peachmelba: It's the system inside the jails that fail to offer any kind if good rehabilitation programmes for prisoners and there are no programmes to support prisoners who do seem genuinely rehabilitated to adjust to life on the outside and ex cons find it difficult to gain employment and so they resort to what they know best , Can't generalise all murderers ,,some may appear rehabilitated to be released to read end again, The picture isn't always black and white, Oscar pistorious if released could very easily murder again.
I agree. But if i look at the scenario's. 1) Druggy man gets angry, his wife screams and hides, he gets a gun and schoots through the wall. 2) Or Druggy man wakes up, gets scared, looks quietly for gun and shoots through wall. I find it highly unlikely he planned this.
With both stories i find it hard to accept let him rot in prison. but where do we get tomorrow? He is never innocent, either way. As soon as you shoot, someone can get killed and death is quite definite.
So i first start with saying: i have a problem with lockup. Then second in this case, i see less benefit with jail. Let him pay and compensate/ but sitting between walls might not be a good way. He can do more. Take something else and maybe let him give something more? Maybe you'll get the truth easier out of him if the difference is not 10 years or 10 months. I would lie for the 10 months, under any circumstances.
Catfoot: That is exactly what has been happening here. Jail seems to be the apprentice school for criminals.
yea it looks like a similar problem exists in ireland to. i know a retired parole officer. he has informed me that irelands rehabilitation rate for criminals is about 40%. it seems like hes impressed with this figure but i feel theres something really wrong with it. going by this, 60% reoffend. hmmm not good in my world. he said the system fails when criminals are released as they have little or no support thereafter, therefore most fall back into the worlds they existed in before jail. he also said some criminals just cant be rehabilitated no matter what money or resources you throw at them. its a complicated problem and it looks like no country has truly learned how to deal with it properly. we obviously need to protect ourselves from criminals but we need to learn how to truly deal with this problem
serene56: Yet again it's a case of 'money talks' Was thinking the other day about all the publicity surrounding transgender Caitlyn (Bruce) Jenner...Yet we never heard what happened about the driving incident he was involved with a little while back when he ran into a vehicle resulting in the death of the occupant
It is covered by the media still. It seems, there are papers filed. I am not sure if it will settled out of court.
peachmelba: I think all reeva s family really want is for him to tell the truth .
They say the truth will set you free,,
Power money fame means nothing compared to a peaceful mind.
I get that, it would be more for Oscar to learn a good lesson in life, than to be helping Reeva's family. I understand the money is nowhere near compensation, nothing could ever be. But, I still insist that taking him down to the level of the hard-working, low-paid, stuggling-always- having to economize blue collar folks, would do that spoiled rich snot a world of good. Nothing screams louder than the old do- re- mi, or the lack of it, for that matter. Bringing him to the rock hard line would be for him, no one else. He needs to learn what it is like to have to work extremely hard for the basics. That's the ticket, and the ONLY reason I would agree, if it were up to me, to let him out. And, he would have to be monitored for the rest of his life. Period. Frequently, tirelessly, unyieldingly. There HAS to be both a public statement, and a private consequence. Make him a poor man forever. Yes, I am serious.
rohaan: I get that, it would be more for Oscar to learn a good lesson in life, than to be helping Reeva's family. I understand the money is nowhere near compensation, nothing could ever be. But, I still insist that taking him down to the level of the hard-working, low-paid, stuggling-always- having to economize blue collar folks, would do that spoiled rich snot a world of good. Nothing screams louder than the old do- re- mi, or the lack of it, for that matter. Bringing him to the rock hard line would be for him, no one else. He needs to learn what it is like to have to work extremely hard for the basics. That's the ticket, and the ONLY reason I would agree, if it were up to me, to let him out. And, he would have to be monitored for the rest of his life. Period. Frequently, tirelessly, unyieldingly. There HAS to be both a public statement, and a private consequence. Make him a poor man forever. Yes, I am serious.
Yes I agree ,somewhere along the line fame and power went to his head and he thought he was invisable.
I also think he suffers huge insecurities too and together with his ego as blade runner along with his obsession for guns led to reeva being shot not just once but a couple times,
A justice system dosnt always offer justice for the victim and families especially when powers that be are at force especially when the dependent is or was an iconic figure with lots clout as they say,
Len05: I wonder what benefit there is in a prison sentence. You can punish people better than to lock them up. Especially in a dubious case like this.
Come on society give him a good punishment. Give him a tattoo on the forehead like 'i shot the gun that killed my girlfriend' make him take bloodtests for amfetemines, give him therapy for anger and to process this. Impose a 10percent income tax to benefit a fund against victims.
But nobody wins with jail time.
What's dubious in this case, he hunted her down, never once asking where she was because he knew where she was and then blasted her to bits with a shot gun, because he's a spoiled brat used to getting his own way and she was going to leave him, there's no other explanation,,
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Can't generalise all murderers ,,some may appear rehabilitated to be released to read end again,
The picture isn't always black and white,
Oscar pistorious if released could very easily murder again.
I agree.
But if i look at the scenario's.
1) Druggy man gets angry, his wife screams and hides, he gets a gun and schoots through the wall.
2) Or Druggy man wakes up, gets scared, looks quietly for gun and shoots through wall.
I find it highly unlikely he planned this.
With both stories i find it hard to accept let him rot in prison.
but where do we get tomorrow?
He is never innocent, either way.
As soon as you shoot, someone can get killed and death is quite definite.
So i first start with saying: i have a problem with lockup.
Then second in this case, i see less benefit with jail.
Let him pay and compensate/ but sitting between walls might not be a good way. He can do more.
Take something else and maybe let him give something more?
Maybe you'll get the truth easier out of him if the difference is not 10 years or 10 months. I would lie for the 10 months, under any circumstances.