which military is the strongest in world now??? (121)
laviola44hawler,iraq/ florence, Tuscany Italy4 Threads 4 Polls 5 Postsrizlared: And your point is??????
my point is the simple russian solider can kill the great commander, but all american army cant kill a merchant man i mean -osama bin ladin- he is just merchant all know this jorj bosh was been a boss of one a company of bin ladin, al qahida was american creator they use all qahida in afganistan and chichin agenst russian but american fail at this exam, now we see alqahida fight with american......SlyIrish: Dream on.
I totally agree with that...
I love it. I have found there is quite a bit of chest thumping going on without any solid historical or factual thought put in to some posts. For example yes we can sat that the USA or China or even Russia are the 3 most powerful countries militarily but why. What is it that sets them apart, yes I know we can all use the figures to show this to be true, but strenght in equipment & numbers doesnt mean that to be the case.What major conflicts have they fought against combatants of similar or capable ability have they fought to prove this, if they are say brilliant in desert warfare are they good in jungle, tropical warfare .
I dont know Riz maybe I am a bit of que in my thinking
steve6611: I love it. I have found there is quite a bit of chest thumping going on without any solid historical or factual thought put in to some posts. For example yes we can sat that the USA or China or even Russia are the 3 most powerful countries militarily but why. What is it that sets them apart, yes I know we can all use the figures to show this to be true, but strenght in equipment & numbers doesnt mean that to be the case.
What major conflicts have they fought against combatants of similar or capable ability have they fought to prove this, if they are say brilliant in desert warfare are they good in jungle, tropical warfare .
I dont know Riz maybe I am a bit of que in my thinking
What major conflicts have they fought against combatants of similar or capable ability have they fought to prove this, if they are say brilliant in desert warfare are they good in jungle, tropical warfare .
I dont know Riz maybe I am a bit of que in my thinking
I think the point you have to realise is that the three you mentioned could, if required totally annihilate a country such as Iran without much problem, however, because they also have a conscience (China?? Maybe not)they do not flatten the whole country but target specific sites thus allowing the "enemy" to hide and therefore escape to wreak havoc at a later date, Bin L being a prime case where he could have been blown away but due to the restraints imposed by society on the use of carpet bombing he made his escape.
guide: There is a small difference between "fighting for my salary" and "fighting for my freedom" maybe it is not easy for you to understand it (don't want to be offensive by this), but do not judge other nations fight for freedom as pathetic. They are allowed to use anything to throw us out of their land. We civilized countries (NATO) are the one who invaded in their land and killed their people.
Still again my opinion....
Still again my opinion....
Very well said.
To be honest, the USA has the best military. The difference? It's air force superiority. Factor in alliances, and you've got a pretty lethal force. Then I'd be willing to wager that the US has covert weapon technologies that the public is not aware of.
If it's a conventional war, the US has the advantage because of it's air force, navy, and technology. The first war in Iraq (desert storm) was a swift victory, but the face of war in Iraq and Afghanistan today is far from conventional...much like Vietnam.
Russia and Iran have highly capable and sophisticated anti-aircraft systems. Russia had to focus on this when they were broke, and wisely so. Now that Russia has more money to play with and with China's emergence in the last 20 years, the gap is shrinking fast.
If it's a conventional war, the US has the advantage because of it's air force, navy, and technology. The first war in Iraq (desert storm) was a swift victory, but the face of war in Iraq and Afghanistan today is far from conventional...much like Vietnam.
Russia and Iran have highly capable and sophisticated anti-aircraft systems. Russia had to focus on this when they were broke, and wisely so. Now that Russia has more money to play with and with China's emergence in the last 20 years, the gap is shrinking fast.
