Obama Rocks! Some positive signs in american economy already! (811)
drivenbysound: So you feel by staying the course we're currently on is the direction the country will be better served?
How would this solve the problems of the U.S. today?
How would this solve the problems of the U.S. today?
I think people need to learn to be responsible for themselves first. Not dependent on the Government. Thats how I have survived!!!
Justme4uok: Well I have no complaints from the past 8 years!
Guess it all depends on the affects the last eight years have had on you!!
Guess it all depends on the affects the last eight years have had on you!!
More of the same will only drive us further from the positive progress most Americans would like to see.
drivenbysound: Would you rather us stay on the same course as per the last 8 years?
Your question implies it has to be one or the other. It also implies that "history" is determined from one president to the next and not over the course of several administrations. Surely you're not THAT narrow minded????
Certainly I could find many things to criticize about the Bush era. He made mistakes but he also kept us safe. Obama, on the other hand, has already done more HARM to this country than we can possibly manage in this lifetime.
If I had to make a choice, it would be an easy one.
Conrad73: It is amazing how often the "Last Eight Years" are being brought up to justify the transformation of the USA into the USRA.(United Socialist Republics of Amerika)
About as far from the Constitution,probably further that the last eight years were!
About as far from the Constitution,probably further that the last eight years were!
The founding fathers of America were against making policies based on religious influence. The Republicans base their ideology on there beliefs in God..which is going against the grain of the original intent.
Justme4uok: I think people need to learn to be responsible for themselves first. Not dependent on the Government. Thats how I have survived!!!
I understand this, and I applaud you..but what about those that whose circumstances were/are as such that their situation is out of their control?
And please don't say that it is something that everyone can change if they only had the fortitude and determination to do so. It just doesn't work that way for everyone.
WhatUwish4: Your question implies it has to be one or the other. It also implies that "history" is determined from one president to the next and not over the course of several administrations. Surely you're not THAT narrow minded????
Certainly I could find many things to criticize about the Bush era. He made mistakes but he also kept us safe. Obama, on the other hand, has already done more HARM to this country than we can possibly manage in this lifetime.
If I had to make a choice, it would be an easy one.
Certainly I could find many things to criticize about the Bush era. He made mistakes but he also kept us safe. Obama, on the other hand, has already done more HARM to this country than we can possibly manage in this lifetime.
If I had to make a choice, it would be an easy one.
All I can say, is give him a fighting chance. Keep in mind that it is still very early in Obama's Presidency.
Results takes times..and change is sometimes slow to come.
Don't be so impatient, woman.
drivenbysound: Would you rather us stay on the same course as per the last 8 years?
You mean that course that only saw one major terror attack in 8 years. Spending 1/3 of the Obama's adminstration. Growth in certain segments of the economy. A stock market that is nearly 1/3 greater than today. A country with three major auto firms. Banks without gov't ownership.
Not sure, Driven.....but GWB is starting to sound a lot better.
ttom500: You mean that course that only saw one major terror attack in 8 years. Spending 1/3 of the Obama's adminstration. Growth in certain segments of the economy. A stock market that is nearly 1/3 greater than today. A country with three major auto firms. Banks without gov't ownership.
Not sure, Driven.....but GWB is starting to sound a lot better.
Not sure, Driven.....but GWB is starting to sound a lot better.
You are basing your assumptions on Obama's ability to keep us safe on what?
drivenbysound: The founding fathers of America were against making policies based on religious influence. The Republicans base their ideology on there beliefs in God..which is going against the grain of the original intent.
You really need a better understanding of both parties and how things have evolved over the past few decades. It's true that religion has now become more of an issue than it used to be, but I would seriously not characterize the republican party solely on this criteria. The fundamental differences between the belief system of both parties are so vast that religion is really just a blip on the radar.
Or inability, rather.
Indyfella: We must pause on CS for 45 minutes, The Messiah is now speaking on TV. I'm glad he's apologizing for being American. It's about time.
Some body better making it clear that not all americans were a part of the regim of horror and suppression of the Bushney,s! Not all americans thinking or beleiving as you do Indyfella ...... Really... think a bout this as I have asked you many times before!
Who learned you that you and the ideology you beleive in is the only way of real americanism at all? It is just a damn politichal party who has been defeated and new directions and differnet kinds of beleive have won agaisnt yours!
It is over and out Indyfella! It is not "forbidden" no more thinking and caring about human rights and it is not forbidden no more to feel great a bout Real american values other than the way some of you guys tried to destroy the same!
