Law and Grace, Old Covenant and New Covenant (133)
HealthyLiving: I would like to agree with you on your comment above. There are many books in existance that were not placed into the Bible. The Bible actually states in itself, that there were so many writings that were left out of the compilation, as they would fill an entire library, or words to that effect, so please do not quote me.
I love searching out the old writings which were left out, even the gnostic writings and mystic writings which came after. All that we read will help us grow in perception to what we choose to believe.
I do not care for the institutionalized church or religion. Jesus himself was against religion. I believe in personal relationship with the Holy Spirit and encourage others to grow in this relationship. Not to do as I say or as any other person says, but to listen to the still small voice within them.
Good comment Buzzy!
I love searching out the old writings which were left out, even the gnostic writings and mystic writings which came after. All that we read will help us grow in perception to what we choose to believe.
I do not care for the institutionalized church or religion. Jesus himself was against religion. I believe in personal relationship with the Holy Spirit and encourage others to grow in this relationship. Not to do as I say or as any other person says, but to listen to the still small voice within them.
Good comment Buzzy!
Then you and I sister are on the same page. I do have a strong relationship with God. In fact it was he that told me to leave organized religion. I have been searching for others that feel as I. Organized religions are run by men and therefore are inherently corrupt. They will be destroyed. It is the person with a complete heart toward God that will be saved. That is what the calm, still voice told me. People from all religions and those not in a religion will make it. My humble apologies if I offended you. That is the way I weed out the false from tha true. The false will attack you back, the true will not. You have proven yourself true to me. Not that I'm important, but weeding is.
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littlewolf: I know this wasnt a question to me ,but Ill explain the best I can.From what I understand heaven will be here on a made over earth.But when the rapture happens,we r taken up.and then at the very end it says satan will be loosed to go out to deceive the nations, after hes been bound a 1000 yrs.And satan and his army will come up against the camp of the saints, on the breadth of the earth to destroy us.Then Jesus himself comes with the saints and defeats satan and his army.Its in Revelations.Its very hard to understand.But it sounds like the breadth of the earth would be earth.It also says the new Jeruslem will come down from heaven and sit on the old foundation,which is now called the dome of the rock in Israel.So we know that dome will be destroyed,at some point.Another thing, ur right about is, Christians talking the talk and not walking the walk.I do not believe in cursing,smoking or drinking.I am in no way perfect .The Bible says we r not perfect but we r to strive for perfection.I hoped I helped in some way.
Thankyou, just having hope is power enough. I was taught that Christ takes over rulership of the earth for 1,000 years, bringing man back to perfection. During that 1,000 years the resurection will take place. Those peole will be taught, and then face a final test. Then Satan is let loose to mislead man again, then destroyed.
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buzzy: Thankyou, just having hope is power enough. I was taught that Christ takes over rulership of the earth for 1,000 years, bringing man back to perfection. During that 1,000 years the resurection will take place. Those peole will be taught, and then face a final test. Then Satan is let loose to mislead man again, then destroyed.
Really? I havent heard that ur version but all that matter really is that we r saved.TK u Buzzy------ This thread is Archived ------
buzzy: Then you and I sister are on the same page. I do have a strong relationship with God. In fact it was he that told me to leave organized religion. I have been searching for others that feel as I. Organized religions are run by men and therefore are inherently corrupt. They will be destroyed. It is the person with a complete heart toward God that will be saved. That is what the calm, still voice told me. People from all religions and those not in a religion will make it. My humble apologies if I offended you. That is the way I weed out the false from tha true. The false will attack you back, the true will not. You have proven yourself true to me. Not that I'm important, but weeding is.
So... you are into gardening!
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What do we want to live in?
A fear based thought system?
or
A thought system based on Love?
Think about that when in "Now".
Fear includes the past and future.
That little gap in-between is 'now'.
That little gap holds our eternity.
Ego would love for us to skip over
'now'.
Ego lives in the past and
future. Ego represents fear.
The only moment we have or ever will
have is
now.
The decision is whether to choose Love or... attack-fear-ego).
A fear based thought system?
or
A thought system based on Love?
Think about that when in "Now".
Fear includes the past and future.
That little gap in-between is 'now'.
That little gap holds our eternity.
Ego would love for us to skip over
'now'.
Ego lives in the past and
future. Ego represents fear.
The only moment we have or ever will
have is
now.
The decision is whether to choose Love or... attack-fear-ego).
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HealthyLiving: So... you are into gardening!
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TroyBoy: My oh my, the edification which must occur.....go to your nearest library & pick up Dershowitz's "The Genesis Of Justice".....(Ten Stories of Biblical Injustice that led to the Ten Commandments & Modern Law).....you may learn something.....& then call me.
you have a way of undertanding troyboy, but am very interested in this book, i will check up on it...it sounds interesting...pete
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The fire was an example Christ used that was the trash dump outside the city. Use your Strong's! A fire that can not be quenched: If a building is on fire and the fire dept. can not put it out, it can't be quenched.....but it will go out on its own accord in due time. The fire in the trash dump could not be put out.....but the Valley of Hennom is not on fire today. people have walked and sat in the place this very day!
