Does welfare promote laziness? (209)
But the students are not allowed to file for bankrupcy. I agree with the rest of what you are saying; people do mislead themselves.
PrettyPrescious: You said no one today took anything away from anyone. Okay, it was some of our ancestors who did it...taking away the land, language, religion and way of life of the Native Americans. The US gov't is still supposed to honor the treaties, even though it happened in the past. But that is another issue entirely, I'll admit it...
Yaw, we agree on several things now and yes this is topic for another thread. I will share though, none of my ancestors had anything to do with anything here in the continental USA before around 1898 when my four grandparents started immigrating here from Italy.
galrads: am I sure about what?
No one living today took parts of the USA from anyone, so we don't owe them anything for what happened years ago.
No one living today took parts of the USA from anyone, so we don't owe them anything for what happened years ago.
And they won't owe our grandchildren for what they take back.
RayfromUSA: And they won't owe our grandchildren for what they take back.
I personally don't care what you think is right or wrong, or whether you believe Americans put men on the moon, or when you think the earth will stop spinning.
As far as I'm concerned they can have anything back as long as it doesn't cost me money and you move there.
galrads: As far as I'm concerned they can have anything back as long as it doesn't cost me money and you move there.
I want your house.
RayfromUSA: I want your house.
You can't afford my little shack.
galrads: You can't afford my little shack.
My viking ancestors had a shack there back in the 1100s.
It's mine by manifest destiny.
And you owe me rent.
RayfromUSA: That's OK, you can forget the back rent.
Just leave the key in the mailbox as you move out.
Just leave the key in the mailbox as you move out.
I tell you what. Go spend some time in Chernobyl and have a few beers standing on the widest crack in the concrete for a couple of weeks alone. Then let me know what you think.
PrettyPrescious: Hmmm, are you sure about this? The Mexicans think we stole this land from them,........
The Mexicans think so???
No.
You did not stole our land. One corrupeted Mexican President sold it for peanuts to your gov at that time.
PrettyPrescious: .... and they want it back.....
Not all, I do not!
RayfromUSA: I want your house.
galrads: You can't afford my little shack.
Are you sure abut it Ray?
You both made me laugh and remind me of another situation involving a house.
In the past-past elections for president, there strongest candidates were: one for the right and one for the left parties and I do remember people saying that if the left party would wind, all the people would have to share their assets -houses included-.
Me, I had chosen already were I was going to move in (in case the left party had won, a house with swimming pool, nice cars, etc….)
Btw I am poor too just I have a good taste for life.
lifeisadream: ....
In the past-past elections for president, there strongest candidates were: one for the right and one for the left parties and I do remember people saying that if the left party would wind, all the people would have to share their assets -houses included....
In the past-past elections for president, there strongest candidates were: one for the right and one for the left parties and I do remember people saying that if the left party would wind, all the people would have to share their assets -houses included....
We do have 3 principal political parties + some other minor ones.
galrads: This country is not doomed. It has seen worse times and pulled out of them. We'll do it again too.
I'll believe that when the national debt gets back up to zero.
lifeisadream: ...I do remember people saying that if the left party would win, all the people would have to share their assets -houses included.
Sounds crazy but that has happened in the past.
Like in Dr Zhivago when he comes back from the war to find out that the Communists have divided up his big house into tiny apartments with dozens of people living there and treating him with no respect.
Collectivization gains initial popular support by pretending it will be more fair to the poor etc. But it is really about a tiny controlling elite stealing everything from everybody else.
galrads: They need to accept jobs that are out there even if the work is not elated to their expensive higher education.
I absolutely agree. I am not sure how unemployment insurance policies work now, but some time ago, in the 80's and 90's, one didn't have to accept a job that was more than 25% less>>(i.e. a person making $20.00 per hour did not have to accept a job for less than $15.00). This always burned me up--I didn't agree with that part of the policy. I say when the chips are down and jobs are scarce, you take a minimum wage job like everyone else (in that category) has to. If the economy is so terrible, then I would think a person would be glad to get an income. Yes, I know that often the job would then pay less than the unemployment benefits, but I think if I had to accept work the unemployment office offered, then so does EVERYBODY ELSE. That's what would be "fair". JMORayfromUSA: Sounds crazy but that has happened in the past.
Like in Dr Zhivago when he comes back from the war to find out that the Communists have divided up his big house into tiny apartments with dozens of people living there and treating him with no respect.
Collectivization gains initial popular support by pretending it will be more fair to the poor etc. But it is really about a tiny controlling elite stealing everything from everybody else.
Like in Dr Zhivago when he comes back from the war to find out that the Communists have divided up his big house into tiny apartments with dozens of people living there and treating him with no respect.
Collectivization gains initial popular support by pretending it will be more fair to the poor etc. But it is really about a tiny controlling elite stealing everything from everybody else.
Ask the Father and the brother of Hugo Chavez about it!
There is not sytem fair FOR the poor.
A good weapon for the poor is education.
Too bad the USA and the Mexican governments have not come to good terms for a fair and win-win exchange.
