Does welfare promote laziness? (209)
JeanKimberley: social security a ponzi scheme... People are lazy or people are not lazy in every endeavor in life.
It is a myth to think that people that are lazy go on welfare or that people on welfare become lazy.
When it comes to tax dollars used to help individuals then there is a mass amount of stupid opinions by the uninformed with a "blame the victim" mentality.
some welfare programs work, some don't. when you have a mother of 6 children all under the age of 10 years as an example - we all want to say, why did she have some many children, where is the father in this situation to help out or the fathers, and we want to punish her and the children by saying she needs to get a job and support them, not the tax payer.
The reality is - she is working full time at a menial job and it is not enough, or because the children need her so much that she can't get full time hours, or an employer that is willing to pay a good wage. The fathers are dead beat dads cause they say that the new boyfriend should pay for their children. The children through no fault of their own need to be sheltered, and educated - so the welfare programs that help out.
does that make this mother and the majority of those that are on welfare lazy?
again, some are and some are not...... it has no relationship. Welfare programs work or they don't work. Attributing characteristics of humans and blaming the victim is just uninformed.
It is a myth to think that people that are lazy go on welfare or that people on welfare become lazy.
When it comes to tax dollars used to help individuals then there is a mass amount of stupid opinions by the uninformed with a "blame the victim" mentality.
some welfare programs work, some don't. when you have a mother of 6 children all under the age of 10 years as an example - we all want to say, why did she have some many children, where is the father in this situation to help out or the fathers, and we want to punish her and the children by saying she needs to get a job and support them, not the tax payer.
The reality is - she is working full time at a menial job and it is not enough, or because the children need her so much that she can't get full time hours, or an employer that is willing to pay a good wage. The fathers are dead beat dads cause they say that the new boyfriend should pay for their children. The children through no fault of their own need to be sheltered, and educated - so the welfare programs that help out.
does that make this mother and the majority of those that are on welfare lazy?
again, some are and some are not...... it has no relationship. Welfare programs work or they don't work. Attributing characteristics of humans and blaming the victim is just uninformed.
sometimes I have to believe you must have a stash of some good Peyote. You are stating opinion and ignoring reality on what welfare breeds. Two years should be enough for anyone to get back on their feet and supporting themselves. Read the facts. Even Mr. Google can and will easily show you the truth....
please remember “A man of knowledge lives by acting, not by thinking about acting.”
~Carlos Castaneda
I'm afraid I have to agree with Miss JK. Suggesting that people are 'made' lazy by welfare sytems is analogous with suggesting that gay people can be 'cured'. Probably something you subscribe to also I suspect, Galrads.
People may perhaps be born lazier than average but there is no imperical evidence to suggest that people become more or less lazy throughout their lives due to external factors.
To believe in such is emotive and irrational nonsense.
People may perhaps be born lazier than average but there is no imperical evidence to suggest that people become more or less lazy throughout their lives due to external factors.
To believe in such is emotive and irrational nonsense.
Rubicon76: I'm afraid I have to agree with Miss JK. Suggesting that people are 'made' lazy by welfare sytems is analogous with suggesting that gay people can be 'cured'. Probably something you subscribe to also I suspect, Galrads.
People may perhaps be born lazier than average but there is no imperical evidence to suggest that people become more or less lazy throughout their lives due to external factors.
To believe in such is emotive and irrational nonsense.
People may perhaps be born lazier than average but there is no imperical evidence to suggest that people become more or less lazy throughout their lives due to external factors.
To believe in such is emotive and irrational nonsense.
Thank you for your prejudiced opinion but to ignore common reality is emotive and irrational nonsense?
Here's a link from Factcheck that shows people on welfare in different states.It also shows which states supported Obama regarding welfare.
Here's another link showing U.S.Government spending regarding Welfare in 2013.
galrads: sometimes I have to believe you must have a stash of some good Peyote. You are stating opinion and ignoring reality on what welfare breeds. Two years should be enough for anyone to get back on their feet and supporting themselves. Read the facts. Even Mr. Google can and will easily show you the truth....
please remember “A man of knowledge lives by acting, not by thinking about acting.”
~Carlos Castaneda
Carlos Castaneda,in ""Separate Reality""?????please remember “A man of knowledge lives by acting, not by thinking about acting.”
~Carlos Castaneda
chris27292729: Carlos Castaneda,in ""Separate Reality""?????
