venere08: I have none crushing on me, that I know of, so there
The man I described does not want to meet me. Which means I have a one-way crush only. Not worth much, is it? Now, you...this means you need to tell us of yours
Sorry to hear that it is one way V .....
I'm positive mine is two way, and that's all I'm going to say I'm afraid ....
ColonelBogey: There are some pretty decent women in cs but nothing that is not in the real world that live close to me. Why bother?
These decent women in cs are all part of the real world. Once men here realise it and believe it, things might change. It takes around 24 hrs to go across the globe. There's so much tech gadgetry available today, skype etc, heck, there is no excuse. What is the problem? People can and do relocate, go back to visit family/friends, once even maybe twice a year.
I am soon to cross the globe for the third time in just over 12mths. Maybe here in Australia, because of our isolation, we get so used to paying big dollars(not the cheap euro flights you have there!) and make our trek over to see you guys. It's a huge effort, but we wouldn't have it any other way.
venere08: These decent women in cs are all part of the real world. Once men here realise it and believe it, things might change. It takes around 24 hrs to go across the globe. There's so much tech gadgetry available today, skype etc, heck, there is no excuse. What is the problem? People can and do relocate, go back to visit family/friends, once even maybe twice a year.
I am soon to cross the globe for the third time in just over 12mths. Maybe here in Australia, because of our isolation, we get so used to paying big dollars(not the cheap euro flights you have there!) and make our trek over to see you guys. It's a huge effort, but we wouldn't have it any other way.
Hi V
I don´t agree you with you here though. Most people on the site seem to be unable to afford flights abroad unlike you, and many have young children which also makes long distance travelling impossible.
Yes, it is possible to maintain communication with someone one may be interested in via skype as you say, but that does not maintain a relatonship in the true sense of the word.
venere08: These decent women in cs are all part of the real world. Once men here realise it and believe it, things might change. It takes around 24 hrs to go across the globe. There's so much tech gadgetry available today, skype etc, heck, there is no excuse. What is the problem? People can and do relocate, go back to visit family/friends, once even maybe twice a year.
I am soon to cross the globe for the third time in just over 12mths. Maybe here in Australia, because of our isolation, we get so used to paying big dollars(not the cheap euro flights you have there!) and make our trek over to see you guys. It's a huge effort, but we wouldn't have it any other way.
All good and well if you have the money and job flexibility.
I don´t agree you with you here though. Most people on the site seem to be unable to afford flights abroad unlike you, and many have young children which also makes long distance travelling impossible.
Yes, it is possible to maintain communication with someone one may be interested in via skype as you say, but that does not maintain a relatonship in the true sense of the word.
RDM59: All good and well if you have the money and job flexibility.
Yes, of-course. Everything must suit the situation.
But in terms of money, often we need to scrape together the fare and money to live on while over there, but we do it, rather that nit here in our laurels.
venere08: Yes, of-course. Everything must suit the situation.
But in terms of money, often we need to scrape together the fare and money to live on while over there, but we do it, rather that sit here in our laurels.
venere08: Yes, of-course. Everything must suit the situation.
But in terms of money, often we need to scrape together the fare and money to live on while over there, but we do it, rather that knit here in our laurels.
Scraping up the money year after year to return home to visit family and friends can be a daunting thought.
I don´t agree you with you here though. Most people on the site seem to be unable to afford flights abroad unlike you, and many have young children which also makes long distance travelling impossible.
Yes, it is possible to maintain communication with someone one may be interested in via skype as you say, but that does not maintain a relatonship in the true sense of the word.
Hi Jan, of-course my comments relate to those people who can afford it, not for someone who may be jobless, or other major financial/other constraints. I wouldn't be speaking for the latter group, why would I?
I disagree with you about maintaining a relationship via skype etc, is not in the true sense of the word. Bunkem. I did have a relationship with a man in the States. We spoke for hours on the 'phone(we never did video), emails, IM, tons of effort to communicate. It did become clear even before meeting that we were not right for each other, but we did agree to meet as as I was on that side of the globe, because that was going to truly be the clincher, in person. It was just as confirmatory that it would never work, so no surprises.
