This fella Jesus (40)
Phoenix: So what do you reckon. I think he was a bit of both.
He was definately historical because his death was recorded by the Romans, we have the proof he existed.
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Phoenix: So what do you reckon. I think he was a bit of both.
You probably should have put an option for both then.
He definitely existed.
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good thread 
ya that guys for real alright,i'd bet me life on it 
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god is real,his real name is pat gilroy
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i believe tactius makes reference to jesus too
as well as joesphus (the jewish war is a good read)
as well as joesphus (the jewish war is a good read)
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I definitely think the 'Jesus' we know is based on a historical person, but I also think the first christians wouldn't recognize their religion if they saw it today. Many aspects of christianity has been added or developed a long time after the death of this historical person.
(I'd really like to know how they'd react if they knew people would still be waiting for Christ's return two thousand years later..)
(I'd really like to know how they'd react if they knew people would still be waiting for Christ's return two thousand years later..)
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stanley8m: He was definately historical because his death was recorded by the Romans, we have the proof he existed.
There is very little credible evidence that Jesus, as we think about him today, existed. Face, metioned Josephus. All I'll say about him is tell a lie long enough and it eventually becomes the truth. The fella (Josephus) wasn't even alivee at the susposed time of Jesus.
"He was Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross," Joes words not mine. Load of balls. Pilate did nothing of the sort. I'll clear that later.
The romans among other things did keep excellent records about what was going on in their time. And one of the records from the first council of Nicea where Jesus was voted to be the son of god. Up until then he wasn't recognised as such.
(Personally at 8am I need lots of coffee to wake me up, give me an hour and I'll try to put it more cleary. I'm not trying to run anyones belief down. And I'll respect anyone right to believe what they want. I just don't but into it)
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Phoenix: So what do you reckon. I think he was a bit of both.
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e Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The three persons are distinct yet coexist in unity, and are co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial (Greek: ?µ???s???). Put another way, the three persons of the Trinity are of one being (Greek: ??s?a). The Trinity is considered to be a mystery of Christian faith
Jesus is God
Jesus is God
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the Trinity. God knows your thoughs before you think them
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gleneagle: I think he was real, was not God but was convinced he was, which was believed by his cult followers.
Kinda with you Glen, there probably was some fella with a beard 2,000 yrs ago who had some sort of cult following. And like you said he was no god (or son off)
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pedro27: e Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The three persons are distinct yet coexist in unity, and are co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial (Greek: ?µ???s???). Put another way, the three persons of the Trinity are of one being (Greek: ??s?a). The Trinity is considered to be a mystery of Christian faithJesus is God
Pedro, I'm not slating your belief. And I'll defend your right to believe in any religion you care to.
But if the bible is the word of god (as well as a historical document that has been carefully edited to only 72 books). And as you claim the fella Jesus is the son of god. Which god are you talking about. As I've already clearly shown, the bible makes references to GODS not GOD.
Means there is more than one. Jesus was a Jew not a christian (in his professional career he was a Rabbi).
So who was he Pedro. And don't expect me to buy the 'son of god' story. Doesn't wash not only with me, but several posters and a lot of viewers.
So this fella Jesus pedro. You're an intelligent man. Don't tell me you still believe in fairytales?
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Phoenix: Pedro, I'm not slating your belief. And I'll defend your right to believe in any religion you care to.
But if the bible is the word of god (as well as a historical document that has been carefully edited to only 72 books). And as you claim the fella Jesus is the son of god. Which god are you talking about. As I've already clearly shown, the bible makes references to GODS not GOD.
Means there is more than one. Jesus was a Jew not a christian (in his professional career he was a Rabbi).
So who was he Pedro. And don't expect me to buy the 'son of god' story. Doesn't wash not only with me, but several posters and a lot of viewers.
So this fella Jesus pedro. You're an intelligent man. Don't tell me you still believe in fairytales?
But if the bible is the word of god (as well as a historical document that has been carefully edited to only 72 books). And as you claim the fella Jesus is the son of god. Which god are you talking about. As I've already clearly shown, the bible makes references to GODS not GOD.
