Should the U.S stay out of Syria ? (57)
itsimpossibleBrisbane, Queensland Australia4 Threads 777 PostsObstinance_Works: And we gave this gender the vote. Goodbye world.
mistakes were made...
The US and Israel are already launching missiles, for practice.
The Russians are not happy
The Russians are not happy
GUZMAN1: US have the french help
Probably because France has a large nuclear industry meaning that they don't need Russian gas which means that they won't be affected if relations sour with Russia.
Adalstef: The US and Israel are already launching missiles, for practice.
The Russians are not happy
The Russians are not happy
NATO wasn't informed, the French wasn't informed, the Brits weren't informed.
Obstinance_Works: Probably because France has a large nuclear industry meaning that they don't need Russian gas which means that they won't be affected if relations sour with Russia.
The Gas issue is a lazy media invention.
During the cold war the Soviet Union happily pumped gas, while Western Europe happily bought it. Without interruption. Even when they were close to nuking each other the gas flowed.
There has always been a happy duplicity between Business and Politics.
See UKs exports of precursor chemicals.
Business is business after all.
MrRick77: Should the U.S stay out of Syria ?
America,should respond militarily. But, is my believe the President
before taking any military action, should consult the congress.
And the President has to tell Americans the objective to achieve.
On today's world and technology, is hard to believe what is going
on out there, and who is doing this or that.
In other words, too much, body of lies, around the world.
MADDOG69: The Gas issue is a lazy media invention.
During the cold war the Soviet Union happily pumped gas, while Western Europe happily bought it. Without interruption. Even when they were close to nuking each other the gas flowed.
There has always been a happy duplicity between Business and Politics.
See UKs exports of precursor chemicals.
Business is business after all.
During the cold war the Soviet Union happily pumped gas, while Western Europe happily bought it. Without interruption. Even when they were close to nuking each other the gas flowed.
There has always been a happy duplicity between Business and Politics.
See UKs exports of precursor chemicals.
Business is business after all.
True, Margaret Thatcher and the internationalist filth used Communist coal from Poland to put down our miners and strikers before they outsourced our means of survival to Communist China. They clearly have no scruples whatsoever.
However, I don't think Putin would allow this cannibalistic free-for-all. And it's not the same world today. Russia has other options besides the West and the resource itself is more in demand.
Obstinance_Works:
However, I don't think Putin would allow this cannibalistic free-for-all. And it's not the same world today. Russia has other options besides the West and the resource itself is more in demand.
However, I don't think Putin would allow this cannibalistic free-for-all. And it's not the same world today. Russia has other options besides the West and the resource itself is more in demand.
I think the powers that be, in both camps, really do want us to believe that there is some sort of ALL IN or ALL OUT scenario. It never really is that simple. The Japanese sold the Russians microchips during the cold war... today Russian RD-180 Boosters power American Atlas-V rockets... Israeli communications satellites are launched only a few days ago..... a Flight Simulator I fly at home was developed by the same Company that developed a Desktop trainer for pilots of the USANG (US Air National guard). The company is based in Moscow. If the wider public knew all the behind the scenes cooperation and Real Politik, they would be amazed. And drones like bungalloo above would probably get sick.
MrRick77: Should the U.S stay out of Syria ?
It doesn't really matter what I think cause Obama and his buddies are going to do what they want anyway.
We've been sold out so many many many times anyway.
MADDOG69: If the wider public knew all the behind the scenes cooperation and Real Politik, they would be amazed.
Speaking of drones...Georgia bought surveillance drones off the Israelis before the 2008 August war. The Russians exchanged Tor-1M (SA-15) Codes that they sold to Iran with the Israelis for the interception codes of the Drones so the Russians could hack them.
MADDOG69: I think the powers that be, in both camps, really do want us to believe that there is some sort of ALL IN or ALL OUT scenario. It never really is that simple. The Japanese sold the Russians microchips during the cold war... today Russian RD-180 Boosters power American Atlas-V rockets... Israeli communications satellites are launched only a few days ago..... a Flight Simulator I fly at home was developed by the same Company that developed a Desktop trainer for pilots of the USANG (US Air National guard). The company is based in Moscow. If the wider public knew all the behind the scenes cooperation and Real Politik, they would be amazed. And drones like bungalloo above would probably get sick.
