WILL OBAMA FIX THIS ECONOMY? (191)
Fallingman: By the way....for the moment in the wake of the election result, what you call "the far left" is about 53 percent of the US electorate.
No there were a number of mid road DEMs that voted for Obama. Most
consider the far left here to be about 15% of the electorate. The far right smaller is than that...about 7.5%. But my data is aged.
So might be different today.
If you took a bell shaped curve over the American electorate...it be would eschewed to the left and maybe with this election shifted to the left.
I have said it in the past, Fallingman, I don't have a problem with one individual far lefter. Just when you get a lot of them in one place, they do strange things.
WhatUwish4: Then perhaps we have earned this fate by being allowing ourselves to become a driveby society of individuals
Maybe this is what the present American majority wants after all. Is it possible we are so mired in dull-witted complacency that we don't care what liberties we sacrifice as long as it means less work?
Maybe this is what the present American majority wants after all. Is it possible we are so mired in dull-witted complacency that we don't care what liberties we sacrifice as long as it means less work?
I know that feeling well, wondering about the complacency in, what seems has, an overwhelming majority. 65 million Obama votes to McCain's 57 million appears to reflect an 8 million number of citizens making Obama, the democrats, speaking for the majority.
Of that majority are just some of those guaranteed votes for the democrat party. Of the below 55 million voters which party guarantees their needed relevence, and prosperity. While I know most of the 20+ million receiving entitlements deserve them, for what they have done for this nation, they are used by the left, the democrats, to scare, and secure their votes. So below you view the majority of America, various proportions within the whole, claiming to be speaking the voice of the whole.
-our nation’s 4.6 million federal employees, retirees and survivors
-more then 20 million Americans receiving entitlements
-685,000 career employees. postal workers
-18.3 Million members in labor unions nationwide
-4.2 million members Move-on.org
-1.3 million members Sierra club
-5 million members World Wildlife Fund
-1.2 million members Natural Resources Defense Council
WhatUwish4: We really need a "FingersCrossed" emoticon!
I think they would shoot my plane down, don't you?
I think they would shoot my plane down, don't you?
NO, we're gonna agree to disagree - just to disagree with you because you are doing the same damn-it !
jvaski: NO, we're gonna agree to disagree - just to disagree with you because you are doing the same damn-it !
HUH?
WhatUwish4: HUH?
What I meant was - we agree with some of the repub's ideas, but we're not gonna admit it till the repub's get off their pity party soap box !
Ohhh,,, THIS should get some action goin
jvaski: What I meant was - we agree with some of the repub's ideas, but we're not gonna admit it till the repub's get off their pity party soap box ! Ohhh,,, THIS should get some action goin
Juan, Juan, Juan....
It seems there's no limit to what you will do to get some action!
WhatUwish4: Juan, Juan, Juan....
It seems there's no limit to what you will do to get some action!
It seems there's no limit to what you will do to get some action!
No, not me ........... C'mon ....
jvaski: No, not me ........... C'mon ....
Shhhh....I'm in my "Peace, Love, Dove" disguise, remember? So I can sneak into California and get some of that stuff handed to me on a plate?
WhatUwish4: Shhhh....I'm in my "Peace, Love, Dove" disguise, remember? So I can sneak into California and get some of that stuff handed to me on a plate?
You're not going to comment on the accusation of Rush being a "poisonous toad" either ?
Oh Karen, you're losing your reputation rapidly now ....
jvaski: You're not going to comment on the accusation of Rush being a "poisonous toad" either ?
Oh Karen, you're losing your reputation rapidly now ....
Oh Karen, you're losing your reputation rapidly now ....
Why should I when I tend to agree??? Just because I hate what is going on now doesn't mean that I can only see one side of the picture!
WhatUwish4: Why should I when I tend to agree??? Just because I hate what is going on now doesn't mean that I can only see one side of the picture!
Oh, So you do see that it was time for a change, and democrat majority .......... Good !
C-mon ......... C'mon .....
jvaski: C-mon ......... C'mon .....
Peace, Love, Dove, honey...
(Driving you crazy isn't it???)
jvaski: You're not going to comment on the accusation of Rush being a "poisonous toad" either ?