But the point is, we put in the effort right from that start. It didn't work out, but it had absolutely nothing to do with the distance. It does take total honesty from both people, and the ability to communicate at the minutest level, for LDR's to function. And lots of trust in the other. Commitment is key, just as if the two of you are there in person.
I do appreciate we all have different experiences, becasue we all are...different.
RDM59: Scraping up the money year after year to return home to visit family and friends can be a daunting thought.
That's the problem. Maybe too much thinking. All these things are do-able, R... Stop yer bloomin doom and gloom thinking. If you want something, make it happen. Jeez, is it just us Aussies that think this way? Of-course, one needs to have the potential to generate an income, but if you can do that and stop smoking ciggy's and maybe airfares can be had!!
venere08: Hi Jan, of-course my comments relate to those people who can afford it, not for someone who may be jobless, or other major financial/other constraints. I wouldn't be speaking for the latter group, why would I?
I disagree with you about maintaining a relationship via skype etc, is not in the true sense of the word. Bunkem. I did have a relationship with a man in the States. We spoke for hours on the 'phone(we never did video), emails, IM, tons of effort to communicate. It did become clear even before meeting that we were not right for each other, but we did agree to meet as as I was on that side of the globe, because that was going to truly be the clincher, in person. It was just as confirmatory that it would never work, so no surprises.
But the point is, we put in the effort right from that start. It didn't work out, but it had absolutely nothing to do with the distance. It does take total honesty from both people, and the ability to communicate at the minutest level, for LDR's to function. And lots of trust in the other. Commitment is key, just as if the two of you are there in person.
I do appreciate we all have different experiences, becasue we all are...different.
I think these people are in the majority on this site though which is why I posted my previous comment.
As for skype, well you discovered that this man was not what you were seeking, so yes, there is that, but that doesn´t have any bearing on my observation that a real relationship cannot be had simply by communicating online. I was not referring to communication at a distance. Distance has no real meaning when skyping or phoning someone who lives on the other side of the globe, it´s the same as phoning a friend who lives down the road.
venere08: That's the problem. Maybe too much thinking. All these things are do-able, R... Stop yer bloomin doom and gloom thinking. If you want something, make it happen. Jeez, is it just us Aussies that think this way? Of-course, one needs to have the potential to generate an income, but if you can do that and stop smoking ciggy's and maybe airfares can be had!!
My youngest is 13, so I'm not going anywhere for at least 7-10 years.
But there is room at the Inn as they say .....
Too much thinking .... yes, probably ......
I do admire the Ozzie's general attitudes, very refreshing, I like ....
JAN_is: I think these people are in the majority on this site though which is why I posted my previous comment.
As for skype, well you discovered that this man was not what you were seeking, so yes, there is that, but that doesn´t have any bearing on my observation that a real relationship cannot be had simply by communicating online. I was not referring to communication at a distance. Distance has no real meaning when skyping or phoning someone who lives on the other side of the globe, it´s the same as phoning a friend who lives down the road.
It's another kind of relationship, but one nonetheless. The online factor only came into the discussion in response to Colonelbogey's post(I bet I've misspelled his profile name!!)about decent CS ladies existing but not close by to him.
RDM59: My youngest is 13, so I'm not going anywhere for at least 7-10 years.
But there is room at the Inn as they say .....
Too much thinking .... yes, probably ......
I do admire the Ozzie's general attitudes, very refreshing, I like ....
Ah, yes, Merriweather and I will teach you a thing or two
You know, R, I took my son to Italy for 3 mths in '96, for his great grandmother's 100th birthday. It changed him forever. A totally different lad came home. A fabulous experience for him. So, ever thought of giving your 13yr old son the best experience of his life?? Then maybe think of taking him for a trip to Oz. Seriously. Take him to the Red Centre, the tropics, the beaches...
venere08: It's another kind of relationship, but one nonetheless. The online factor only came into the discussion in response to Colonelbogey's post(I bet I've misspelled his profile name!!)about decent CS ladies existing but not close by to him.
