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May 20, 2013 3:01 PM CSTIt's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts

It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?(Vote Below)

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Yes
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No
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20%
Have canned goods from before
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4%
What are you talking about?!
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Total Votes
69
Japan Times: Discharges of Fukushima nuclear material into Pacific “have effectively contaminated the sea” professor moping frustrated



Be sure to read the comments, always curious and often informative. sad flower
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May 20, 2013 3:25 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
May 20, 2013 3:30 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
galrads: To be release soon, coming to a theatre near you: Godzilla-2013.


lol, maybe more Frankenzilla...
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May 20, 2013 3:34 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
ynotleon69
ynotleon69ynotleon69Tuscaloosa, Alabama USA73 Threads 21 Polls 798 Posts
i grew up on a beach town in california....confused i always wonderd wut wuz wrongz wit meh.laugh
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May 20, 2013 3:38 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
BTW,yeah,I still eat Seafood!
So far I haven't noticed any greenish Glow about it!devil
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May 20, 2013 3:44 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
PJ1961: lol, maybe more Frankenzilla...
that nails it.

Classic Godzilla was a radioactive monster created in post-war Japan for assist those opposed to even having nuclear power plants used in Japan, let alone bombs. If she awakens again she most likely will be Frankenzilla!

Hahaha.... I just googled Godzilla and learns a new release is for May 14, 2014 and she will be even more radioactive!

I've missed her so much!

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May 20, 2013 3:45 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
Conrad73: BTW,yeah,I still eat Seafood!
So far I haven't noticed any greenish Glow about it!


low dose radiation takes time to destroy your organs, give it a moment
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May 20, 2013 3:49 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
Conrad73: yes,it definitely matter who the Anxietymakers are,and what their Agenda to do so is!


Conrad, are you one of those who thinks if you smile in the face of radiation, that you won't have any health issues? A hormesis guy?

I know a whole bunch of Japanese who'd like to talk to you...

I prefer, by the way, informed awareness - if I had children, for example, living in California - I would want to know that there are lethal risks that did not exist before and that, for example, swimming in the ocean, consuming calif. dairy, playing in the rain, etc. may not be such a good idea anymore.

I know of a bunch of folks who took the information - and changed their lives - to be safer.
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May 20, 2013 3:53 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
GUZMAN1: Race horses? Why? did someone fed them with radioactive sushi?


Fallout in the air... hot particles were detected in California, Washington, Canada, fallout across the USA... big lungs, breathing in outdoor air during high fallout... it only takes one particle.

One racetrack, said, whoa, what's up with all these extra deaths, we were getting a good handle on these incidents....

Same with heart attacks of people - CDC reported significant declines, yet, after 311, the stats rose...
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May 20, 2013 3:54 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
so, got a Q for you, enviro fed guy... if you know... will the EPA RadNet ever be fully functional?

galrads: that nails it.

Classic Godzilla was a radioactive monster created in post-war Japan for assist those opposed to even having nuclear power plants used in Japan, let alone bombs. If she awakens again she most likely will be Frankenzilla!

Hahaha.... I just googled Godzilla and learns a new release is for May 14, 2014 and she will be even more radioactive!

I've missed her so much!
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May 20, 2013 3:55 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
PJ1961: Fallout in the air... hot particles were detected in California, Washington, Canada, fallout across the USA... big lungs, breathing in outdoor air during high fallout... it only takes one particle.

One racetrack, said, whoa, what's up with all these extra deaths, we were getting a good handle on these incidents....

Same with heart attacks of people - CDC reported significant declines, yet, after 311, the stats rose...


Radioactivity worries me, but there are a lot of alarmist between the environmentalists.
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May 20, 2013 3:59 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
GUZMAN1: Radioactivity worries me, but there are a lot of alarmist between the environmentalists.


And, it is up to individuals to decide how they want to deal with the issue. I get a little bent when some say a little radiation is good for you. Their data (if they even have any) gets blown out of the lab when faced with the real data (Chernobyl, Bikini Atoll, and now Hawaii and Japan).
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May 20, 2013 4:01 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
PJ1961: low dose radiation takes time to destroy your organs, give it a moment
actually I am quite familiar with Radioactive Substances!
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May 20, 2013 4:09 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
familiar with: Meta-Review of 46 Studies: Even the Lowest-Level Radiation Is Damaging to Human Health
Conrad73: actually I am quite familiar with Radioactive Substances!
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May 20, 2013 4:12 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
well, we stand at odds and I respectfully disagree about the importance of the messenger. It's the effect of three melt-throughs that matters.