We do have plenty of universities (good quality ones) which could host USA students (with a much lower cost) and they could get a degree in exchange of some work-visas. All of them under the governments control. Then, cut down the inmigration, including the ilegal one.
lifeisadream: The Mexicans think so???
No.
You did not stole our land. One corrupeted Mexican President sold it for peanuts to your gov at that time.
No.
You did not stole our land. One corrupeted Mexican President sold it for peanuts to your gov at that time.
That's not what Wikipedia thinks.
The Mexican–American War... was an armed conflict between the United States and Mexico from 1846 to 1848 in the wake of the 1845 U.S. annexation of Texas...
Combat operations lasted a year and a half, from spring 1846 to fall 1847. American forces quickly occupied New Mexico and California, then invaded parts of Northeastern Mexico and Northwest Mexico; meanwhile, the Pacific Squadron conducted a blockade, and took control of several garrisons on the Pacific coast further south in Baja California. Another American army captured Mexico City, and the war ended in victory for the U.S.
The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo specified the major consequence of the war: the forced Mexican Cession of the territories of Alta California and New Mexico (including the western half of what is now Texas) to the U.S. in exchange for $15 million. In addition, the United States assumed $3.25 million of debt owed by the Mexican government to U.S. citizens. Mexico accepted the loss of Texas and thereafter cited the Rio Grande as its national border.
So, although the Mexican president may have been corrupt as you say (most politicians are) it does seem like he put up a good fight before ceding all that land to the US under duress.
lifeisadream: Are you sure abut it Ray?
You both made me laugh and remind me of another situation involving a house.
In the past-past elections for president, there strongest candidates were: one for the right and one for the left parties and I do remember people saying that if the left party would wind, all the people would have to share their assets -houses included-.
Me, I had chosen already were I was going to move in (in case the left party had won, a house with swimming pool, nice cars, etc….)
Btw I am poor too just I have a good taste for life.
You both made me laugh and remind me of another situation involving a house.
In the past-past elections for president, there strongest candidates were: one for the right and one for the left parties and I do remember people saying that if the left party would wind, all the people would have to share their assets -houses included-.
Me, I had chosen already were I was going to move in (in case the left party had won, a house with swimming pool, nice cars, etc….)
Btw I am poor too just I have a good taste for life.
I can't believe that. Even if true, it's always been evident on CS, that you've always been rich in character.
lifeisadream: Ask the Father and the brother of Hugo Chavez about it!
There is not sytem fair FOR the poor.
A good weapon for the poor is education.
Too bad the USA and the Mexican governments have not come to good terms for a fair and win-win exchange.
We do have plenty of universities (good quality ones) which could host USA students (with a much lower cost) and they could get a degree in exchange of some work-visas. All of them under the governments control. Then, cut down the inmigration, including the ilegal one.
There is not sytem fair FOR the poor.
A good weapon for the poor is education.
Too bad the USA and the Mexican governments have not come to good terms for a fair and win-win exchange.
We do have plenty of universities (good quality ones) which could host USA students (with a much lower cost) and they could get a degree in exchange of some work-visas. All of them under the governments control. Then, cut down the inmigration, including the ilegal one.
In the past it would have been hard to get US students to learn Spanish to a level adequate for attending university in Mexico.
But I think that may be changing now.
Economic interest is a good motivator.
lifeisadream: Ask the Father and the brother of Hugo Chavez about it!
There is not sytem fair FOR the poor.
A good weapon for the poor is education.
Too bad the USA and the Mexican governments have not come to good terms for a fair and win-win exchange.
We do have plenty of universities (good quality ones) which could host USA students (with a much lower cost) and they could get a degree in exchange of some work-visas. All of them under the governments control. Then, cut down the inmigration, including the ilegal one.
There is not sytem fair FOR the poor.
A good weapon for the poor is education.
Too bad the USA and the Mexican governments have not come to good terms for a fair and win-win exchange.
We do have plenty of universities (good quality ones) which could host USA students (with a much lower cost) and they could get a degree in exchange of some work-visas. All of them under the governments control. Then, cut down the inmigration, including the ilegal one.
I've wondered this for a long time. There are many possibilities to explain what is going on but I have to wonder if it all comes down to money. i.e. who profits the most from keeping things the way they are between our two countries?
This is why I believe the millions of undocumented worker's lives are manipulated and used by both country's governments. It's obvious amnesty should be granted to most of them and without any strings. In fact, most of them should be given dual citizenships.
RayfromUSA: I'll believe that when the national debt gets back up to zero.
Ray, my man, most of that debt is to ourselves. We could pay what we owe England overnight, the next couple of days would be needed to pay off what we owe both China and Japan. Etc. all we need to do is borrow the money and buy a couple more printing presses. We might be up to EQ7 before its all over though.
galrads: Ray, my man, most of that debt is to ourselves. We could pay what we owe England overnight, the next couple of days would be needed to pay off what we owe both China and Japan. Etc. all we need to do is borrow the money and buy a couple more printing presses. We might be up to EQ7 before its all over though.