I get that it's global. My point is based on how irrelevant we're quickly becoming to the globe without even realising it. Business will do anything you allow it to, but it still has to have a reason for doing it.
We're now entering into period of real scarcity in the world and the West is losing it's technological edge - This edge will be gone completely by the time I'm 40; have you seen what Orientals study and how hard they study?.. 10.000 womens' studies and liberal arts degrees are not worth one degree in engineering or hard science. Our means of production barely exist. Our debt is massive. Our currencies are hugely inflated in value. The only thing the West has now that is of any lasting appeal and strength is cultural influence.
Obstinance_Works: I get that it's global. My point is based on how irrelevant we're quickly becoming to the globe without even realising it. Business will do anything you allow it to, but it still has to have a reason for doing it.
We're now entering into period of real scarcity in the world and the West is losing it's technological edge - This edge will be gone completely by the time I'm 40; have you seen what Orientals study and how hard they study?.. 10.000 womens' studies and liberal arts degrees are not worth one degree in engineering or hard science. Our means of production barely exist. Our debt is massive. Our currencies are hugely inflated in value. The only thing the West has now that is of any lasting appeal and strength is cultural influence.
We're now entering into period of real scarcity in the world and the West is losing it's technological edge - This edge will be gone completely by the time I'm 40; have you seen what Orientals study and how hard they study?.. 10.000 womens' studies and liberal arts degrees are not worth one degree in engineering or hard science. Our means of production barely exist. Our debt is massive. Our currencies are hugely inflated in value. The only thing the West has now that is of any lasting appeal and strength is cultural influence.
Oh yeah.... the old stereotype of the Asian happy that class is over...... so that he can go home to study is real in the East. Singapore, Taiwan, Japan, China, Education is big there and competition is enormous among themselves. And it's real subjects that will build empires....
MrRick77: Should the U.S stay out of Syria ?
Sometimes I wonder, what is going on in the Middle East.
I mean, for example, Moammar Gaddaph. I remenber time ago
he was a hero for his people, and Syria was a estable country.
But lately, too much commotion.
Who's behind this turmoil? The Western World, Al Quaida, Israel,
Muslims against Muslims? Who is creating all this game,
Get rid of this leader, and put this one on.
Is it, a new generation from the Middle East?
I thought, muslims loved their,leaders.
Conrad73: It's them Reptilians of his again!
Nope, its actually about a Zulu legend and the moon
and the two brothers who bought the moon here
Buwany and Umpencu
Dedovix: Nope, its actually about a Zulu legend and the moon
and the two brothers who bought the moon here
Buwany and Umpencu
OMG,we're hosed!and the two brothers who bought the moon here
Buwany and Umpencu
sofarsogood74: When the west gets involved the war will escalate and more innocent people will die. That is inevitable. How many times does it happen to happen for a lesson to be learned?
Oh, those in control learned the lesson they wanted to learn long ago.
They like things just fine the way they are.
The primary lesson that is not being learned generation after generation by the vast majority is that government is not there to serve the interests of the people. No matter how sincere it may have been originally, over time, government inevitably and invariably becomes corrupted and controlled by the banks and big business.
War is a terrible loss for society at large, but it is incredibly profitable for a tiny minority. And that minority runs things.
Continual warfare assures future markets for the weapons industry including the resale of aging and obsolete weapons to poorer countries, thus allowing for continual upgrades of the superpowers' homeland's arsenals.
But weapons lose their sales appeal when there are no wars. People start to insist on the money being used to improve their own standard of living. So, in order to keep things rolling, there has to always be at least the perceived threat of imminent war.
Constant war assures that neither Congress nor the public will push very hard for cutting down on the military budget. A frightened public is a cooperative public. There must be a continual "them or us" paranoia in order to satiate the huge, ever-hungry military industrial beast.
The wealth of the US didn't just vanish in 2008. Wealth, being a relative value always goes somewhere. When someone gets poorer somebody else get richer. The wealth that used to belong to the US middle class was gobbled up by bankers, financiers, and war merchants (arms manufacturers, service providers, constructors etc).