Conrad73: anytime I see someone causing this kind of Anxiety about all sorts of Stuff,and not only about those Reactors,but about all the other Conspiracy Stuff on the site,my Spidersenses start to tingle!
Nothing curious about trying to find out who is behind it!
My guess is,once more we see the grubby fingers of a George Soros behind it!
Just something he'd love to get into!
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May 20, 2013 4:20 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
PJ1961: so, got a Q for you, enviro fed guy... if you know... will the EPA RadNet ever be fully functional?


That is a very good question. It should have been completed by now if other new air quality initiatives had not interrupted regular automated air quality monitoring work covering the criteria pollutants in the continental U.S.A.

Following 911, USEPA was order by homeland security to sample for unmentionable toxic airborne fugitive particale pollutants in areas where no one ever determined what the natural background levels are for them. Then, for the first time, u.s.epa was ordered to monitor (or contract with state and local air monitoring agencies) for gases that represent no harm to health at ground level, but indirectly cause health problems later but in the upper atmosphere: greenhouse gases.

Specific and inexpensive automated radiation monitoring techniques haven't existed for most radionuclides on a near real-time basis, excepting radon instrumentation. The telemetry for radionuclides is already in place. Air quality monitoring operations and the quality assurance of it have been very expensive. Radiation monitoring on a national level will not be any different.

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May 20, 2013 4:27 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
thanks for the background reply - didn't expect so much information. handshake
One more Q, then I have to nap to encourage my cold go away peacefully... since 311 the number of citizens with geiger counters doing regular testing has increased dramatically. Do you think the EPA would, or could, under the same scientific guides used by Safeacast.org, allow citizens to upload their data? EnviroReporter in So Cal is a good example as is PissinOnTheRoses in St Louis of this type of "scientific" monitoring. wave

galrads: That is a very good question. It should have been completed by now if other new air quality initiatives had not interrupted regular automated air quality monitoring work covering the criteria pollutants in the continental U.S.A.

Following 911, USEPA was order by homeland security to sample for unmentionable toxic airborne fugitive particale pollutants in areas where no one ever determined what the natural background levels are for them. Then, for the first time, u.s.epa was ordered to monitor (or contract with state and local air monitoring agencies) for gases that represent no harm to health at ground level, but indirectly cause health problems later but in the upper atmosphere: greenhouse gases.

Specific and inexpensive automated radiation monitoring techniques haven't existed for most radionuclides on a near real-time basis, excepting radon instrumentation. The telemetry for radionuclides is already in place. Air quality monitoring operations and the quality assurance of it have been very expensive. Radiation monitoring on a national level will not be any different.
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May 20, 2013 4:54 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
PJ1961: thanks for the background reply - didn't expect so much information.
One more Q, then I have to nap to encourage my cold go away peacefully... since 311 the number of citizens with geiger counters doing regular testing has increased dramatically. Do you think the EPA would, or could, under the same scientific guides used by Safeacast.org, allow citizens to upload their data? EnviroReporter in So Cal is a good example as is PissinOnTheRoses in St Louis of this type of "scientific" monitoring.


I'd like to know the answer to this question, too. I imagine, though, that U.S. EPA will require its own guidelines for any ambient air monitoring data to be reported to the national air data base and considered useful.

From the very origins of ambient air quality monitoring in the USA, all ambient air quality monitoring instrumentation had to be tested and approved by U.S. EPA, at their labs in Research Triangle Park, Raleigh N.C. and given a designated reference or equivalency number before any data would be acceptable for entry into the national air data base.

Having these approval numbers alone, still doesn't guarantee that the air quality data from these instruments will be automatically considered good, valid and usedul. The air quality data owners need to first demonstrate to U.S. EPA that the instrumentation was also sited, calibrated, operated and quality assured properly for thermos which data are reported.

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May 20, 2013 6:36 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
I fear you are correct about the usefulness of the readings. Have been watching the graphs off and on for two years and the only thing really discernible about the data was, yes, it's still negligible there, or it's spiking there, or, wow what a trend that city has... it'd be great to see a citizen group get together and with various types of instruments, including food lab machines, produce more informative test results. Like how much corium, strontium, plutonium, cesium, etc...

galrads: I'd like to know the answer to this question, too. I imagine, though, that U.S. EPA will require its own guidelines for any ambient air monitoring data to be reported to the national air data base and considered useful.

From the very origins of ambient air quality monitoring in the USA, all ambient air quality monitoring instrumentation had to be tested and approved by U.S. EPA, at their labs in Research Triangle Park, Raleigh N.C. and given a designated reference or equivalency number before any data would be acceptable for entry into the national air data base.