The worlds greatest and most powerful gathering of all nations and that means the United States of America is back and Rocks as never before! How does it feel being a part of a bittered minority with no real influence no more Indyfella
drivenbysound: All I can say, is give him a fighting chance. Keep in mind that it is still very early in Obama's Presidency.
Results takes times..and change is sometimes slow to come.
Don't be so impatient, woman.
Results takes times..and change is sometimes slow to come.
Don't be so impatient, woman.
We gave him a chance and he put us so far into debt we will never crawl out of it. You don't seem to understand that what he has already done is PERMANENT DAMAGE.
WhatUwish4: You really need a better understanding of both parties and how things have evolved over the past few decades. It's true that religion has now become more of an issue than it used to be, but I would seriously not characterize the republican party solely on this criteria. The fundamental differences between the belief system of both parties are so vast that religion is really just a blip on the radar.
Oh how wrong you are, my lady.
drivenbysound: Oh how wrong you are, my lady.
OK. I'm all ears and will listen with an open mind.
Enlighten me.
Conrad73: You're PATHETIC TORTURER,Sunshine!
Make it three hours instead and wash your mouth with soap water as well! WhatUwish4: We gave him a chance and he put us so far into debt we will never crawl out of it. You don't seem to understand that what he has already done is PERMANENT DAMAGE.
So Bush and his corporate buddies didn't put us in any kind of financial hole? Or meltdown, which is more like it.
WhatUwish4: OK. I'm all ears and will listen with an open mind.
Enlighten me.
Enlighten me.
Now you're coming around.
Are you going to be around this evening? I have to leave for work shortly, but would love to continue this with you.
drivenbysound: The founding fathers of America were against making policies based on religious influence. The Republicans base their ideology on there beliefs in God..which is going against the grain of the original intent.
Socialist Influence is OK though!
ttom500: Tutenkamon was barely 20 years old when he died. He was barely a adult. Had inherited Egypt from his father. Off all the Pharohs, he had one of the shortest reins of them all.
Why he died is still anyone one guess.
I don't see how President Obama being linked to Tutenkamon is going to improve US & Muslim relationship. Tutenkamon was not Muslim.
And still you dont know why........ Study more Why he died is still anyone one guess.
I don't see how President Obama being linked to Tutenkamon is going to improve US & Muslim relationship. Tutenkamon was not Muslim.
Hot_Single_Dude: Make it three hours instead and wash your mouth with soap water as well!
Deal,if you wash yours with Javel-Water!
drivenbysound: So Bush and his corporate buddies didn't put us in any kind of financial hole? Or meltdown, which is more like it.
We went over all of this last night in great detail. I'm not about to waste the pixels to repeat it.
drivenbysound: The founding fathers of America were against making policies based on religious influence. The Republicans base their ideology on there beliefs in God..which is going against the grain of the original intent.
I posted this little bit of info earlier in a different post, Driven. Maybe you missed it.
General George Washington after winning the war of revolution was invited to talk to Congress. He said (if memory serves me)....that he gave the war outcome to a Holy God and that he was now commending the country in that Holy God's hands.
Most of founding father all a deep sustaining belief in God. Finding me one that was a athesist or agnostic?
What they did not want was a Gov't that religion where a king could be crowned by a church....as was being done in much of Europe. King George had been crowned by the Church England.
So they placed a separation of government and church clause in the Constitution. But had a brief prayer prior to every session of Congress. Had oaths of office done with a Bible.
And lastly, there are a more than a few DEM that are Christian as well.
Hot_Single_Dude: And still you dont know why........ Study more
Study the Goings On in your Brain?That's where the Only Connection is.
WhatUwish4: We went over all of this last night in great detail. I'm not about to waste the pixels to repeat it.
Okay, Miss Lazy.
ttom500: --------------------------^------------------------
I thought you were against those unfair international wire taps?
That invasion of privacy that the DEM were all concerned about.
Here you have these 17 Chinese....all locked up in GITMO....and
their sole contact with the world is the net. And you are not going to let them have private contact? So they can contact women, propose online, get engaged and be able to leave GITMO.
DEMs are cutting back on these guys social development with this
wire tapping program. Sounds awful unfair to me. Maybe a lawsuit involved here....
Wire taps is not always bad and the new american government will use it as well and this time totaly legal way and by acceptence of american judges when ever it is necessary. Those who need private contact cans end a pot card and letters of course and "we" will check any single of those messages as well so nauthy stuff is not going gettign around necessary filters of terror suspects. I thought you were against those unfair international wire taps?
That invasion of privacy that the DEM were all concerned about.