Oh Karen, you're losing your reputation rapidly now ....
Oh Karen, you're losing your reputation rapidly now ....
My reputation?
And I care because??????
Looks like there is a group of Senators...of both parties...that is organizing to 'sabotage the house passes bailout' package.
The far left, like Move On.Org (a strong supporter of the bailout
package) is one of the prime groups that is attacking those resist that bailout package. Funded by George Soros, Move On.Org made the attack on R. Limbaugh and associated the REP and DEM voting against
bill.
Gee the REP voted as a block....over the last 8 years....the DEMs
never voted as a block? OH yes they did! Check the voting records of critical votes in Congress. Party block voting was the norm, not the exception.
So all of a sudden, with President Obama in office, party block voting is going to ruin the country?
With 65% of the country against the bailout, just maybe those congressmen that voted against it....voted to represent their constiuentants that placed them into office. Which is saying more than the DEM that voted the bailout thru. They either have been scared to vote their consciences on this by the George Soros/far left machine. Or they are so enamored by the President Obama and his support of the bailout that they stopped listening to the people back home.
The people back home...in two years get to vote on these deaf DEM congressmen...as they see inflation taking the rest of their retirements...as they see raising prices across the board...
as they see businesses being pressed out existance by this.
The people back home...will remember it was the DEMs that did this.
Talk of being out of touch with reality and what main road America wants.....it must be what happens when a DEM sits down in Congress the first time. Nancy Polosi pushes a little button that send a electrical shock to them and it freezes their capacity to think for rest of their term.
I suggest that unless you like the idea of $830b in bailout for the likes of groups like ACORN...contact this forming group of Senators and support them.
PS. President Obama just sent a request to the Joint Chiefs...to reduce DoD budget for next year by at least 10%. He also wants the withdrawal from Iraq, wants a force deployment to Afghanistan (all cost money). All the time saying that the returning vet..either disabled or not...is going to get more Federal Government benefits.
The far left, like Move On.Org (a strong supporter of the bailout
package) is one of the prime groups that is attacking those resist that bailout package. Funded by George Soros, Move On.Org made the attack on R. Limbaugh and associated the REP and DEM voting against
bill.
Gee the REP voted as a block....over the last 8 years....the DEMs
never voted as a block? OH yes they did! Check the voting records of critical votes in Congress. Party block voting was the norm, not the exception.
So all of a sudden, with President Obama in office, party block voting is going to ruin the country?
With 65% of the country against the bailout, just maybe those congressmen that voted against it....voted to represent their constiuentants that placed them into office. Which is saying more than the DEM that voted the bailout thru. They either have been scared to vote their consciences on this by the George Soros/far left machine. Or they are so enamored by the President Obama and his support of the bailout that they stopped listening to the people back home.
The people back home...in two years get to vote on these deaf DEM congressmen...as they see inflation taking the rest of their retirements...as they see raising prices across the board...
as they see businesses being pressed out existance by this.
The people back home...will remember it was the DEMs that did this.
Talk of being out of touch with reality and what main road America wants.....it must be what happens when a DEM sits down in Congress the first time. Nancy Polosi pushes a little button that send a electrical shock to them and it freezes their capacity to think for rest of their term.
I suggest that unless you like the idea of $830b in bailout for the likes of groups like ACORN...contact this forming group of Senators and support them.
PS. President Obama just sent a request to the Joint Chiefs...to reduce DoD budget for next year by at least 10%. He also wants the withdrawal from Iraq, wants a force deployment to Afghanistan (all cost money). All the time saying that the returning vet..either disabled or not...is going to get more Federal Government benefits.
ttom500: I suggest that unless you like the idea of $830b in bailout for the likes of groups like ACORN...contact this forming group of Senators and support them.
I'm not for bailouts, but I'd rather see the money go to NPO's than incompetent bankers. Not specifically ACORN mind you, but there's no harm in the money going to grass-roots rather than the elite.
ttom500: PS. President Obama just sent a request to the Joint Chiefs...to reduce DoD budget for next year by at least 10%. He also wants the withdrawal from Iraq, wants a force deployment to Afghanistan (all cost money). All the time saying that the returning vet..either disabled or not...is going to get more Federal Government benefits.
