being the same person and the one the question was asked to...Doesn't it????
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Hugz_n_Kissez: Well you won't get any answers either...cause I am not answering to pettiness anymore...ohhhhhhh and I thought we weren't suppose to answer for others according to you...that brings suspicion up on us being the same person and the one the question was asked to...Doesn't it????
Hellooooo Hugz,
I'm not answering any questions that you are personally asking Drew.Those are for you both to work with. And I think he has been answering his questions quite well.
In this case here, I am merely stating to you that you also have unanswered questions from me. I am not budding into your back and forth question and answer session with giving answers on behalf of Drew. Yet Ray answered questions that I asked you directly. That made me question either who is who way on back.
Look, if you are truly an educated person, you will take a look again at the posting you are griping about that I wrote. If you still believe I am answering Drew's questions, then you bring me and anyone else reading your post to believe that "you don't know your tushie from a hole in the ground." I'm trying to be polite but I don't know how else to tell you. Some people might be a bit cruder, but I am trying to keep it somewhat civil. Anyone reading this forum will laugh like heck at what you just wrote to me because you make absolutely no sense what you have just written and stated. C'mon, remove your blinders and wake up already!!!
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Hugz
Pardon me? I debate with facts, civility and when I do attack, it is the supposed fact or opinion not the poster. Unlike yourself who not voluminous cut and pastes that I cannot back up when challenged on it, I told you that when address them all I will certainly reciprocate. After all, why should I tell somebody something personal that does not even back up their own shtick when refuted?
Hugz
Well for that matter, why should I give personal information to somebody who refuses to even address the points they asked for previously? I've had experience as a minority but as for being oppressed or experiencing genocide, .... please.
Now, still waiting for you to address your outstanding and rather old points to which you challenged me to refute before we move onto new business thanks.
In response to: as long as you continue to debate the way you are
Pardon me? I debate with facts, civility and when I do attack, it is the supposed fact or opinion not the poster. Unlike yourself who not voluminous cut and pastes that I cannot back up when challenged on it, I told you that when address them all I will certainly reciprocate. After all, why should I tell somebody something personal that does not even back up their own shtick when refuted?
Hugz
In response to: Why should anyone believe someone who has to lie about who they are...especially when put in the context that you have had some experience with oppression and genocide????
Well for that matter, why should I give personal information to somebody who refuses to even address the points they asked for previously? I've had experience as a minority but as for being oppressed or experiencing genocide, .... please.
Now, still waiting for you to address your outstanding and rather old points to which you challenged me to refute before we move onto new business thanks.
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(Lillylady)
Maybe from where you live - you have not noticed that the whole world has taken NOTICE - Europe - the Americas - Asia and all the others watching unbelivable happenings - more than in the US - they where busy - time was choosen on holidays and election of Obama !
You are seemingly not connected to the whole world picture at all -you spit hatered for Arab people calling all terrorists - sounds familiar to the bushies.. - what makes you stand for nothing but senseless Zionistic believe - Hey but in the same time you claim to be a pacific Humanitarian ?
Where you think is the real reason for Israel bombing and bulldozing so many homes of palestinans plentyfull also in the surroundings of Jerusalem and the Westbank, including the "New Israeli Residential Areas" land of Palestinian out-skirts right at hand to the thiefs, namely the Orchards, Olive grooves which where planted by their great grand fathers - rightly documented on deeds and recognised already by the British - Haaaaa People of No Land have documents ! Recognize them Israel if you want Peace!
Now Gaza still living in a KZ - while they blew them up totally in the last operation like cowards - Tunnels you shout Tunnels they need them to survive as the Jews in the Warsaw Getto - its sooo sad - Germany lives with a big "mea culpa maxima" and there is the whole saying of "Never again"!!!!
And ought to know dear Jewish Lady - nobody hates you -
But be sure "Never again" must not be abused again in this way !
Maybe from where you live - you have not noticed that the whole world has taken NOTICE - Europe - the Americas - Asia and all the others watching unbelivable happenings - more than in the US - they where busy - time was choosen on holidays and election of Obama !
You are seemingly not connected to the whole world picture at all -you spit hatered for Arab people calling all terrorists - sounds familiar to the bushies.. - what makes you stand for nothing but senseless Zionistic believe - Hey but in the same time you claim to be a pacific Humanitarian ?
Where you think is the real reason for Israel bombing and bulldozing so many homes of palestinans plentyfull also in the surroundings of Jerusalem and the Westbank, including the "New Israeli Residential Areas" land of Palestinian out-skirts right at hand to the thiefs, namely the Orchards, Olive grooves which where planted by their great grand fathers - rightly documented on deeds and recognised already by the British - Haaaaa People of No Land have documents ! Recognize them Israel if you want Peace!
Now Gaza still living in a KZ - while they blew them up totally in the last operation like cowards - Tunnels you shout Tunnels they need them to survive as the Jews in the Warsaw Getto - its sooo sad - Germany lives with a big "mea culpa maxima" and there is the whole saying of "Never again"!!!!
And ought to know dear Jewish Lady - nobody hates you -
But be sure "Never again" must not be abused again in this way !