Contracts of the Pentagon’s top ten contractors jumped from $46 billion in 2001 to $80 billion in 2003, an increase of nearly 75%. Halliburton’s contracts jumped more than nine times their 2001 levels by 2003, from $400 million to $3.9 billion. Northrop Grumman’s contracts doubled, from $5.2 billion to $11.1 billion, over the same time frame; and the nation’s largest weapons contractor, Lockheed Martin, saw a 50% increase, from $14.7 billion to $21.9 billion.
And all that government spending came out of taxpayers pockets one way or another. Either in the form of higher taxes or disguised as price increases for energy or just general "inflation".
And when his turn came, Obama wasn't about to miss out on that gravy train. Wall street and the war industry were very generous to him at the time of his election and he had to return the favor by allowing them to loot the economy, and also by continuing the old wars and creating several new ones to keep their profits up during his presidency.
Obama surpassed both Bush and Reagan in defense spending, with the largest combined budget for the military since World War II (even when corrected for inflation).
The u.s. Economy is based 60% from the military and when they are active it is good for us. Even if we werent how long until syria is knocking on americas door?
RayfromUSA: Oh, those in control learned the lesson they wanted to learn long ago.
They like things just fine the way they are.
The primary lesson that is not being learned generation after generation by the vast majority is that government is not there to serve the interests of the people. No matter how sincere it may have been originally, over time, government inevitably and invariably becomes corrupted and controlled by the banks and big business.
War is a terrible loss for society at large, but it is incredibly profitable for a tiny minority. And that minority runs things.
Continual warfare assures future markets for the weapons industry including the resale of aging and obsolete weapons to poorer countries, thus allowing for continual upgrades of the superpowers' homeland's arsenals.
But weapons lose their sales appeal when there are no wars. People start to insist on the money being used to improve their own standard of living. So, in order to keep things rolling, there has to always be at least the perceived threat of imminent war.
Constant war assures that neither Congress nor the public will push very hard for cutting down on the military budget. A frightened public is a cooperative public. There must be a continual "them or us" paranoia in order to satiate the huge, ever-hungry military industrial beast.
The wealth of the US didn't just vanish in 2008. Wealth, being a relative value always goes somewhere. When someone gets poorer somebody else get richer. The wealth that used to belong to the US middle class was gobbled up by bankers, financiers, and war merchants (arms manufacturers, service providers, constructors etc).
Contracts of the Pentagon’s top ten contractors jumped from $46 billion in 2001 to $80 billion in 2003, an increase of nearly 75%. Halliburton’s contracts jumped more than nine times their 2001 levels by 2003, from $400 million to $3.9 billion. Northrop Grumman’s contracts doubled, from $5.2 billion to $11.1 billion, over the same time frame; and the nation’s largest weapons contractor, Lockheed Martin, saw a 50% increase, from $14.7 billion to $21.9 billion.
And all that government spending came out of taxpayers pockets one way or another. Either in the form of higher taxes or disguised as price increases for energy or just general "inflation".
And when his turn came, Obama wasn't about to miss out on that gravy train. Wall street and the war industry were very generous to him at the time of his election and he had to return the favor by allowing them to loot the economy, and also by continuing the old wars and creating several new ones to keep their profits up during his presidency.
Obama surpassed both Bush and Reagan in defense spending, with the largest combined budget for the military since World War II (even when corrected for inflation).
suppose George Soros has plenty Sock in the Defense-Industry!They like things just fine the way they are.
The primary lesson that is not being learned generation after generation by the vast majority is that government is not there to serve the interests of the people. No matter how sincere it may have been originally, over time, government inevitably and invariably becomes corrupted and controlled by the banks and big business.
War is a terrible loss for society at large, but it is incredibly profitable for a tiny minority. And that minority runs things.
Continual warfare assures future markets for the weapons industry including the resale of aging and obsolete weapons to poorer countries, thus allowing for continual upgrades of the superpowers' homeland's arsenals.
But weapons lose their sales appeal when there are no wars. People start to insist on the money being used to improve their own standard of living. So, in order to keep things rolling, there has to always be at least the perceived threat of imminent war.