If anyone should get socialized care its veterans. Not many people think our soldiers fight for freedom anymore, but regardless of whether they do or not, they fight for America, and should have a state in personal security for their sacrifice.
Trading an incompetent commander-in-chief for an inexperienced one isn't so bad. Inexperience can be cured by time.
Incomtetence, like stupid, is forever.
Bush won the war (snicker) and declared "victory".
Maybe Obama can win the "peace" and declare "victory" as well. Only time will tell.
ATLANTA (Reuters) - Republicans in Congress may be playing a high-risk game by flexing their muscles and snubbing a popular new U.S. president who very publicly sought their support....
"The minority party is ... searching for ways to be relevant and maybe this is a way for them to do it," said Phil Smith, political director of the Concord Coalition, a non-partisan organization that promotes fiscal responsibility.
In doing so, they acknowledge a short-term risk. Obama's popularity is high and a Pew Research Center poll shows the economy is the dominant issue for voters....
Complicating matters is a feeling among some conservatives they squandered their reputation for being careful with public finances under President George W. Bush, Obama's predecessor for eight years that ended on January 20.
Many Republicans believe that although Bush cut taxes, he violated the twin party goals of small government and restrained spending.
Democrats are quick to say Republican lawmakers played a leading role in the shift to big spending since after all they controlled Congress for six of the eight years Bush held office.
"Republicans failed to stick to their principles while in office," said Kelly McCutchen, vice president of the Georgia Public Policy Foundation, an independent think tank that promotes limited government and economic freedom.
Conservatives argue their hard line on the economic stimulus bill is an opportunity to return to the principles that underpinned their electoral success....
Political science professor Cal Jillson said the party was in a state of "ideological confusion".
"There is a debate about whether their future is in returning to the principles of small government, low taxes and military strength ... or to try to reconfigure the party for the coming decades... (as) a more moderate party," said Jillson of Southern Methodist University in Texas.
As evidence, he cited the range of opinions among Republican governors over the economic stimulus plans....
ttom500 "PS. President Obama just sent a request to the Joint Chiefs...to reduce DoD budget for next year by at least 10%. He also wants the withdrawal from Iraq, wants a force deployment to Afghanistan (all cost money). All the time saying that the returning vet..either disabled or not...is going to get more Federal Government benefits."
To the above quote is Galactic's response, and being a 'nam vet myself, permanently disabled, I can tell you the VA has been very good to me, and my needs have been met, when requested. Your statement below is complete rubbish, to the main point of ttom500's statement. The main point of it being, a 10 percent reduction, or about 55 billion dollars, taken away with reflections of that, which the Clinton administration did, when balancing our budgets on the backs of those who protect us. Watch closely Galactic, soon you will here Obama make cuts in the intelligence agencies, and after that, a head in the sands America. The sand in your eyes, and ears, will not cover the sounds, and sights to come of this "inexperienced" Obama theorocracy. Time will cure it, but the medicine will leave an awful taste in Americas mouth.
If anyone should get socialized care its veterans. Not many people think our soldiers fight for freedom anymore, but regardless of whether they do or not, they fight for America, and should have a state in personal security for their sacrifice.
Trading an incompetent commander-in-chief for an inexperienced one isn't so bad. Inexperience can be cured by time.
quote]
To the above quote is Galactic's response, and being a 'nam vet myself, permanently disabled, I can tell you the VA has been very good to me, and my needs have been met, when requested. Your statement below is complete rubbish, to the main point of ttom500's statement. The main point of it being, a 10 percent reduction, or about 55 billion dollars, taken away with reflections of that, which the Clinton administration did, when balancing our budgets on the backs of those who protect us. Watch closely Galactic, soon you will here Obama make cuts in the intelligence agencies, and after that, a head in the sands America. The sand in your eyes, and ears, will not cover the sounds, and sights to come of this "inexperienced" Obama theorocracy. Time will cure it, but the medicine will leave an awful taste in Americas mouth.