Perhaps I misinterpreted his post, but I don´t think he was saying that all. I think he was saying that there are women in his area just as nice as some of the CS women so why get caught up in an online relationship which will more than likely end up in a total waste of time and effort.
I disagree with you about maintaining a relationship via skype etc, is not in the true sense of the word. Bunkem. I did have a relationship with a man in the States. We spoke for hours on the 'phone(we never did video), emails, IM, tons of effort to communicate. It did become clear even before meeting that we were not right for each other, but we did agree to meet as as I was on that side of the globe, because that was going to truly be the clincher, in person. It was just as confirmatory that it would never work, so no surprises.
But why invest so much effort into something online? I do not see how it can be called a relationship in the true sense. I see it as a distraction!
In response to: But the point is, we put in the effort right from that start. It didn't work out, but it had absolutely nothing to do with the distance. It does take total honesty from both people, and the ability to communicate at the minutest level, for LDR's to function. And lots of trust in the other. Commitment is key, just as if the two of you are there in person.
I do appreciate we all have different experiences, because we all are...different.
I have done the long distance relationship thing before. To my mind it is based on investing effort on an ideal that is not thought through properly because reality is ignored in many cases. For me long distance should be for fun only when both are singing from the same hymn sheet.
ColonelBogey: But why invest so much effort into something online? I do not see how it can be called a relationship in the true sense. I see it as a distraction!I have done the long distance relationship thing before. To my mind it is based on investing effort on an ideal that is not thought through properly because reality is ignored in many cases. For me long distance should be for fun only when both are singing from the same hymn sheet.
See my post above. I was almost right then in interpreting your post V referred to?
venere08: Ah, yes, Merriweather and I will teach you a thing or two
You know, R, I took my son to Italy for 3 mths in '96, for his great grandmother's 100th birthday. It changed him forever. A totally different lad came home. A fabulous experience for him. So, ever thought of giving your 13yr old son the best experience of his life?? Then maybe think of taking him for a trip to Oz. Seriously. Take him to the Red Centre, the tropics, the beaches...
I've got another 2 kids, they would want to come too or else demand financial compensation .....
ColonelBogey: But why invest so much effort into something online? I do not see how it can be called a relationship in the true sense. I see it as a distraction!I have done the long distance relationship thing before. To my mind it is based on investing effort on an ideal that is not thought through properly because reality is ignored in many cases. For me long distance should be for fun only when both are singing from the same hymn sheet.
Well, as I said to Jan, everyone has their own experiences to draw from. I found it very different for me, in that the man in the States with whom I had an 'exclusive' relationship, was anything but a distraction, neither for him or myself. We were every bit serious. At no time did we have the sense of ignoring the reality of who that person was. As I mentioned, becasue of our honesty in the way we related, we were able to establish that we were not right for each other, later confirmed at meeting and spending time together in 'real life'. No surprises, other than for me, the qualities I knew to be not the right fit for me, were highlighted even more in person. Still, no surprises whatsoever.
As I said, that is not to say everyone else is.
For me, fun and a budding relationship online, is not mutually exclusive. It beats not finding someone close by!!! And by the way, I do know what you mean. I haven't found anyone close by here. That's not to say I haven't dated, because I have. Just not the right one for me.
You saying what you did about online only being for fun(for you) does strike a chilling chord for me, in terms of what is possibly the case with my 'online crush'. Perhaps he never for a moment intended any seriousness, and that I have been just a distraction
RDM59: All good and well if you have the money and job flexibility.
I'm on a fixed income with unemployment just about to run out. I wouldn't think to take money out of a savings account to cross the globe to meet someone that I might never see again.
montecito: I'm on a fixed income with unemployment just about to run out. I wouldn't think to take money out of a savings account to cross the globe to meet someone that I might never see again.
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