Yes, "Journey To Ixtlan" is my favorite. I actually unknowingly met him once in a anthropology class I audited at U.C. His multi-lingual coyotes, seemingly popular, really disturbed the class.
galrads: sometimes I have to believe you must have a stash of some good Peyote. You are stating opinion and ignoring reality on what welfare breeds. Two years should be enough for anyone to get back on their feet and supporting themselves. Read the facts. Even Mr. Google can and will easily show you the truth....
please remember “A man of knowledge lives by acting, not by thinking about acting.”
~Carlos Castaneda
please remember “A man of knowledge lives by acting, not by thinking about acting.”
~Carlos Castaneda
To become a "man of knowledge" we have to face and defeat the 4 enemies of man, the first one being FEAR. A man who is defeated by the first enemy becomes just a scared man or worse A BULLY. Very typical of right wing minds.
Dadude62: To become a "man of knowledge" we have to face and defeat the 4 enemies of man, the first one being FEAR. A man who is defeated by the first enemy becomes just a scared man or worse A BULLY. Very typical of right wing minds.
Why do you extreme Left always resort to name calling and labeling other people when you are wrong or when someone simply disagrees with you? Give it a rest,why don't you or go hold president Obama's umbrella for him.
chris27292729: I think there are 2 big categories(of course there are sub categories of those 2 big one's), for those in welfare. The 1st category is the one's who are comfortable been on welfare,and not very eager to be back in the labour market,and the 2nd category is the one's,who with the first opportunity of a job,will disengaged happily from the welfare system,to a new found job.JMO
There were at one time, I don't know if they're still available or not, classes teaching people how to get on, and stay on, welfare. Some people are just lazy and are willing to take the life that comes from living on welfare just to avoid work.
point well stated 
there are allot of needy people particularly those with children who are single parents . Its not to be looked down at if the recipients of help are trying to better themselves . However if a person is just lazy or have other issues no i don;t think the government should support being a bum. the kids yes and the working poor i really its nothing to look down on on. i give only to the needy not the greedy 
pinkdiamond3: there are allot of needy people particularly those with children who are single parents . Its not to be looked down at if the recipients of help are trying to better themselves . However if a person is just lazy or have other issues no i don;t think the government should support being a bum. the kids yes and the working poor i really its nothing to look down on on. i give only to the needy not the greedy
I agree!
"The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern."
Proverbs 29:7
Proverbs 29:7
Dadude62: "The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern."
Proverbs 29:7
Proverbs 29:7
But then again, Solomon didn't set up a welfare system.
He was talking about individuals taking personal initiative to help the poor. A moral value rather than forced collectivity.
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Where does that welfare money go?
People buy food from public sector supermarkets and other public sector businesses, clothes from public sector businesses, pay rent to private landlords, pay for public sector energy and water companies.
How does welfare money not circulate in the public sector?
Read my post again.
I never said that money doesn't circulate in the pulic sector.
I said money is taken out of the private sector.
The private sector is people's pockets.
The public sector is the economy in general.
If a robber takes your money the money still circulates in the public sector. But it does you no good.
Social charges are taken out of the private sector. In other words from people who work. Some of the money is then given back to other people as various forms of welfare. But a lot is also used to run the big expensive, corrupt, and wasteful social bureaucracy.
Of course all that money, no matter who gets it, remains in the "public" sector (the economy in general). But it is taken out of the "private" sector in that it is no longer in the possession of the people who did the work that created the value attatched to the money in the first place.
Thus, the private sector has reduced capacity to invest in new activity that could generate more jobs. And less incentive to do so because the increased costs make it less likely that their investment will be profitable.
So what happens in an overly socialized economy is that a lot of the capital leaves the country to seek more profitable opportunities and the remaining companies find themselves having to bear an ever greater share of an ever increasing social burden. Big Brother then steps in to seize and take over industry and it evolves deeper and deeper into soviet style collectivism. Everybody is on welfare, even the people who work. Of course nobody is motivated to work very hard and productivity and quality go down the tubes.
The money remains in the "public" sector but the "private" sector dies.
Where does that welfare money go?
People buy food from public sector supermarkets and other public sector businesses, clothes from public sector businesses, pay rent to private landlords, pay for public sector energy and water companies.
How does welfare money not circulate in the public sector?
Read my post again.
I never said that money doesn't circulate in the pulic sector.
I said money is taken out of the private sector.