If anyone should get socialized care its veterans. Not many people think our soldiers fight for freedom anymore, but regardless of whether they do or not, they fight for America, and should have a state in personal security for their sacrifice.
Trading an incompetent commander-in-chief for an inexperienced one isn't so bad. Inexperience can be cured by time.
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Well maybe .....but with DEM opinion of the world like Senator Levin (Dem MI) I am not so sure. Follow this a little Ghalatic Bhodie.
Senator Levin feels that the Russians are ready to jointly go into a missile defense program with us in Europe to keep Iranian missiles from Europe.
The history is this for Senator Levin. The missile that Iran would launch at Europe...come from Russia or are made in Iran from Russian technology. Then you have Defense Sectretary Gates and Secretary of State that went to Russia...specifically to discuss this issue for 5 days....and the Russians booted them out in 3 days.
Then you have the Georigan war, started perhaps by the Russian in part over the anti ballistic missile program being set up in Europe and not wishing to see it spread to Georgia. Then you have Russia via Medlev and Putin saying for the last 2 years they consider the European basing of these missile a threat to them. And threatening the countries that they are based in with military operations.
But Senator Liven sees it differently. Feels that Russia is now ready to reverse course....bow to diplomatic skills of President Obama and Sect of State Clinton. Man the anti ballistic missile sites in eastern Europe with Americans against the rogue nation of Iran and it nuclear threat to Europe.
Only Senator Levin forgets if Iran gets a nuclear device...the nuclear materials for it could have come from the nuclear reactor that Russia helped to build in Iran. It is likely a device design from the North Koreas, who like got the design from the Russian.
Yes, Russia will place its troops under a nuclear device made with Russian technology of a Russian design. Senator Levin is so out of touch on this issue, it is scary.
But ah yes...there nothing like wishful thinking.
Senator Levin feels that the Russians are ready to jointly go into a missile defense program with us in Europe to keep Iranian missiles from Europe.
The history is this for Senator Levin. The missile that Iran would launch at Europe...come from Russia or are made in Iran from Russian technology. Then you have Defense Sectretary Gates and Secretary of State that went to Russia...specifically to discuss this issue for 5 days....and the Russians booted them out in 3 days.
Then you have the Georigan war, started perhaps by the Russian in part over the anti ballistic missile program being set up in Europe and not wishing to see it spread to Georgia. Then you have Russia via Medlev and Putin saying for the last 2 years they consider the European basing of these missile a threat to them. And threatening the countries that they are based in with military operations.
But Senator Liven sees it differently. Feels that Russia is now ready to reverse course....bow to diplomatic skills of President Obama and Sect of State Clinton. Man the anti ballistic missile sites in eastern Europe with Americans against the rogue nation of Iran and it nuclear threat to Europe.
Only Senator Levin forgets if Iran gets a nuclear device...the nuclear materials for it could have come from the nuclear reactor that Russia helped to build in Iran. It is likely a device design from the North Koreas, who like got the design from the Russian.
Yes, Russia will place its troops under a nuclear device made with Russian technology of a Russian design. Senator Levin is so out of touch on this issue, it is scary.
But ah yes...there nothing like wishful thinking.
--- perhaps , minus the cigar
You folks don't get it do you the economic rises and lowerins are not accidental.
The people who are in power expect the cycles and use the lows to aquiere more assets.
They need the downturns,
they just make you people **think** they want to fix it.
things will pick up in 2 years.
The people who are in power expect the cycles and use the lows to aquiere more assets.
They need the downturns,
they just make you people **think** they want to fix it.
things will pick up in 2 years.
"The people back home...in two years get to vote on these deaf DEM congressmen...as they see inflation taking the rest of their retirements...as they see raising prices across the board...
as they see businesses being pressed out existance by this.
The people back home...will remember it was the DEMs that did this.
Talk of being out of touch with reality and what main road America wants.....it must be what happens when a DEM sits down in Congress the first time. Nancy Polosi pushes a little button that send a electrical shock to them and it freezes their capacity to think for rest of their term."
Oh the DEMs did this , and the DEMs did that ..... yadda yadda yadda ..........Nancy Pelosi did this and that, and the DEMs are at fault for the whole world's problems .... and on and on and on and on ...........