Here you have these 17 Chinese....all locked up in GITMO....and
their sole contact with the world is the net. And you are not going to let them have private contact? So they can contact women, propose online, get engaged and be able to leave GITMO.
DEMs are cutting back on these guys social development with this
wire tapping program. Sounds awful unfair to me. Maybe a lawsuit involved here....
The new commandor in chief is a differnet guy and it is good he wants to take care of this great planets security because of care and not because of greed and personal benefit for his own friends and relatives and supporters as the former crook on power did, not long time ago.... what ever the new Boss thinks is necessary for the sake of security then.... HIGH5 form me !
I posted this little bit of info earlier in a different post, Driven. Maybe you missed it.
General George Washington after winning the war of revolution was invited to talk to Congress. He said (if memory serves me)....that he gave the war outcome to a Holy God and that he was now commending the country in that Holy God's hands.
Most of founding father all a deep sustaining belief in God. Finding me one that was a athesist or agnostic?
What they did not want was a Gov't that religion where a king could be crowned by a church....as was being done in much of Europe. King George had been crowned by the Church England.
So they placed a separation of government and church clause in the Constitution. But had a brief prayer prior to every session of Congress. Had oaths of office done with a Bible.
And lastly, there are a more than a few DEM that are Christian as well.[/quote]
Of course there are..but still, policies should be based on people and the real needs of others, not what others deem God should want/think..and many conservatives have this mindset. Not all, but many.
It astounds me that people sometimes say that they know what God is thinking/wanting for us to do, or what God is thinking/saying to us.
General George Washington after winning the war of revolution was invited to talk to Congress. He said (if memory serves me)....that he gave the war outcome to a Holy God and that he was now commending the country in that Holy God's hands.
Most of founding father all a deep sustaining belief in God. Finding me one that was a athesist or agnostic?
What they did not want was a Gov't that religion where a king could be crowned by a church....as was being done in much of Europe. King George had been crowned by the Church England.
So they placed a separation of government and church clause in the Constitution. But had a brief prayer prior to every session of Congress. Had oaths of office done with a Bible.
And lastly, there are a more than a few DEM that are Christian as well.[/quote]
Of course there are..but still, policies should be based on people and the real needs of others, not what others deem God should want/think..and many conservatives have this mindset. Not all, but many.
It astounds me that people sometimes say that they know what God is thinking/wanting for us to do, or what God is thinking/saying to us.
WhatUwish4: We went over all of this last night in great detail. I'm not about to waste the pixels to repeat it.
Perhaps I should do the same and be too lazy to go back and read it.
drivenbysound: You are basing your assumptions on Obama's ability to keep us safe on what?
I am not saying in my post he can. So far he has been lucky as I see it. The proof will be if the moderate Muslim begin to trun in radical Muslims that are planning attacks both in their countries and elsewhere.
If speech last accomplish that...even to a small degree...he is on the right path. But if we don't any major increase in tip...in say Iraq, Afhganistan or Pakistan....then it was mostly hot air last night.
Driven, what is leading to winning in Iraq.....was when the Iraqi began to tip. The problem is AlQeada is in a number of countries....we need tips in a number of countries.
President Obama reached out to them. Open hand and new beginning.
But takes to two.....hold hands and two to walk to a new beginning.
ttom500: I am not saying in my post he can. So far he has been lucky as I see it. The proof will be if the moderate Muslim begin to trun in radical Muslims that are planning attacks both in their countries and elsewhere.
If speech last accomplish that...even to a small degree...he is on the right path. But if we don't any major increase in tip...in say Iraq, Afhganistan or Pakistan....then it was mostly hot air last night.
Driven, what is leading to winning in Iraq.....was when the Iraqi began to tip. The problem is AlQeada is in a number of countries....we need tips in a number of countries.
President Obama reached out to them. Open hand and new beginning.
But takes to two.....hold hands and two to walk to a new beginning.
If speech last accomplish that...even to a small degree...he is on the right path. But if we don't any major increase in tip...in say Iraq, Afhganistan or Pakistan....then it was mostly hot air last night.
Driven, what is leading to winning in Iraq.....was when the Iraqi began to tip. The problem is AlQeada is in a number of countries....we need tips in a number of countries.
President Obama reached out to them. Open hand and new beginning.
But takes to two.....hold hands and two to walk to a new beginning.
Which is why I say give Obama a chance to show/prove to America and the world that a change in relations between differing countries can be possible.
Remember how Bush kept repeating that it takes time for change to come?
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About as far from the Constitution,probably further that the last eight years were!