The private sector is people's pockets.
The public sector is the economy in general.
If a robber takes your money the money still circulates in the public sector. But it does you no good.
Social charges are taken out of the private sector. In other words from people who work. Some of the money is then given back to other people as various forms of welfare. But a lot is also used to run the big expensive, corrupt, and wasteful social bureaucracy.
Of course all that money, no matter who gets it, remains in the "public" sector (the economy in general). But it is taken out of the "private" sector in that it is no longer in the possession of the people who did the work that created the value attatched to the money in the first place.
Thus, the private sector has reduced capacity to invest in new activity that could generate more jobs. And less incentive to do so because the increased costs make it less likely that their investment will be profitable.
So what happens in an overly socialized economy is that a lot of the capital leaves the country to seek more profitable opportunities and the remaining companies find themselves having to bear an ever greater share of an ever increasing social burden. Big Brother then steps in to seize and take over industry and it evolves deeper and deeper into soviet style collectivism. Everybody is on welfare, even the people who work. Of course nobody is motivated to work very hard and productivity and quality go down the tubes.
The money remains in the "public" sector but the "private" sector dies.
Let's assume all benefits stop. What are you going to do with the hundreds of thousands of people who now have to steal to eat? Put them in prison at around £25,000 a year? What are you going to do when the unemployed and starving come after your job? Or are you so perfect nobody who is unemployed could possibly do your job? Who is going to pay for the policing? Look at France, UK and Sweden where unemployment has caused rioting, do you think unemployed starving people aren't going to riot? What are you going to do with all the malnurished children? Given that welfare costs for children in the UK can exceed £100,000 per child per year?
The vast majority of benefit spending in the UK is spent on subsidising businesses who pay wages nobody can afford to live on. Unemployment exists in most capitalist countries to maintain low wages, the higher the levels of unemployment, the lower the levels of wages. Unemployment will ALWAYS exist unless we move to a 'communist' style economy.
The vast majority of benefit spending in the UK is spent on subsidising businesses who pay wages nobody can afford to live on. Unemployment exists in most capitalist countries to maintain low wages, the higher the levels of unemployment, the lower the levels of wages. Unemployment will ALWAYS exist unless we move to a 'communist' style economy.
you, yourself are in executive sales......it is a shame that you and the wealthy of this country do not take compasssion on those who need government assistance.......you all are so quick to locate and condemn the few who take advantage........a word is stingy......another is callous......another is cruel......look- your corporate big wigs steal more from americans than the miniscule amount the shuck and jive cats on city streets glom......since you want to condemn- where are the jobs that these people could have.........well- the big wigs sent manufacturing to china ........cute.....did YOU ever collect food stamps......collect welfare ........no......?......then don't condemn those who desperately need assistance........oh- you have shares in monsanto- the bad food company.....?......shares in BP- the garbage oil company......?......shares in state farm [who refused to pay katrina policy holders in mississippi- until the stae dragged SF into court].....you are an executive-ette- you and your kind are the cause of poverty in this country.........help the poor in this country- at least by keeping your mouth shut about undeserving folk......
woodstock1: you, yourself are in executive sales......it is a shame that you and the wealthy of this country do not take compasssion on those who need government assistance.......you all are so quick to locate and condemn the few who take advantage........a word is stingy......another is callous......another is cruel......look- your corporate big wigs steal more from americans than the miniscule amount the shuck and jive cats on city streets glom......since you want to condemn- where are the jobs that these people could have.........well- the big wigs sent manufacturing to china ........cute.....did YOU ever collect food stamps......collect welfare ........no......?......then don't condemn those who desperately need assistance........oh- you have shares in monsanto- the bad food company.....?......shares in BP- the garbage oil company......?......shares in state farm [who refused to pay katrina policy holders in mississippi- until the stae dragged SF into court].....you are an executive-ette- you and your kind are the cause of poverty in this country.........help the poor in this country- at least by keeping your mouth shut about undeserving folk......
The only people causing poverty in this country are the lifers on public assistance. Look at the exploited situation the millions of undocumented Mexicans are in. Have they decided to just sit around complaining, believing certain work is beneath their dignity?
Do they want someone else to do their thinking and give just give them money because they deserve it?
No, instead they go out and work for a living. How about that concept. Work for what you want.