Hey, why don't ya go get on some headphones and crack a beer and put on Rush and play with yourself ..........
We're all pretty sick of all the loser republican's whining
The election is over bud - get over it !
as they see businesses being pressed out existance by this.
The people back home...will remember it was the DEMs that did this.
Talk of being out of touch with reality and what main road America wants.....it must be what happens when a DEM sits down in Congress the first time. Nancy Polosi pushes a little button that send a electrical shock to them and it freezes their capacity to think for rest of their term."
Oh the DEMs did this , and the DEMs did that ..... yadda yadda yadda ..........Nancy Pelosi did this and that, and the DEMs are at fault for the whole world's problems .... and on and on and on and on ...........
Hey, why don't ya go get on some headphones and crack a beer and put on Rush and play with yourself ..........
We're all pretty sick of all the loser republican's whining
The election is over bud - get over it !
ttom500: Well maybe .....but with DEM opinion of the world like Senator Levin (Dem MI) I am not so sure. Follow this a little Ghalatic Bhodie.
Senator Levin feels that the Russians are ready to jointly go into a missile defense program with us in Europe to keep Iranian missiles from Europe.
The history is this for Senator Levin. The missile that Iran would launch at Europe...come from Russia or are made in Iran from Russian technology. Then you have Defense Sectretary Gates and Secretary of State that went to Russia...specifically to discuss this issue for 5 days....and the Russians booted them out in 3 days.
Then you have the Georigan war, started perhaps by the Russian in part over the anti ballistic missile program being set up in Europe and not wishing to see it spread to Georgia. Then you have Russia via Medlev and Putin saying for the last 2 years they consider the European basing of these missile a threat to them. And threatening the countries that they are based in with military operations.
But Senator Liven sees it differently. Feels that Russia is now ready to reverse course....bow to diplomatic skills of President Obama and Sect of State Clinton. Man the anti ballistic missile sites in eastern Europe with Americans against the rogue nation of Iran and it nuclear threat to Europe.
Only Senator Levin forgets if Iran gets a nuclear device...the nuclear materials for it could have come from the nuclear reactor that Russia helped to build in Iran. It is likely a device design from the North Koreas, who like got the design from the Russian.
Yes, Russia will place its troops under a nuclear device made with Russian technology of a Russian design. Senator Levin is so out of touch on this issue, it is scary.
But ah yes...there nothing like wishful thinking.
Senator Levin feels that the Russians are ready to jointly go into a missile defense program with us in Europe to keep Iranian missiles from Europe.
The history is this for Senator Levin. The missile that Iran would launch at Europe...come from Russia or are made in Iran from Russian technology. Then you have Defense Sectretary Gates and Secretary of State that went to Russia...specifically to discuss this issue for 5 days....and the Russians booted them out in 3 days.
Then you have the Georigan war, started perhaps by the Russian in part over the anti ballistic missile program being set up in Europe and not wishing to see it spread to Georgia. Then you have Russia via Medlev and Putin saying for the last 2 years they consider the European basing of these missile a threat to them. And threatening the countries that they are based in with military operations.
But Senator Liven sees it differently. Feels that Russia is now ready to reverse course....bow to diplomatic skills of President Obama and Sect of State Clinton. Man the anti ballistic missile sites in eastern Europe with Americans against the rogue nation of Iran and it nuclear threat to Europe.
Only Senator Levin forgets if Iran gets a nuclear device...the nuclear materials for it could have come from the nuclear reactor that Russia helped to build in Iran. It is likely a device design from the North Koreas, who like got the design from the Russian.
Yes, Russia will place its troops under a nuclear device made with Russian technology of a Russian design. Senator Levin is so out of touch on this issue, it is scary.
But ah yes...there nothing like wishful thinking.
I'm in complete agreement that the bear never died. It's only been hibernating. Russia (in the old Soviet sense) is, and always will be, a threat to American interests. To think they ever stopped being a super-power is to ignore their very long history of preference toward despotic governments.
wahrheit: You folks don't get it do you the economic rises and lowerins are not accidental.