Constant war assures that neither Congress nor the public will push very hard for cutting down on the military budget. A frightened public is a cooperative public. There must be a continual "them or us" paranoia in order to satiate the huge, ever-hungry military industrial beast.
The wealth of the US didn't just vanish in 2008. Wealth, being a relative value always goes somewhere. When someone gets poorer somebody else get richer. The wealth that used to belong to the US middle class was gobbled up by bankers, financiers, and war merchants (arms manufacturers, service providers, constructors etc).
Contracts of the Pentagon’s top ten contractors jumped from $46 billion in 2001 to $80 billion in 2003, an increase of nearly 75%. Halliburton’s contracts jumped more than nine times their 2001 levels by 2003, from $400 million to $3.9 billion. Northrop Grumman’s contracts doubled, from $5.2 billion to $11.1 billion, over the same time frame; and the nation’s largest weapons contractor, Lockheed Martin, saw a 50% increase, from $14.7 billion to $21.9 billion.
And all that government spending came out of taxpayers pockets one way or another. Either in the form of higher taxes or disguised as price increases for energy or just general "inflation".
And when his turn came, Obama wasn't about to miss out on that gravy train. Wall street and the war industry were very generous to him at the time of his election and he had to return the favor by allowing them to loot the economy, and also by continuing the old wars and creating several new ones to keep their profits up during his presidency.
Obama surpassed both Bush and Reagan in defense spending, with the largest combined budget for the military since World War II (even when corrected for inflation).
Conrad73: suppose George Soros has plenty Sock in the Defense-Industry!
Heck,STOCK!Conrad73: suppose George Soros has plenty Sock in the Defense-Industry!
I think he deals more with wrecking economies through manipulation of currencies. But it wouldn't surprise me to discover that he had ties to covert military actions. Nothing causes sudden turmoil on a small nations currency values as much as the sudden appearance of a well armed mercenary insurgency. And if someone with a lot of capital to invest knows in advance that it will occur, they are in a position to make a lot of money overnight.
That's how the Rothschilds did it. Start a war and finance the arming of both sides, and at the same time use the threat of war to provoke controlled swings of both stock and currency markets that can be exploited to make billions.
Dedovix: Nope, its actually about a Zulu legend and the moon
and the two brothers who bought the moon here, Buwany and Umpencu
and the two brothers who bought the moon here, Buwany and Umpencu
Who did they buy it from???
I read the other day that the US goverment were deeply concerned that they couldnt pay there "domestic bills" for September.
Is it fair that they should throw millions into this campaign at the expense of its already heavily burdened citizens?
Is it fair that they should throw millions into this campaign at the expense of its already heavily burdened citizens?
Tricky one.
Innocent people have been targeted with chemical weapons, for goodness sake. We knew it was inevitable, just didn't know quite when.... or who?!
Sadly, the US Government are seen as deeming to 'police' (and save)the world, which can't help the cause. It does need to be a wider democratic decision.
However, our Government's hands are tied as its been rejected by vote.
Then you have China and Russia playing cat-and-mouse with the West and, in particular, Russia playing cat-and-mouse with the US because Putin is of the 'old school' regime and would love to revert back to The Cold War....
As with all situations such as this, it descends into a battle of overly-inflated egos!
Can't we have someone like Usain Bolt make a decision on this..... I'm sure he'd do a much better job!
Innocent people have been targeted with chemical weapons, for goodness sake. We knew it was inevitable, just didn't know quite when.... or who?!
Sadly, the US Government are seen as deeming to 'police' (and save)the world, which can't help the cause. It does need to be a wider democratic decision.
However, our Government's hands are tied as its been rejected by vote.
Then you have China and Russia playing cat-and-mouse with the West and, in particular, Russia playing cat-and-mouse with the US because Putin is of the 'old school' regime and would love to revert back to The Cold War....
As with all situations such as this, it descends into a battle of overly-inflated egos!
Can't we have someone like Usain Bolt make a decision on this..... I'm sure he'd do a much better job!
Im afraid that the people in power may not be concerned with the survivability of us the common folks orthe well being of our countries.
What they do however is create a problem ,offer a solution to the problem they`ve created and then act in the way which suits only them .