I totally agree with what you are saying , I think I was more just throwing ideas up in my post I think its the historian in me. I did like your point about picking specific target sites , that was well illustrated in Iraq with the pin point site targetting . One other Aspect I do respect & yes admire with the US , Britain, NATO countries, Canada & Australia that even in conflicts they also try & bring a positive side to it for example in Afghanistan a lot of the engineer units are rebuilding damaged water supplies, roads, etc which i doubt some other powers would do, but I may be very wrong on this
Great post Sress I loved reading it I agree that the US air supeiority is its major key & also your military is able to adapt to different situations. I do know that both the US navy & the Australian navy are working to intergrate , & they have assisted our navy in the choice of our next generation naval vessels for joint operations & there is talk of a joint operation squadron based at Tyndale in Queensland which is our airforces northern base, pluswe already have the shared facilities Pine Gap & North West Cape ( Harold Holt Naval Base), which is the US & Australian submarine tracking station, Pine Gap is the joint base for early warning detection & strategic implementation .Sutherland has a line in that movie which at the time absolutely cracked me up. I can't remember it exactly, but he was with a nun, I believe, and he was pretending something...and in reply to her question he had an incredible answer. Damned if I can remember it. I'm pretty I'd still love that movie now. Clint and dopehead Sutherland (the "anti-Jack")...what's not to love?
CaptainBeirutIII:
And Stress, what on earth is ”conventional”? I know what the word means, and I’ve seen it mentioned many times in relation to war, but what on earth does one mean with it? That there’s supposed to be something fair in war? That wars should be fought like duels at dawn?
Nah, I don’t think so. The word conventional is often used by sides who on paper are stronger and pull it when in their own embarrassment are not winning it as easy as they claimed they could.
And Stress, what on earth is ”conventional”? I know what the word means, and I’ve seen it mentioned many times in relation to war, but what on earth does one mean with it? That there’s supposed to be something fair in war? That wars should be fought like duels at dawn?
Nah, I don’t think so. The word conventional is often used by sides who on paper are stronger and pull it when in their own embarrassment are not winning it as easy as they claimed they could.
Captain, I'm just saying the US has air superiority. Without it, they would not be the military force they are today. Does it win wars? No. War is not the answer.
CaptainBeirutIII:
And Stress, what on earth is ”conventional”? I know what the word means, and I’ve seen it mentioned many times in relation to war, but what on earth does one mean with it? That there’s supposed to be something fair in war? That wars should be fought like duels at dawn?
Nah, I don’t think so. The word conventional is often used by sides who on paper are stronger and pull it when in their own embarrassment are not winning it as easy as they claimed they could.
And Stress, what on earth is ”conventional”? I know what the word means, and I’ve seen it mentioned many times in relation to war, but what on earth does one mean with it? That there’s supposed to be something fair in war? That wars should be fought like duels at dawn?
Nah, I don’t think so. The word conventional is often used by sides who on paper are stronger and pull it when in their own embarrassment are not winning it as easy as they claimed they could.
I'm just stating that the US mastered the conventional warfare like in WWII and Desert Storm. Not saying it can win a war like we see today or in Vietnam, but it's a very capable force that has obviously spawned a chess match that the US is trying to deal with.
StressFree: Captain, I'm just saying the US has air superiority. Without it, they would not be the military force they are today. Does it win wars? No. War is not the answer.
THe U.S. has no problem winning a war. It defeated Iran and Afghanistan easily - militarily. It could've done so in Vietnam as well.
The problems start when it attempts to win the peace. By the way, that applies to ANY invading military force, not just the U.S.
Ambrose2007: THe U.S. has no problem winning a war. It defeated Iran and Afghanistan easily - militarily. It could've done so in Vietnam as well.
The problems start when it attempts to win the peace. By the way, that applies to ANY invading military force, not just the U.S.
The problems start when it attempts to win the peace. By the way, that applies to ANY invading military force, not just the U.S.
Winning a war, by the way, does not consist of absolutely quelching ANY resistance. It means the official capitulation or destruction of a government, essentially.
By the criterion that winning war means absolute submission, Germany didn't defeat France in WWII, since there was an ongoing resistance movement there.
Ambrose2007: THe U.S. has no problem winning a war. It defeated Iran IRAQ and Afghanistan easily - militarily. It could've done so in Vietnam as well.