Means there is more than one. Jesus was a Jew not a christian (in his professional career he was a Rabbi).
So who was he Pedro. And don't expect me to buy the 'son of god' story. Doesn't wash not only with me, but several posters and a lot of viewers.
So this fella Jesus pedro. You're an intelligent man. Don't tell me you still believe in fairytales?
"the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God''
ok that is my faith
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Phoenix: Pedro, I'm not slating your belief. And I'll defend your right to believe in any religion you care to.
But if the bible is the word of god (as well as a historical document that has been carefully edited to only 72 books). And as you claim the fella Jesus is the son of god. Which god are you talking about. As I've already clearly shown, the bible makes references to GODS not GOD.
Means there is more than one. Jesus was a Jew not a christian (in his professional career he was a Rabbi).
So who was he Pedro. And don't expect me to buy the 'son of god' story. Doesn't wash not only with me, but several posters and a lot of viewers.
So this fella Jesus pedro. You're an intelligent man. Don't tell me you still believe in fairytales?
But if the bible is the word of god (as well as a historical document that has been carefully edited to only 72 books). And as you claim the fella Jesus is the son of god. Which god are you talking about. As I've already clearly shown, the bible makes references to GODS not GOD.
Means there is more than one. Jesus was a Jew not a christian (in his professional career he was a Rabbi).
So who was he Pedro. And don't expect me to buy the 'son of god' story. Doesn't wash not only with me, but several posters and a lot of viewers.
So this fella Jesus pedro. You're an intelligent man. Don't tell me you still believe in fairytales?
Phoenix, Jesus is God
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MADDOG69: You probably should have put an option for both then.
I should have. Complete oversite and I was whacked and pushed 'create thread' before proof reading it.
MADDOG69: He definitely existed.
I'm not doubitng he existed. What I'm trying to say is who people think he is, isn't who he actually was. Once you start looking at historical records and not hearsay, there is very little proof of his existence. There are a few records (not christain texts) that back up that there was a fella yrs ago. But not the version that the masses believe in today. I'll dig the links out later.
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Phoenix: I should have. Complete oversite and I was whacked and pushed 'create thread' before proof reading it.
I'm not doubitng he existed. What I'm trying to say is who people think he is, isn't who he actually was. Once you start looking at historical records and not hearsay, there is very little proof of his existence. There are a few records (not christain texts) that back up that there was a fella yrs ago. But not the version that the masses believe in today. I'll dig the links out later.
I'm not doubitng he existed. What I'm trying to say is who people think he is, isn't who he actually was. Once you start looking at historical records and not hearsay, there is very little proof of his existence. There are a few records (not christain texts) that back up that there was a fella yrs ago. But not the version that the masses believe in today. I'll dig the links out later.
why do you not believe God as Christ excisted?
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pedro27: why do you not believe God as Christ excisted?
In a nutshell (I'll explain later in a bit more detail). If I'm to believe the bible and everything it says, then why are there far to many references to GODS. Not just GOD. As I said earlier, this fella Jesus was only bestowed the titled 'son of god' after the first council of Nicea because a roman emperor, a few roman generals and a handfull of bishops lobbied for it. I'm not knocking your faith Pedro or poking fun at it (I wont let anyone on this thread try to either). I'm just giving you fact not conjecture.
I'll ask you the same question I posed to you earlier.
Which God fathered Jesus?
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Phoenix: Kinda with you Glen, there probably was some fella with a beard 2,000 yrs ago who had some sort of cult following. And like you said he was no god (or son off)
A bit like yourself in other words, Phoenix!
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snowlynx: A bit like yourself in other words, Phoenix!
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Phoenix: So what do you reckon. I think he was a bit of both.
I believe he is real, I'm a mass goer...always was
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Did Jesus, Christ exist?
Yes I believe he did.
Is he the son of God?
As stated earlier, the council of Nicea decided he was and that the holy trinity were one and equal, in my opinion this was to give Rome control over the rapidly expanding Christian faith , too many breakaway churches meant less money in the coffers of Rome.
