Well, let's look at what the bible says. I'm quoting the words of Jesus himself here:
Mark 12:17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.
And confirmed again
Luke 20:25 And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.
Never never never should religion have any influence over law. But, it does.
needs fixing.
Religious law is fine just so long as it reflects the will of the people and to say otherwise is as absolutist as any religious fanatic.
Undemocratic law is the enemy, whether this is Sharia law pressed onto Atheistic societies or EU law pushed onto us by the Stalinist and unelected commission, this makes no difference. These laws are the same enemy.
How can you be sure it is "the will of the people" when fear, intimidation, and overt force are known to be used in controlling the will of the people?
It would be good to hear from those who live with Sharia or other religious laws.
Obstinance_Works: Religious law is fine just so long as it reflects the will of the people and to say otherwise is as absolutist as any religious fanatic.
Undemocratic law is the enemy, whether this is Sharia law pressed onto Atheistic societies or EU law pushed onto us by the Stalinist and unelected commission, this makes no difference. These laws are the same enemy.
also, many religiously driven laws are created by men .. something to consider
PJ1961: How can you be sure it is "the will of the people" when fear, intimidation, and overt force are known to be used in controlling the will of the people?
It would be good to hear from those who live with Sharia or other religious laws.
Obstinance_Works: Religious law is fine just so long as it reflects the will of the people and to say otherwise is as absolutist as any religious fanatic.
Undemocratic law is the enemy, whether this is Sharia law pressed onto Atheistic societies or EU law pushed onto us by the Stalinist and unelected commission, this makes no difference. These laws are the same enemy.
That statement would only be true if 100% of the people agreed and that NEVER happens. I don't religious BS to enter laws. (which it does) If the majority were to overrule the minority, Democracy is just as bad as dictatorship. There are certain inalienable rights that should not be infringed upon. What if you were a Christian or whatever religion you are apart of and you lived in a country dominated by another religion? (in particular one you despise) Would you want them making religious laws that are in direct conflict with your rights and belief system???
PJ1961: How can you be sure it is "the will of the people" when fear, intimidation, and overt force are known to be used in controlling the will of the people?
It would be good to hear from those who live with Sharia or other religious laws.
And how can you say that atheist society can not brainwash, intimidate, spread fear, incentivise the lie and disincentivise the truth?
You can't.
You have to take it face value or you venture down the route of minority rule, dictatorship and dystopia.
And think of where you are, CS isn't global or culturally international in any real sense as it's stereotypically Western, and so if you do get a few on here that live under sharia laws then they will be the ones that naturally feel alien to their surroundings... they will NOT be a typical representation of the country/culture which they come from.
Secularism does not promote atheism or religious beliefs, it respects all rights to all. I may be an atheist but I would never take someone's right to believe. I would actually fight for someone's right to have religion even though religion disgusts me. However, I do have a problem when religion is used to harm others in any manner and that includes infringing on the rights of others.
PJ1961: agreed, and yet... he may have some ideas based on his experience with others there...
You are, of course, correct ladies. I'm most certainly not local. I am broadly Western in origin and hopefully my English language ability is, if nothing else, something of a giveaway.
Religiously, I waver between Athesism and Pantheism though to descibe myself as mercurial on this point is something of an understatement. I have ongoing deep debates with my boss and my technical manager (both are Muslim, though neither local) regarding the validity of Islam and religion in general.
It gets more complex. My boss's daughter is also staunchly Muslim and despite being London born and an honours student appears to be not bright enough not to actively descriminate against me based on my beliefs (or lack thereof). I know she likes me (she writes my love notes and tells me I'm hot!) yet at the same time convinces herself she needs to find a Muslim boy. Her father says that I need to convince the family that I'm a good Christian as Muslims are allowed to marry Christians because they are 'Of the book' and he wants to lend me an English version of the Quran. I'd like to read it out of a interest in theology but suspect I'm likely to become more atheistic rather than less after devouring the propogander.
The big problem is....she is super smart and super hot. A lethal combination, I think you'll agree. Shame she feels she needs a 1500 year old text to tell her how to live and worse, expects me to also.
Did I mention how much I love bacon?
With respect to the locals, I can tell you that Sharia law here is the law. There is nothing else and the locals would have it no other way. To them, the religion and the law are the same thing and being staunch followers of their faith they have a high rate of adherence and hence, a low crime rate.
Of course, this is not a democracy. It is a constitutional monarchy ruled absolutely by a herditary monarch (Emir) as an emirate. There seems to be little apetite for democracy here. While the native population have considerable income derived from the vast wealth that the oil and gas industry generates there will be few drivers for change. The locals don't need to work and the imported labour (whose number I count among) are subject to varying levels of discrimination and subjugation.
The oldest known code of laws is recorded in the bible. Most of modern law is based on the last six commandments dealing with man's behaviour towards each other.
The oldest known code of laws is recorded in the bible. Most of modern law is based on the last six commandments dealing with man's behaviour towards each other.
That would depend on how old you consider the commandments to be. The bible itself does not place them very many generations old and there are plenty of other social codes of conduct which were in force at the same time or earlier than this theoretically.
Social legislation was introduced by the anchient Egyptians, the Sumarians, the Babylonians, the Athenians, the Chinese, the Indians, the Romans...the list goes on.
Thanks for both of your posts above - it helps me to understand better the "shape" of religious law where you are. Skittles? Really?! Guess they just might be everywhere...
Rubicon76: That would depend on how old you consider the commandments to be. The bible itself does not place them very many generations old and there are plenty of other social codes of conduct which were in force at the same time or earlier than this theoretically.
Social legislation was introduced by the anchient Egyptians, the Sumarians, the Babylonians, the Athenians, the Chinese, the Indians, the Romans...the list goes on.
The oldest known code of laws is recorded in the bible. Most of modern law is based on the last six commandments dealing with man's behaviour towards each other.
Ten Commandments hark back to the Code of Hammurabi!
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