They have no problems with bombing a country ,pretending that there was a weapon of mass destruction or in this case a use of chemical weapon (don`t even ask where it came from) ,is a major treat and terrorist stronghold.And we can see horrible images on the corporate medias about the poor people , children in tears, mutilated bodies on the street
Its almost the same scenario like in Libya ,another country where the MI6 CIA Mossad ( the Rotshild`s agencies ) infiltrated their operatives as rebels and freedom fighters and as soon as the officials of that country reacts, all cameras are ready ,the news are ready and boom, we see images and read horrific story's about dictators
What they do however is create a problem ,offer a solution to the problem they`ve created and then act in the way which suits only them .
They have no problems with bombing a country ,pretending that there was a weapon of mass destruction or in this case a use of chemical weapon (don`t even ask where it came from) ,is a major treat and terrorist stronghold.And we can see horrible images on the corporate medias about the poor people , children in tears, mutilated bodies on the street
Its almost the same scenario like in Libya ,another country where the MI6 CIA Mossad ( the Rotshild`s agencies ) infiltrated their operatives as rebels and freedom fighters and as soon as the officials of that country reacts, all cameras are ready ,the news are ready and boom, we see images and read horrific story's about dictators
Dedovix: Im afraid that the people in power may not be concerned with the survivability of us the common folks orthe well being of our countries.
What they do however is create a problem ,offer a solution to the problem they`ve created and then act in the way which suits only them .
They have no problems with bombing a country ,pretending that there was a weapon of mass destruction or in this case a use of chemical weapon (don`t even ask where it came from) ,is a major treat and terrorist stronghold.And we can see horrible images on the corporate medias about the poor people , children in tears, mutilated bodies on the street
Its almost the same scenario like in Libya ,another country where the MI6 CIA Mossad ( the Rotshild`s agencies ) infiltrated their operatives as rebels and freedom fighters and as soon as the officials of that country reacts, all cameras are ready ,the news are ready and boom, we see images and read horrific story's about dictators
What they do however is create a problem ,offer a solution to the problem they`ve created and then act in the way which suits only them .
They have no problems with bombing a country ,pretending that there was a weapon of mass destruction or in this case a use of chemical weapon (don`t even ask where it came from) ,is a major treat and terrorist stronghold.And we can see horrible images on the corporate medias about the poor people , children in tears, mutilated bodies on the street
Its almost the same scenario like in Libya ,another country where the MI6 CIA Mossad ( the Rotshild`s agencies ) infiltrated their operatives as rebels and freedom fighters and as soon as the officials of that country reacts, all cameras are ready ,the news are ready and boom, we see images and read horrific story's about dictators
Exactly.
Well can any person stand by while someone's killing loads of kids? but then would a war kill more kids?! Oh the dilemma. 
Should people have stood by and let the Jewish nation be gased and annilated!!? In the world wars? Its our duty to stand up for whats wrong, to stop the local play ground bully isn't it right to stop whats wrong in the world or do we all turn our eyes the other way as longs as its not us until one day it is us and everyone else turns their eyes the other way and we lose hope in humanity.
Just a pity that other more peaceful ways can't be used, that their always has to be the crazy vicious person out their willing to use any means to kill innocent people and create as much suffering as possible leading others into using force to stop them. :( its sad that it takes that to stop them.
Should people have stood by and let the Jewish nation be gased and annilated!!? In the world wars? Its our duty to stand up for whats wrong, to stop the local play ground bully isn't it right to stop whats wrong in the world or do we all turn our eyes the other way as longs as its not us until one day it is us and everyone else turns their eyes the other way and we lose hope in humanity.
Just a pity that other more peaceful ways can't be used, that their always has to be the crazy vicious person out their willing to use any means to kill innocent people and create as much suffering as possible leading others into using force to stop them. :( its sad that it takes that to stop them.
Daffodils123:
Should people have stood by and let the Jewish nation be gased and annilated!!?
Should people have stood by and let the Jewish nation be gased and annilated!!?
Make no mistake... The allies did not intervene in WW2 because of the racial policies of the Germans.... the same way nobody intervened in Darfur. Or Rwanda.
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