Personally I am not sure if he was the son of God, however I believe Christ was teaching Gods message on how to live your life and it could be argued that he was inspired by God.
I have my own faith which is not controlled by the doctrine of any Church. Live your life in a good and respectful manner, treat others how you would like to be treated yourself and you will be rewarded. The main reward of living your life this way is respect from your friends and community. I also believe there is an afterlife and by living my life in the way I am, I am guaranteed entrance. Oh and I don't do the turning the other cheek thing, that's just silly..
Yes I believe he did.
Is he the son of God?
As stated earlier, the council of Nicea decided he was and that the holy trinity were one and equal, in my opinion this was to give Rome control over the rapidly expanding Christian faith , too many breakaway churches meant less money in the coffers of Rome.
Personally I am not sure if he was the son of God, however I believe Christ was teaching Gods message on how to live your life and it could be argued that he was inspired by God.
I have my own faith which is not controlled by the doctrine of any Church. Live your life in a good and respectful manner, treat others how you would like to be treated yourself and you will be rewarded. The main reward of living your life this way is respect from your friends and community. I also believe there is an afterlife and by living my life in the way I am, I am guaranteed entrance. Oh and I don't do the turning the other cheek thing, that's just silly..
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irisheyes1978: I believe he is real, I'm a mass goer...always was
I'm not knocking your faith Irish (pedros or anyone elses for that matter).
But again, if I am to believe the bible which god fathered Jesus? Soon I'll start to explain the very origins of christianity.
But first, I'd like an answer. Which God? I've shown a few examples where there is clear reference to several Gods. And not one person has even tried to explain who his father was...
I will show evidence to support my claim (and the point nexcare made é glen and a few others) that there some fella 2000 odd yrs ago with a cult following. But to claim he is/was the son of God. I can't buy that. Unless someone can show me evidence.
Again, what Josephus wrote about, I will show to be totally fabricated.
Same Q to you. Which God fathered jesus (use some of the references on Pg 1 as a starting point).
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I'm not sure what you're thinking of - which god fathered Jesus? Osiris? Bible references to gods are traditionally interpreted as the gods of surrounding Middle East tribes, the jewish god described as 'god of gods' to show his (and his worshippers') superiority...Do you mean what came to be jewish monotheism started as polytheism? (I don't remember the reference, but I read something rather convincing about archaeology suggesting a once Mrs Yahweh...)
Uhm yeah.
Uhm yeah.
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Nexcare: I'm not sure what you're thinking of - which god fathered Jesus? Osiris? Bible references to gods are traditionally interpreted as the gods of surrounding Middle East tribes, the jewish god described as 'god of gods' to show his (and his worshippers') superiority...Do you mean what came to be jewish monotheism started as polytheism? (I don't remember the reference, but I read something rather convincing about archaeology suggesting a once Mrs Yahweh...)
Uhm yeah.
Uhm yeah.
You can't let the cat out of the bag yet. I haven't even touched on Mithra yet. And you Nex are talking about Osiris and Mrs Yahweh.
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Nexcare: Miaow........?
You've never heard of mithra?
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Nexcare: Yes, but the bell's ringing so far back in my head. Mostly dissecting gods of more local origin nowadays..
Like here you mean....fast foward to 11mins 16 seconds.
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Nexcare: Do you mean what came to be jewish monotheism started as polytheism? (I don't remember the reference
Mrs Yahweh is covered in that video clip I put on the previous page.
Monotheism started with Abraham and is the common point where Judaism, Islam and Christianity meet. The 'One God' those religions speak of is the same God theologically no matter what name it is called in their language.
Polytheism persisted and rears it's head right up until modern times. Mohammed had to throw the many god idols out of Mecca but Sufi Muslims still have more than One God. Some Jewish sects still use the Kabbala which is polytheistic. Even some Christian denominations have the Goddess alongside the One God and even the abomination of a Sun God set as his equal or 'Son'.
If you want to worship God, then worship God. You don't need to talk to his sister, mother in law, second cousin or butler. The God who has no equal and in not divisible, the God of Abraham, could have none of those parts.
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