No... I don't need to help fund or support drugs. If you can afford drugs, you can afford your own damn needles. Call me cold hearted, but if you don't care about yourself, why should I?
TorlessChristchurch, Canterbury New Zealand1,499 posts
people will always do it, if they end up sick in hsopital, then you will end up paying that cost anyways. so better to prevent the hepatitis and other things that happen. That can spread easily through a community. For example here of recent they have ebgun to immunise toddlers as in one area, they have an outbreak of hepatitis a which is spread fast by toddlers who show no symptoms. Should we walk away from them? they in turn spread it to elderly and rest of community. They have said even immunising this one small town it will take years to eradicate it. The downside of hepatitis is then liver disease with huge costs.
Oregongold: Maybe it should be getting them off drugs and cleaned up, not to keep them hooked. Why do things backwards? I don't feel sorry for drug addicts, its their own damn fault. I wonder if you would be willing to pay for someone to kill themselves.
That's outrageous. Of course I'm not willing to pay for someone to kill themselves, it's to do just the opposite, prevent the spread of diseases of all sorts, especially diseases such as HIV that can kill.
Girljuice: That's outrageous. Of course I'm not willing to pay for someone to kill themselves, it's to do just the opposite, prevent the spread of diseases of all sorts, especially diseases such as HIV that can kill.
Well in a sense, funding needles would be killing them if one overdoses. After all, your tax bucks go towards Abortions from planned parenthood. Nice huh?
Torless: people will always do it, if they end up sick in hsopital, then you will end up paying that cost anyways. so better to prevent the hepatitis and other things that happen. That can spread easily through a community. For example here of recent they have ebgun to immunise toddlers as in one area, they have an outbreak of hepatitis a which is spread fast by toddlers who show no symptoms. Should we walk away from them? they in turn spread it to elderly and rest of community. They have said even immunising this one small town it will take years to eradicate it. The downside of hepatitis is then liver disease with huge costs.
It will slow down the spread of disease so its not a bad idea. A drug user is going to use regardless of having clean needles or not and its much cheaper to provide a clean needle than it is to treat a person with a disease.
StillOfTheNight: It will slow down the spread of disease so its not a bad idea. A drug user is going to use regardless of having clean needles or not and its much cheaper to provide a clean needle than it is to treat a person with a disease.
Oregongold: So your not going to help the addicts get off drugs, but by keeping them on drugs and not get cleaned up. Wouldn't money be more wisely spent on cleaning the system up rather then keeping it dirty? You don't help anyone keeping them addicted. It is like giving a drunk the keys to your car and saying go drive to the liquor store so then you can get bottle. It doesn't help the problem. I knew people who were addicts of heroin, 3 died and 2 hit rock bottom hard enough to quit sad thing was that they had needles supplied to them. Too bad no one wanted to spend the money to clean up the problem. I don't feel sorry for the dopers, only idiots would try heroin, meth etc. Maybe before they get offered needles, they have to get tested and then be REQUIRED to get medical first before their needles. Sound fair to me.
Of course to rehabilitate is the best thing but some people die addicts and are not capable of getting off the drugs.
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
Oregongold: So your not going to help the addicts get off drugs, but by keeping them on drugs and not get cleaned up. Wouldn't money be more wisely spent on cleaning the system up rather then keeping it dirty? You don't help anyone keeping them addicted. It is like giving a drunk the keys to your car and saying go drive to the liquor store so then you can get bottle. It doesn't help the problem. I knew people who were addicts of heroin, 3 died and 2 hit rock bottom hard enough to quit sad thing was that they had needles supplied to them. Too bad no one wanted to spend the money to clean up the problem. I don't feel sorry for the dopers, only idiots would try heroin, meth etc. Maybe before they get offered needles, they have to get tested and then be REQUIRED to get medical first before their needles. Sound fair to me.
You don't 'keep' addicts addicted with needle exchange. Some people are addicted and will remain so until they find their own path out of their addiction.
You don't have to be an idiot to try meth, heroine, etc.. You just need to have very big needs that are not being met elsewhere. I think a lot of substance misuse is about self-medicating in some way.
That might sound odd to you, but I believe addiction is a complex and individual issue.
jac379: You don't 'keep' addicts addicted with needle exchange. Some people are addicted and will remain so until they find their own path out of their addiction.
You don't have to be an idiot to try meth, heroine, etc.. You just need to have very big needs that are not being met elsewhere. I think a lot of substance misuse is about self-medicating in some way.
That might sound odd to you, but I believe addiction is a complex and individual issue.
Oregongold: So your not going to help the addicts get off drugs, but by keeping them on drugs and not get cleaned up. Wouldn't money be more wisely spent on cleaning the system up rather then keeping it dirty? You don't help anyone keeping them addicted. It is like giving a drunk the keys to your car and saying go drive to the liquor store so then you can get bottle. It doesn't help the problem. I knew people who were addicts of heroin, 3 died and 2 hit rock bottom hard enough to quit sad thing was that they had needles supplied to them. Too bad no one wanted to spend the money to clean up the problem. I don't feel sorry for the dopers, only idiots would try heroin, meth etc. Maybe before they get offered needles, they have to get tested and then be REQUIRED to get medical first before their needles. Sound fair to me.
Such encouraging words... must be tough being so self righteous..
"The only thing that sustains one through life is the consciousness of the immense inferiority of everybody else, and this is a feeling that I have always cultivated." ~OSCAR WILDE, The Remarkable Rocket
@ Oregongold The needle exchange program works well here. It's not about feeding their drug habit, it's about making sure they're doing it in a safe place, that they are being responsible with not sharing needles that spread disease and making sure they don't OD/die. Tons of lives have been saved with this program. Along with it they also offer a rehab program to help get you off drugs.
It is the first safe injection site in North America and since it opened it has lowered the spread of HIV and has reduced other harmful consequences of IV drugs use considerably.
Girljuice: If it helps reduce the chances of contracting something, yes.
a friend of mine works in a social institution, giving out needles and medications. It is a great success, the number of infected ppl. is going constantly backwards.
bohemianjack: Such encouraging words... must be tough being so self righteous.. "The only thing that sustains one through life is the consciousness of the immense inferiority of everybody else, and this is a feeling that I have always cultivated." ~OSCAR WILDE, The Remarkable Rocket
musicfreak: @ Oregongold The needle exchange program works well here. It's not about feeding their drug habit, it's about making sure they're doing it in a safe place, that they are being responsible with not sharing needles that spread disease and making sure they don't OD/die. Tons of lives have been saved with this program. Along with it they also offer a rehab program to help get you off drugs.
It is the first safe injection site in North America and since it opened it has lowered the spread of HIV and has reduced other harmful consequences of IV drugs use considerably.
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