The people who are in power expect the cycles and use the lows to aquiere more assets.
They need the downturns,
they just make you people **think** they want to fix it.
things will pick up in 2 years.
The people who are in power expect the cycles and use the lows to aquiere more assets.
They need the downturns,
they just make you people **think** they want to fix it.
things will pick up in 2 years.
Ooooo looks like the Dems and Reps just got lumped together.
Don't worry Tom, it'll wash off, mostly.
(pssst The Devil is in the Details not the Dems
)wahrheit: You folks don't get it do you the economic rises and lowerins are not accidental.
The people who are in power expect the cycles and use the lows to aquiere more assets.
They need the downturns,
they just make you people **think** they want to fix it.
things will pick up in 2 years.
The people who are in power expect the cycles and use the lows to aquiere more assets.
They need the downturns,
they just make you people **think** they want to fix it.
things will pick up in 2 years.
Oh please spare us.
The Us Corporations and the Zionists created the Ossetia war, even the US right admits the Russinas were not to blame.
germany has long determined that these are oil games between the US and Putin.
sadly the US population is hoodwinked about this. 80% of germans believe that the USA started this for economic reasons acording to a poll in der spiegel.
The US put tons of pressure on Greece trying to get greece to *not* build a pipeline with Russia...gee i wonder why?
Give it 15 more years and Russia will be in the EU.
Then it is over for the American Empire.
The Us Corporations and the Zionists created the Ossetia war, even the US right admits the Russinas were not to blame.
germany has long determined that these are oil games between the US and Putin.
sadly the US population is hoodwinked about this. 80% of germans believe that the USA started this for economic reasons acording to a poll in der spiegel.
The US put tons of pressure on Greece trying to get greece to *not* build a pipeline with Russia...gee i wonder why?
Give it 15 more years and Russia will be in the EU.
Then it is over for the American Empire.
Abram: ttom500 "PS. President Obama just sent a request to the Joint Chiefs...to reduce DoD budget for next year by at least 10%. He also wants the withdrawal from Iraq, wants a force deployment to Afghanistan (all cost money). All the time saying that the returning vet..either disabled or not...is going to get more Federal Government benefits."
To the above quote is Galactic's response, and being a 'nam vet myself, permanently disabled, I can tell you the VA has been very good to me, and my needs have been met, when requested. Your statement below is complete rubbish, to the main point of ttom500's statement. The main point of it being, a 10 percent reduction, or about 55 billion dollars, taken away with reflections of that, which the Clinton administration did, when balancing our budgets on the backs of those who protect us. Watch closely Galactic, soon you will here Obama make cuts in the intelligence agencies, and after that, a head in the sands America. The sand in your eyes, and ears, will not cover the sounds, and sights to come of this "inexperienced" Obama theorocracy. Time will cure it, but the medicine will leave an awful taste in Americas mouth.
If anyone should get socialized care its veterans. Not many people think our soldiers fight for freedom anymore, but regardless of whether they do or not, they fight for America, and should have a state in personal security for their sacrifice.
Trading an incompetent commander-in-chief for an inexperienced one isn't so bad. Inexperience can be cured by time.
quote]
To the above quote is Galactic's response, and being a 'nam vet myself, permanently disabled, I can tell you the VA has been very good to me, and my needs have been met, when requested. Your statement below is complete rubbish, to the main point of ttom500's statement. The main point of it being, a 10 percent reduction, or about 55 billion dollars, taken away with reflections of that, which the Clinton administration did, when balancing our budgets on the backs of those who protect us. Watch closely Galactic, soon you will here Obama make cuts in the intelligence agencies, and after that, a head in the sands America. The sand in your eyes, and ears, will not cover the sounds, and sights to come of this "inexperienced" Obama theorocracy. Time will cure it, but the medicine will leave an awful taste in Americas mouth.
If anyone should get socialized care its veterans. Not many people think our soldiers fight for freedom anymore, but regardless of whether they do or not, they fight for America, and should have a state in personal security for their sacrifice.