You could try printing bills of larger denominations. That would save on ink and paper and you might not need the new presses.
RayfromUSA: You could try printing bills of larger denominations. That would save on ink and paper and you might not need the new presses.
Wow, that reminds me, I think Obama has the idea of minting one one-trillion dollar coin, with his image on it. Congress loves that idea. Sixteen coins you can drop in a vending machine and our national debt is solved. No more Quantitative Easing necessary after that.
RayfromUSA: That's not what Wikipedia thinks.
The Mexican–American War... was an armed conflict between the United States and Mexico from 1846 to 1848 in the wake of the 1845 U.S. annexation of Texas...
Combat operations lasted a year and a half, from spring 1846 to fall 1847. American forces quickly occupied New Mexico and California, then invaded parts of Northeastern Mexico and Northwest Mexico; meanwhile, the Pacific Squadron conducted a blockade, and took control of several garrisons on the Pacific coast further south in Baja California. Another American army captured Mexico City, and the war ended in victory for the U.S.
The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo specified the major consequence of the war: the forced Mexican Cession of the territories of Alta California and New Mexico (including the western half of what is now Texas) to the U.S. in exchange for $15 million. In addition, the United States assumed $3.25 million of debt owed by the Mexican government to U.S. citizens. Mexico accepted the loss of Texas and thereafter cited the Rio Grande as its national border.
So, although the Mexican president may have been corrupt as you say (most politicians are) it does seem like he put up a good fight before ceding all that land to the US under duress.
The Mexican–American War... was an armed conflict between the United States and Mexico from 1846 to 1848 in the wake of the 1845 U.S. annexation of Texas...
Combat operations lasted a year and a half, from spring 1846 to fall 1847. American forces quickly occupied New Mexico and California, then invaded parts of Northeastern Mexico and Northwest Mexico; meanwhile, the Pacific Squadron conducted a blockade, and took control of several garrisons on the Pacific coast further south in Baja California. Another American army captured Mexico City, and the war ended in victory for the U.S.
The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo specified the major consequence of the war: the forced Mexican Cession of the territories of Alta California and New Mexico (including the western half of what is now Texas) to the U.S. in exchange for $15 million. In addition, the United States assumed $3.25 million of debt owed by the Mexican government to U.S. citizens. Mexico accepted the loss of Texas and thereafter cited the Rio Grande as its national border.
So, although the Mexican president may have been corrupt as you say (most politicians are) it does seem like he put up a good fight before ceding all that land to the US under duress.
The point is about the peanuts that the USA gov paid to Mexico.
galrads: I can't believe that. Even if true, it's always been evident on CS, that you've always been rich in character.
Thanks Galrads!
RayfromUSA: In the past it would have been hard to get US students to learn Spanish to a level adequate for attending university in Mexico.
But I think that may be changing now.
Economic interest is a good motivator.
But I think that may be changing now.
Economic interest is a good motivator.
It goes both ways Ray and now students learn one, 2, 3 or more languages!!!
galrads: I've wondered this for a long time. There are many possibilities to explain what is going on but I have to wonder if it all comes down to money. i.e. who profits the most from keeping things the way they are between our two countries?
This is why I believe the millions of undocumented worker's lives are manipulated and used by both country's governments. It's obvious amnesty should be granted to most of them and without any strings.....
This is why I believe the millions of undocumented worker's lives are manipulated and used by both country's governments. It's obvious amnesty should be granted to most of them and without any strings.....
There are many ways to benefit both countries and a thread with this topic could be interesting.
galrads: .... In fact, most of them should be given dual citizenships.
Most of them?
Something to discuss about it.
Ray and Galrads
lifeisadream: The point is about the peanuts that the USA gov paid to Mexico.
Thanks Galrads!
It goes both ways Ray and now students learn one, 2, 3 or more languages!!!
There are many ways to benefit both countries and a thread with this topic could be interesting.
Most of them?
Something to discuss about it.
Ray and Galrads
Thanks Galrads!
It goes both ways Ray and now students learn one, 2, 3 or more languages!!!
There are many ways to benefit both countries and a thread with this topic could be interesting.
Most of them?
Something to discuss about it.
Ray and Galrads
By 'Most' .... I would exclude any undocumented worker from being eligible for amnesty and dual-citizenship, only if they have a criminal element in their background.
galrads: Wow, that reminds me, I think Obama has the idea of minting one one-trillion dollar coin, with his image on it. Congress loves that idea. Sixteen coins you can drop in a vending machine and our national debt is solved. No more Quantitative Easing necessary after that.
Well he did promise us "change" didn't he?
The US has a bad case of B.O.
RayfromUSA: Well he did promise us "change" didn't he?
The US has a bad case of B.O.
The US has a bad case of B.O.
PrettyPrescious: Thank you for enlightening me on that.
My pleasure!
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You said no one today took anything away from anyone. Okay, it was some of our ancestors who did it...taking away the land, language, religion and way of life of the Native Americans. The US gov't is still supposed to honor the treaties, even though it happened in the past. But that is another issue entirely, I'll admit it...