Having these approval numbers alone, still doesn't guarantee that the air quality data from these instruments will be automatically considered good, valid and usedul. The air quality data owners need to first demonstrate to U.S. EPA that the instrumentation was also sited, calibrated, operated and quality assured properly for thermos which data are reported.
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May 20, 2013 7:28 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
PJ1961: I fear you are correct about the usefulness of the readings. Have been watching the graphs off and on for two years and the only thing really discernible about the data was, yes, it's still negligible there, or it's spiking there, or, wow what a trend that city has... it'd be great to see a citizen group get together and with various types of instruments, including food lab machines, produce more informative test results. Like how much corium, strontium, plutonium, cesium, etc...


I have worked on more than a few public awareness programs providing air quality data to the public in useful ways by various media. Sometimes I wish it were smart to disclose our names on CS. Googling my name and EPA would return some interesting results (imo). It is good to see your interest in similar ambient air quality information.

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May 20, 2013 7:36 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
this is why I asked you, specifically.. all your time there I figured you'd have some good insights. Thanks for your cooperative knowledge sharing. peace

galrads: I have worked on more than a few public awareness programs providing air quality data to the public in useful ways by various media. Sometimes I wish it were smart to disclose our names on CS. Googling my name and EPA would return some interesting results (imo). It is good to see your interest in similar ambient air quality information.
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May 20, 2013 7:44 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
PJ1961: It doesn't matter who runs ENENews. It could be a solar or wind energy company, but, in this case, the messenger is not at all important, the news that is posted and the comments are all that matters.


"The news" is not necessarily "The truth".
So it kinda does matter who's doing the talking.
Especially when the source is hiding in the shadows.
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May 20, 2013 7:48 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
RayfromUSA: "The news" is not necessarily "The truth".
So it kinda does matter who's doing the talking.
Especially when the source is hiding in the shadows.


I would agree with you, but, ENENews is not the source - they are posting articles from a wide variety of sources - scientific, political, IAEA, NRC, health magazines, NOAA... its' a wide array of sources.
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May 20, 2013 8:00 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
sophiasummer
sophiasummersophiasummerNorthland, New Zealand112 Threads 6,528 Posts
I fish and dive for seafood, that has been a major part of my life.
All close to home.
No I do not open a Tin.

Sophia
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May 20, 2013 8:02 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
sophiasummer: I fish and dive for seafood, that has been a major part of my life.
All close to home.
No I do not open a Tin.

Sophia


There's some Kiwis and Aussies taking rad readings and Dr Caldicott is from Australia... you might look to see how the fallout is down under.
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May 20, 2013 8:04 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
RayfromUSA: "The news" is not necessarily "The truth".
So it kinda does matter who's doing the talking.
Especially when the source is hiding in the shadows.


If you can't trust the information or the source of information to any degree to be valid and you do or don't trust the messenger, then you are wasting your time. The whole show lacks integrity.
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May 20, 2013 8:06 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
sophiasummer: I fish and dive for seafood, that has been a major part of my life.
All close to home.
No I do not open a Tin.

Sophia
oh, that sounds like healthy and too much fun! wave
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May 20, 2013 8:07 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
sophiasummer
sophiasummersophiasummerNorthland, New Zealand112 Threads 6,528 Posts
I read your intense.
As I with the Sea Shepard.
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May 20, 2013 8:09 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
galrads: If you can't trust the information or the source of information to any degree to be valid and you do or don't trust the messenger, then you are wasting your time. The whole show lacks integrity.


More like, the whole TEPCO, IAEA, WHO, NRC circus is without shame... not sure why some of you miss the point that the news at ENENews is from multiple sources, nothing like an Alex Jones conspiracy sham.

Really too bad anyone would chance to dis the various sources.. how about, next time you want to do that you point out some exact articles and make light of why you feel that way. Might be a good exercise. We might learn something about POVs.
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May 20, 2013 8:09 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
sophiasummer: I read your intense.
As I with the Sea Shepard.


Thank You for your and the team's good work! handshake
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May 20, 2013 8:15 PM CST It's Official, the Pacific is "Lost" - Do you still eat ocean products?
sophiasummer
sophiasummersophiasummerNorthland, New Zealand112 Threads 6,528 Posts
galrads: oh, that sounds like healthy and too much fun!


Good healthy fun my friend.
I dove down at Tiri tiri Island and brought up some huge yummy mussells!
Chucked in the lime and vinegar.
Washed down of course with a nice Wheat beer.



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