The problems start when it attempts to win the peace. By the way, that applies to ANY invading military force, not just the U.S.
The problems start when it attempts to win the peace. By the way, that applies to ANY invading military force, not just the U.S.
I share the same sentiments J! Good points.
Kelly's Heroes! I love oddball in that movie. He had some classic lines about positive waves lol....
Kelly's Heroes! I love oddball in that movie. He had some classic lines about positive waves lol....
StressFree: I share the same sentiments J! Good points.
Kelly's Heroes! I love oddball in that movie. He had some classic lines about positive waves lol....
Kelly's Heroes! I love oddball in that movie. He had some classic lines about positive waves lol....
Yeah, I think that line came when he was pretending to be a priest...something about feeling good vibrations...? Anyhow, I'll know soon enough - I just Neflixed the movie.
laviola44: which military is strongest in world. i just want u all what think???
England??
I think you mean Great Britain?!And don't forget ANZAC!
The SAS and the Gherkas are, of course, formidable!
typomatic: What a crass attitude
And we wonder why there is no peace in the world,
Terrorists and gorilla tactics will never be considered military
And we wonder why there is no peace in the world,
Terrorists and gorilla tactics will never be considered military
rizlared: He is not kicking British asses, he is inflating his flat ego
guide: There is a small difference between "fighting for my salary" and "fighting for my freedom" maybe it is not easy for you to understand it (don't want to be offensive by this), but do not judge other nations fight for freedom as pathetic. They are allowed to use anything to throw us out of their land. We civilized countries (NATO) are the one who invaded in their land and killed their people.
Still again my opinion....
Sorry wrong button...
Is it a fight for freedom when your murdering more of your own people than the enemy? Of course people are free to fight, but Iraqi so-called "freedom fighters" caused most of the casualties in that war. What of those Afghani's who despise the Taliban?Still again my opinion....
Sorry wrong button...
laviola44: my point is the simple russian solider can kill the great commander, but all american army cant kill a merchant man i mean -osama bin ladin- he is just merchant all know this jorj bosh was been a boss of one a company of bin ladin, al qahida was american creator they use all qahida in afganistan and chichin agenst russian but american fail at this exam, now we see alqahida fight with american......
Here we go...OBL is just a "merchant"...A merchant of death, but nevermind. Oh, and since he was "created" by the CIA we have no right to complain...
rizlared: I think the point you have to realise is that the three you mentioned could, if required totally annihilate a country such as Iran without much problem, however, because they also have a conscience (China?? Maybe not)they do not flatten the whole country but target specific sites thus allowing the "enemy" to hide and therefore escape to wreak havoc at a later date, Bin L being a prime case where he could have been blown away but due to the restraints imposed by society on the use of carpet bombing he made his escape.
Exactly-Wars that are fought with overwhelming force are over quickly and less lives lost as a result. A lesson underlined by Fallujah.typomatic: What a crass attitude
And we wonder why there is no peace in the world,
Terrorists and gorilla tactics will never be considered military
And we wonder why there is no peace in the world,
Terrorists and gorilla tactics will never be considered military
What a prime example of crass ignorance when you can't differentiate between the terrorist IRA and the Irish Military.
How many guesses do we get
China and North Korea
China and North Korea
I have no idea man
BebeII: Is it a fight for freedom when your murdering more of your own people than the enemy? Of course people are free to fight, but Iraqi so-called "freedom fighters" caused most of the casualties in that war. What of those Afghani's who despise the Taliban?
Absolutely yes.
Now that another war tactic (we say it here "unorthodox war")is used and they have side losses from their people we do care? It is a simple reaction of people who are fighting for their families, their kids and for what they believe. I know it is difficult to understand it, because your country never fought for freedom (only for others freedom in WWI&WWII) but in this case it is connected with the history of every country.
Concerning who caused more casualties and if people in Afghanistan despite the talibans, i wouldn't be so sure. You seem to forgett that most of the news you (and me of course)hear are mostly pure propaganda.
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