Sometime I believe this great state of Ohio could be greater if we could move Cleveland to California.
lifeisadream: To my knowledge, no one place a gun to anyone to work for them (the first ones). People can be self-sufficient and/or work for themselves, grow and preserve their own food, etc….. That amount is nothing when the objectives of that particular program are reached and it can be too much when they are not.So do I but for myself.
Do you think that the only ones who struggle are the ones that are in welfare?
Who is picking on those less fortunate?
Can you tell me why some people takes less than 7 months to be out of the welfare programs while others take longer and some have been over 5 years in that program?
You are correct that there is greed everywhere, not just the very wealty; it is just that the biggest amounts of money are well, with the very wealthy, of course. And people are waking up to the corruption going on with all of this.
I don't have all the answers as to why it takes some AFDC recipients longer to find work than others, other than to say that it depends on the jobs they are looking for, and need for those workers. Same for anyone else looking for work; it may take days for some, months for others.
Average Time on AFCD (Aid to Families with Dependent Children)
Time on AFDC Percent of Recipients
Less than 7 months 19%
7 to 12 months 15.2%
1 to 2 years 19.3%
2 to 5 years 26.9%
Over 5 years 19.6%
Then people who are not wealthy or just wealthy they are not corrupted?
Only the very wealthy?
Should the very wealthy give their fortune away because there are too many poor people?
Then
How many kidneys do you have PrettyPrecoius?
You must have 2 and you need only one to live.
If you have 2 kidneys: Would you give one of your kidneys to someone?
Because there are many who need that kidney of yours.
Or are you going to be extremely egotistical, arrogant and cold-hearted not to care for those in need of a kidney?
Btw I have never been in a welfare program and I am not giving away none of my kidneys to anyone with whom I do not share some DNA with, in case of needed.
Do you think that the only ones who struggle are the ones that are in welfare?
Who is picking on those less fortunate?
Can you tell me why some people takes less than 7 months to be out of the welfare programs while others take longer and some have been over 5 years in that program?
You are correct that there is greed everywhere, not just the very wealty; it is just that the biggest amounts of money are well, with the very wealthy, of course. And people are waking up to the corruption going on with all of this.
I don't have all the answers as to why it takes some AFDC recipients longer to find work than others, other than to say that it depends on the jobs they are looking for, and need for those workers. Same for anyone else looking for work; it may take days for some, months for others.
Average Time on AFCD (Aid to Families with Dependent Children)
Time on AFDC Percent of Recipients
Less than 7 months 19%
7 to 12 months 15.2%
1 to 2 years 19.3%
2 to 5 years 26.9%
Over 5 years 19.6%
Then people who are not wealthy or just wealthy they are not corrupted?
Only the very wealthy?
Should the very wealthy give their fortune away because there are too many poor people?
Then
How many kidneys do you have PrettyPrecoius?
You must have 2 and you need only one to live.
If you have 2 kidneys: Would you give one of your kidneys to someone?
Because there are many who need that kidney of yours.
Or are you going to be extremely egotistical, arrogant and cold-hearted not to care for those in need of a kidney?
Btw I have never been in a welfare program and I am not giving away none of my kidneys to anyone with whom I do not share some DNA with, in case of needed.
Of course,
galrads: The only people causing poverty in this country are the lifers on public assistance.
Really? And how much do these 'lifers' cost?
Does this compare with, for example the $3.3 million to bail out ONE Alaskan tourist boat?
or the NFL, NHL, and PGA who all classify themselves as non-profit organizations, taxpayers may be losing at least $89.9 million subsidizing these tax loopholes for professional sports leagues that generate billions of dollars annually in profits
Look at the exploited situation the millions of undocumented Mexicans are in. Have they decided to just sit around complaining, believing certain work is beneath their dignity?
Do they want someone else to do their thinking and give just give them money because they deserve it?
No, instead they go out and work for a living. How about that concept. Work for what you want
Really? And how much do these 'lifers' cost?
Does this compare with, for example the $3.3 million to bail out ONE Alaskan tourist boat?
or the NFL, NHL, and PGA who all classify themselves as non-profit organizations, taxpayers may be losing at least $89.9 million subsidizing these tax loopholes for professional sports leagues that generate billions of dollars annually in profits
Look at the exploited situation the millions of undocumented Mexicans are in. Have they decided to just sit around complaining, believing certain work is beneath their dignity?
Do they want someone else to do their thinking and give just give them money because they deserve it?