Trading an incompetent commander-in-chief for an inexperienced one isn't so bad. Inexperience can be cured by time.
quote]
I agree with your incrase of benefits for the vets. But on incompetent commander in chief comment....Senator McCain wouldnot have been an incompetent commander in chief. And fighting for a inexperienced one (who is getting advice from DEM like Senator Levin) is only bad if he places you into a no win, poorly missioned, no support position.
Afghanistan has all the potential for just that. A no win (cannot get to the terrorists in Paksitani tribal areas), poorly missioned (chasing bin Laden that we lost contact with 5 years ago), no support (Taliban are cutting the supply routes into AFghan inside Pakistan presently). Only a inexpereinced Commander in Chief will fall for such a trap that is being laid in today's Afghanistan. jmo
If The USSR, with its draconian style could not "Conquer" the afghani tribalists, the USA 8000 miles away is not going to be able to do it. USSR had 200,000 troops in Afghanistan.
The US wants afgahanistan for the same reasons the USSR did. access Oil resources via pipelines. The day someone decides to supply the insurgents with advanced surface to air weapons, (It could be China, Russia France, Germany Spain, Sweden or anyone else who has the technology to do it), the helicopter based strategy will no longer be an option. tanks are useless in mountains. that leaves you with infantry. Wich leaves you with casualties.
There is no winning there. and winning for whom? oil companies?
The US wants afgahanistan for the same reasons the USSR did. access Oil resources via pipelines. The day someone decides to supply the insurgents with advanced surface to air weapons, (It could be China, Russia France, Germany Spain, Sweden or anyone else who has the technology to do it), the helicopter based strategy will no longer be an option. tanks are useless in mountains. that leaves you with infantry. Wich leaves you with casualties.
There is no winning there. and winning for whom? oil companies?
ttom500: I agree with your incrase of benefits for the vets. But on incompetent commander in chief comment....Senator McCain wouldnot have been an incompetent commander in chief. And fighting for a inexperienced one (who is getting advice from DEM like Senator Levin) is only bad if he places you into a no win, poorly missioned, no support position.
Afghanistan has all the potential for just that. A no win (cannot get to the terrorists in Paksitani tribal areas), poorly missioned (chasing bin Laden that we lost contact with 5 years ago), no support (Taliban are cutting the supply routes into AFghan inside Pakistan presently). Only a inexpereinced Commander in Chief will fall for such a trap that is being laid in today's Afghanistan. jmo
Afghanistan has all the potential for just that. A no win (cannot get to the terrorists in Paksitani tribal areas), poorly missioned (chasing bin Laden that we lost contact with 5 years ago), no support (Taliban are cutting the supply routes into AFghan inside Pakistan presently). Only a inexpereinced Commander in Chief will fall for such a trap that is being laid in today's Afghanistan. jmo
McCain would not have born up under the strain, and we'd have Palin riding through Afghanistan on a dinosaur. And we all know how much of an expert she is on Russia. She lives real close...
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The problem with him is not the policies he endorses or denigrates. It is the poisonous hateful way he exploits and creates division.
I think it would be grossly flattering to this parasite to compare him to George Bush, elected President of the United States just because Obama name-checked him in a reference to the wing of the Republican party that thinks negatively.
I suspect that in your heart Tom you agree with at least some of this!
That is the point, Fallingman. Rush Limbaugh is just voice or an opinion in massive country of 300m. Every one has one, none unless elected to power is more than anothers.
Yet here the DEMs are making a well known but out power individual their target. All Rush Limbaugh is a Ameiran in the media industry....a commentator over the airwaves. Call him what you might...(e.g. parasite and poisonous toad))...he is still an American and a human being. He does not deserve the treatment.
President Obama has a chance to end the venom in the country.
He needs to start now, or it will only get worse from here.
I know these political ads were done by a support group of the DEM party....not from any office of elected DEMs. But if those elected leaders cannot get their own supporters to end this silly game of focal point attacks.....after winning a Presidential election....why trust them with some really big things that are facing the country? That are much bigger than any one individual?
I remember the Pastor Wright controversy at this point. How heacted there. To walk the balance beam of personal friendship and hateful words. I may be wrong, but I doubt he will try to put an end to it.