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highfidelity: (Lillylady)
Maybe from where you live - you have not noticed that the whole world has taken NOTICE - Europe - the Americas - Asia and all the others watching unbelivable happenings - more than in the US - they where busy - time was choosen on holidays and election of Obama !
You are seemingly not connected to the whole world picture at all -you spit hatered for Arab people calling all terrorists - sounds familiar to the bushies.. - what makes you stand for nothing but senseless Zionistic believe - Hey but in the same time you claim to be a pacific Humanitarian ?
Where you think is the real reason for Israel bombing and bulldozing so many homes of palestinans plentyfull also in the surroundings of Jerusalem and the Westbank, including the "New Israeli Residential Areas" land of Palestinian out-skirts right at hand to the thiefs, namely the Orchards, Olive grooves which where planted by their great grand fathers - rightly documented on deeds and recognised already by the British - Haaaaa People of No Land have documents ! Recognize them Israel if you want Peace!
Now Gaza still living in a KZ - while they blew them up totally in the last operation like cowards - Tunnels you shout Tunnels they need them to survive as the Jews in the Warsaw Getto - its sooo sad - Germany lives with a big "mea culpa maxima" and there is the whole saying of "Never again"!!!!
And ought to know dear Jewish Lady - nobody hates you -
But be sure "Never again" must not be abused again in this way !
Maybe from where you live - you have not noticed that the whole world has taken NOTICE - Europe - the Americas - Asia and all the others watching unbelivable happenings - more than in the US - they where busy - time was choosen on holidays and election of Obama !
You are seemingly not connected to the whole world picture at all -you spit hatered for Arab people calling all terrorists - sounds familiar to the bushies.. - what makes you stand for nothing but senseless Zionistic believe - Hey but in the same time you claim to be a pacific Humanitarian ?
Where you think is the real reason for Israel bombing and bulldozing so many homes of palestinans plentyfull also in the surroundings of Jerusalem and the Westbank, including the "New Israeli Residential Areas" land of Palestinian out-skirts right at hand to the thiefs, namely the Orchards, Olive grooves which where planted by their great grand fathers - rightly documented on deeds and recognised already by the British - Haaaaa People of No Land have documents ! Recognize them Israel if you want Peace!
Now Gaza still living in a KZ - while they blew them up totally in the last operation like cowards - Tunnels you shout Tunnels they need them to survive as the Jews in the Warsaw Getto - its sooo sad - Germany lives with a big "mea culpa maxima" and there is the whole saying of "Never again"!!!!
And ought to know dear Jewish Lady - nobody hates you -
But be sure "Never again" must not be abused again in this way !
Your rants are getting way out of control, you need to eat something, have a relaxing bath, before you blow your brains out, take a few days off, its ok I give permission, after all no one will miss you
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rizlared: Your rants are getting way out of control, you need to eat something, have a relaxing bath, before you blow your brains out, take a few days off, its ok I give permission, after all no one will miss you
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Drewski: Hugz
Pardon me? I debate with facts, civility and when I do attack, it is the supposed fact or opinion not the poster. Unlike yourself who not voluminous cut and pastes that I cannot back up when challenged on it, I told you that when address them all I will certainly reciprocate. After all, why should I tell somebody something personal that does not even back up their own shtick when refuted?
Hugz
Well for that matter, why should I give personal information to somebody who refuses to even address the points they asked for previously? I've had experience as a minority but as for being oppressed or experiencing genocide, .... please.
Now, still waiting for you to address your outstanding and rather old points to which you challenged me to refute before we move onto new business thanks.
Pardon me? I debate with facts, civility and when I do attack, it is the supposed fact or opinion not the poster. Unlike yourself who not voluminous cut and pastes that I cannot back up when challenged on it, I told you that when address them all I will certainly reciprocate. After all, why should I tell somebody something personal that does not even back up their own shtick when refuted?
Hugz
Well for that matter, why should I give personal information to somebody who refuses to even address the points they asked for previously? I've had experience as a minority but as for being oppressed or experiencing genocide, .... please.
Now, still waiting for you to address your outstanding and rather old points to which you challenged me to refute before we move onto new business thanks.
Right..well I'm debating just like you do...does sound very civil????
Like I said....you have no credibility...so I won't answer your tripe either....
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rizlared: Your rants are getting way out of control, you need to eat something, have a relaxing bath, before you blow your brains out, take a few days off, its ok I give permission, after all no one will miss you
You accused Hugz of getting personal just one page back - at lest she wasnt being downright nasty..........
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trish123: You accused Hugz of getting personal just one page back - at lest she wasnt being downright nasty..........
After being called names and innuendoes that I like small boys, I think I have the right to respond in any way I choose.
And it was done in a way not to cause offence, but then you Trish always side on the right so I best go and cut my wrists
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I understand that, and agree with you. Sorry, if I seemed like I was attacking you in any way. What I meant, is I wish the other intelligent people here like you, would also work harder to find a solution. But, I agree if there is something completely false, and you (or anyone) has unbiased and actual fact, that they should address it.