No, instead they go out and work for a living. How about that concept. Work for what you want
And how many of these are paying taxes? By not paying taxes not only do these immigrants undercut the minimum wages of people who DO pay taxes, but actively cost the state money by reducing the income to the government, whilst at the same time forcing people who would have done the work onto benefits. But let's not forget all the fat cats who employ them undercutting the minimum wage and making extra profit for themselves, which I'm sure they will pay in their taxes (NOT!)
galrads: The only people causing poverty in this country are the lifers on public assistance.
Really? And how much do these 'lifers' cost?
Does this compare with, for example the $3.3 million to bail out ONE Alaskan tourist boat?
or the NFL, NHL, and PGA who all classify themselves as non-profit organizations, taxpayers may be losing at least $89.9 million subsidizing these tax loopholes for professional sports leagues that generate billions of dollars annually in profits
galrads:
Look at the exploited situation the millions of undocumented Mexicans are in. Have they decided to just sit around complaining, believing certain work is beneath their dignity?
Do they want someone else to do their thinking and give just give them money because they deserve it?
No, instead they go out and work for a living. How about that concept. Work for what you want
Look at the exploited situation the millions of undocumented Mexicans are in. Have they decided to just sit around complaining, believing certain work is beneath their dignity?
Do they want someone else to do their thinking and give just give them money because they deserve it?
No, instead they go out and work for a living. How about that concept. Work for what you want
And how many of these are paying taxes? By not paying taxes not only do these immigrants undercut the minimum wages of people who DO pay taxes, but actively cost the state money by reducing the income to the government, whilst at the same time forcing people who would have done the work onto benefits. But let's not forget all the fat cats who employ them undercutting the minimum wage and making extra profit for themselves, which I'm sure they will pay in their taxes (NOT!)
Yes welfare do make people lazy and they live their live without facing challeges at the job and in business,I have seen most people on welfare get sick mentally
Jack68: Yes welfare do make people lazy and they live their live without facing challeges at the job and in business,I have seen most people on welfare get sick mentally
People on welfare don't face challenges!! What the hell are you smoking!? A friend of mine has been unemployed for nearly four months now. He has applied for, on average four jobs per day for that four months, that is around 300+ job applications. He has had THREE letters back from employers acknowledging his job applications. Needless to say he now suffers from poor self image and is starting to suffer signs of depression. It's not the 'welfare' that is making him ill.
Really? And how much do these 'lifers' cost?
Does this compare with, for example the $3.3 million to bail out ONE Alaskan tourist boat?
or the NFL, NHL, and PGA who all classify themselves as non-profit organizations, taxpayers may be losing at least $89.9 million subsidizing these tax loopholes for professional sports leagues that generate billions of dollars annually in profits
And how many of these are paying taxes? By not paying taxes not only do these immigrants undercut the minimum wages of people who DO pay taxes, but actively cost the state money by reducing the income to the government, whilst at the same time forcing people who would have done the work onto benefits. But let's not forget all the fat cats who employ them undercutting the minimum wage and making extra profit for themselves, which I'm sure they will pay in their taxes (NOT!)[/quote]
You get my point, yet you don't understand. Our governments,Mexico and USA, have created the situation where the undocumented Mexicans are exploited and used to the point where they have needed to do something to survive, work. This is unlike unemployed lazy Americans sitting around having a pity party for themselves while they wait for their next government check.
Unemployed Americans can do the same jobs as the undocumented workers but are too lazy to do them as we'll as because they feel 'entitled' to better jobs because Americans have gone in debt for higher educations. Most Americans are fat and Lazy to begin with. Half of them live in some sort of dream world where they believe government is the answer and goto place for everything.
Does this compare with, for example the $3.3 million to bail out ONE Alaskan tourist boat?
or the NFL, NHL, and PGA who all classify themselves as non-profit organizations, taxpayers may be losing at least $89.9 million subsidizing these tax loopholes for professional sports leagues that generate billions of dollars annually in profits
And how many of these are paying taxes? By not paying taxes not only do these immigrants undercut the minimum wages of people who DO pay taxes, but actively cost the state money by reducing the income to the government, whilst at the same time forcing people who would have done the work onto benefits. But let's not forget all the fat cats who employ them undercutting the minimum wage and making extra profit for themselves, which I'm sure they will pay in their taxes (NOT!)[/quote]
You get my point, yet you don't understand. Our governments,Mexico and USA, have created the situation where the undocumented Mexicans are exploited and used to the point where they have needed to do something to survive, work. This is unlike unemployed lazy Americans sitting around having a pity party for themselves while they wait for their next government check.