Where the worm dieth not: Flys laid eggs in the trash dump...they became worms.....the worms dieth not.....they became flies.
There is no man in the Hell of Revelation....they have not risen...had the books opened to them and choosen yet to disobey God with full Knowledge of the truth. The hell of Revelation is not yet created....therefore empty. You have much to learn dear friend! Read Revelation and if you need help. I'm around and will give you information to help.
If you do not have a Strong's....get one and look up hell....different words with different meanings were all translated into the same word Hell. You must know which is which for better understanding.
Where the worm dieth not: Flys laid eggs in the trash dump...they became worms.....the worms dieth not.....they became flies.
There is no man in the Hell of Revelation....they have not risen...had the books opened to them and choosen yet to disobey God with full Knowledge of the truth. The hell of Revelation is not yet created....therefore empty. You have much to learn dear friend! Read Revelation and if you need help. I'm around and will give you information to help.
If you do not have a Strong's....get one and look up hell....different words with different meanings were all translated into the same word Hell. You must know which is which for better understanding.
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I am sure I spelled Hennom incorrectly....but you will find it spelled correct when you look in the Strong's.
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RillyNiceGuy: I am sure I spelled Hennom incorrectly....but you will find it spelled correct when you look in the Strong's.
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Ty littlewolf,
God bless you on your journey!
God bless you on your journey!
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Ty for clarifying that. I know it's called the Second Coming, I just got confused on the terminology.
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I have a question in regards to the Old Testament law. I am speaking of the stoning etc...Who was ordering that exactly? Was it Yahweh? I often times hear Christians try to somehow dodge accountability for all of that and they refer you to the NT. 
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krimsa: I have a question in regards to the Old Testament law. I am speaking of the stoning etc...Who was ordering that exactly? Was it Yahweh? I often times hear Christians try to somehow dodge accountability for all of that and they refer you to the NT.
In the NT Jesus endorses the OT in it’s entirety mutable times so that argument falls flat on it’s face 
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crotalus_p: In the NT Jesus endorses the OT in it’s entirety mutable times so that argument falls flat on it’s face
Right. He says something to the effect that he "has come to uphold the Law." That doesn't bode well. Well I'm glad Jesus thinks we should be merciful. But the Old Testament God is a strange role model for mercy!
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krimsa: But the Old Testament God is a strange role model for mercy!
a lot of Christians will respond when faced with this by saying “Well he is god we can judge him by human standards” (which is exactly the standards they use when trying to show his goodness) Or one that I have heard a fair amount (not always phrased this way but I have heard I said his way before) is “well he is god he is allowed to be a S##t if he wants”
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crotalus_p: a lot of Christians will respond when faced with this by saying “Well he is god we can judge him by human standards” (which is exactly the standards they use when trying to show his goodness)
Or one that I have heard a fair amount (not always phrased this way but I have heard I said his way before) is “well he is god he is allowed to be a S##t if he wants”
Or one that I have heard a fair amount (not always phrased this way but I have heard I said his way before) is “well he is god he is allowed to be a S##t if he wants”
That’s ridiculous. Hopefully some Christians on this site will have something else to offer. On another website they told me that the Law was written by and for the Jews and only applied to Israel.
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krimsa: On another website they told me that the Law was written by and for the Jews and only applied to Israel.
Correct me if I am wrong but allegedly the laws where given to people who where out outside of Israel at the time (the ten commandments spring to mind) did they quote a scriptural basis ?? As only for applying to the Jews , one can argue that Christians are Jewish, given the Jesus was allegedly the Jewish messiah it stands to reason that his followers would be considered Jewish ,
some Jew’s believed Jesus was the messiah some did not ergo Christians are Jews that believed Jesus
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crotalus_p: Correct me if I am wrong but allegedly the laws where given to people who where out outside of Israel at the time (the ten commandments spring to mind) did they quote a scriptural basis ?? As only for applying to the Jews , one can argue that Christians are Jewish, given the Jesus was allegedly the Jewish messiah it stands to reason that his followers would be considered Jewish ,
some Jew’s believed Jesus was the messiah some did not ergo Christians are Jews that believed Jesus
some Jew’s believed Jesus was the messiah some did not ergo Christians are Jews that believed Jesus
Yeah I wasn’t exactly sure what he meant by that comment either. I asked him and he never responded. It didn’t really make sense to me either. The only thing I can imagine is that he was referring to the stoning Laws (see above) and saying that the Jews wrote that and it was part of the Messianic Law. That is true but didn’t Yahweh "divinely inspire" Moses?
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