Unemployed Americans can do the same jobs as the undocumented workers but are too lazy to do them as we'll as because they feel 'entitled' to better jobs because Americans have gone in debt for higher educations. Most Americans are fat and Lazy to begin with. Half of them live in some sort of dream world where they believe government is the answer and goto place for everything.
galrads:
You get my point, yet you don't understand. Our governments,Mexico and USA, have created the situation where the undocumented Mexicans are exploited and used to the point where they have needed to do something to survive, work. This is unlike unemployed lazy Americans sitting around having a pity party for themselves while they wait for their next government check.
You get my point, yet you don't understand. Our governments,Mexico and USA, have created the situation where the undocumented Mexicans are exploited and used to the point where they have needed to do something to survive, work. This is unlike unemployed lazy Americans sitting around having a pity party for themselves while they wait for their next government check.
And you are obviously not getting my point. Employers will hire Mexicans BEFORE they hire Americans because they know that Mexicans don't pay taxes, which means the employer doesn't either. Mexicans are not covered by health and safety legislation, because they are working illegally and Mexicans work for LESS than the minimum wage because they don't have a choice. You want to get more Americans employed? Then the first thing to do is to bankrupt anybody found hiring illegal workers. Make fines for hiring illegal workers astronomical and punitive.
Unemployed Americans can do the same jobs as the undocumented workers but are too lazy to do them as we'll as because they feel 'entitled' to better jobs because Americans have gone in debt for higher educations. Most Americans are fat and Lazy to begin with. Half of them live in some sort of dream world where they believe government is the answer and goto place for everything.
Iuchi_Zien: And you are obviously not getting my point. Employers will hire Mexicans BEFORE they hire Americans because they know that Mexicans don't pay taxes, which means the employer doesn't either. Mexicans are not covered by health and safety legislation, because they are working illegally and Mexicans work for LESS than the minimum wage because they don't have a choice. You want to get more Americans employed? Then the first thing to do is to bankrupt anybody found hiring illegal workers. Make fines for hiring illegal workers astronomical and punitive.
Unemployed Americans can do the same jobs as the undocumented workers but are too lazy to do them as we'll as because they feel 'entitled' to better jobs because Americans have gone in debt for higher educations. Most Americans are fat and Lazy to begin with. Half of them live in some sort of dream world where they believe government is the answer and goto place for everything.
Unemployed Americans can do the same jobs as the undocumented workers but are too lazy to do them as we'll as because they feel 'entitled' to better jobs because Americans have gone in debt for higher educations. Most Americans are fat and Lazy to begin with. Half of them live in some sort of dream world where they believe government is the answer and goto place for everything.
Exactly!!!!!
The undocumented workers are exploited for corp/business gains here in the usa and our government has allowed them to be used for our benefit. The undocumented workers 'work' and the business that higher them are the ones who don't pay. This is not the undocumented workers fault. They are exploited by us and their own government. More Threads
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Im surprised to read your position on welfare.
Welfare has long been associated with laziness. I gave you one example already of when a president signed a bill to require people to be dropped from welfare after two years because people developed laziness in the USA and then don't want to do anything to help themselves. Read history if you want to know the truth about how welfare systems have been abused by people gone Lazy.
social security a ponzi scheme...
It is a myth to think that people that are lazy go on welfare or that people on welfare become lazy.
When it comes to tax dollars used to help individuals then there is a mass amount of stupid opinions by the uninformed with a "blame the victim" mentality.
some welfare programs work, some don't. when you have a mother of 6 children all under the age of 10 years as an example - we all want to say, why did she have some many children, where is the father in this situation to help out or the fathers, and we want to punish her and the children by saying she needs to get a job and support them, not the tax payer.
The reality is - she is working full time at a menial job and it is not enough, or because the children need her so much that she can't get full time hours, or an employer that is willing to pay a good wage. The fathers are dead beat dads cause they say that the new boyfriend should pay for their children. The children through no fault of their own need to be sheltered, and educated - so the welfare programs that help out.
does that make this mother and the majority of those that are on welfare lazy?
again, some are and some are not...... it has no relationship. Welfare programs work or they don't work. Attributing characteristics of humans and blaming the victim is just uninformed.