mataselo: I've read your profile and you are not even sure what county you come from may be you are
And are you forgetting the the biggest single loss of life during the troubles was the Dublin/Monaghan bombings in which 33 innocent people died, carried out by the UVF with the help of British intelligence....
Not getting bogged down in politics....Unionists have started to notice that there maybe real benifits and real dynamic to an all IRELAND ecomomy,much more cross border cooperation is already leading to INCREASED TRADE and to more INVESTMENT. And it is also giving rise to the POSSIBILITIES in the delivery of better PUBLIC SERVICES with less duplication.....
So isn't it possible that 26+6=1....and you may have more money in your pocket......
For the record I'm IRISH TOO grew up in BELFAST in the NORTH EASTERN part of OUR wee country.............
Well it is happening slowly economicaly. Did you ever think you would see Ian Paisley flying to London on an Aer Lingus plane?.Our economies are slowly been drawn together and a United Ireland is looking more like a reality than a pipe dream.
skimpydoo: Slainte Matselo We are on the same line of thinking and the Irish Govt is been smart giving us closer economical ties with Northern Ireland. This will cause Northern Assembly to rethink their views on a United Ireland. They may even hold a referendum on it soon and is the Catholic population is increasing there is a good chance of a yes vote.
I hope people if there is a referendum vote with their pockets.....THE CELTIC TIGER RULES....and the CELTIC BANANA too
jetdevil2001: Ask Bush, may be he will help Northern Ireland to separate from GB... he he
jetdevil2001 I prefer like most people to refer to say NORTH of the ISLAND of IRELAND.....as for george he's made a complete balls up of the Americian economy, IRAK, AFGANISTAN, and every thing else he touches
mataselo: jetdevil2001 I prefer like most people to refer to say NORTH of the ISLAND of IRELAND.....as for george he's made a complete balls up of the Americian economy, IRAK, AFGANISTAN, and every thing else he touches
Have a pint of the black suff
I Have never heard this way of calling this country, yes, Bush's double policy makes me irritated, see what he did with poor Serbia...
I find it quite ironic that after all the years of fighting and lost lives, the solution is being found in the financial area which is how the problems, in my opinion, originated in the first place.
My own family originate from County Mayo on my Dads side and ended up here due to the potato famine.
trish123: I find it quite ironic that after all the years of fighting and lost lives, the solution is being found in the financial area which is how the problems, in my opinion, originated in the first place.
My own family originate from County Mayo on my Dads side and ended up here due to the potato famine.
The problem for the conflict and the lost lives originated about a century after the Norman conquest of England, Henry II of England, claimed and attempted,to join Ireland to his kingdom. He succeded in establishing a small area around Dublin called the Pale.Over the next four centuries or so this was a beach-head for the Kingdom of Ireland,adopting English Adimistrative practises and the English langauge.
A number of attemps were made to extend English control over the rest of Ireland, but the major expansion of English control over the rest of Ireland dinot take place until the 16th century. And for the rest of the clans who disputedthe rest of ireland with each other, England became a major external trhreat to our sovereignty and customs...
As for your point on the lost lives, there have been to many innocent lost....
mataselo: The problem for the conflict and the lost lives originated about a century after the Norman conquest of England, Henry II of England, claimed and attempted,to join Ireland to his kingdom. He succeded in establishing a small area around Dublin called the Pale.Over the next four centuries or so this was a beach-head for the Kingdom of Ireland,adopting English Adimistrative practises and the English langauge.
A number of attemps were made to extend English control over the rest of Ireland, but the major expansion of English control over the rest of Ireland dinot take place until the 16th century. And for the rest of the clans who disputedthe rest of ireland with each other, England became a major external trhreat to our sovereignty and customs...
As for your point on the lost lives, there have been to many innocent lost....
You can have a pint too
haha, cheers, and heres a pint back for your very good post
I didnt know about the Pale and will look it up very soon. I was thinking more along the lines of that 95% of the Irish landscape was owned by absentee protestant english landlords, whose large estates were run by local agents under tremendous pressure to maximize income without investing in the local population - the reliance on the potato because of its market value and the subsequent crop failure had devastating effects.
This bit is copied; In fact the English government responsible for these policies was toppled, and relief efforts were left entirely to the Irish landlords, whose livelihood depended upon the sale of the grain cash crops generated, which were not affected by the blight. In an effort to maintain their standard of living, the landlords refused to lower their rental fees, and continued to send massive revenues from taxes, rents and grain sales to their English land owners throughout the entire famine period.
With the revenues from grain sales committed to the landlords, and the food supply all but eliminated, the Irish population was faced with mass starvation, and to make matters worse, the winter of 1846 - 1847 was the worst in recent memory. Towns and villages across the Irish countryside soon became filled with starving, freezing mobs, quickly overwhelming all local relief efforts. Soup kitchens were set up, and volunteers throughout England and America began raising funds, but it was too late to stop the disaster.
Consumption of raw or partially cooked foods by the desperate population coupled with the lack of foods bearing vitamin C brought on typhus, dysentery, cholera, “famine fever” and scurvy, which soon reached epidemic levels. To many the only escape from the death and misery surrounding them was to emigrate to other English speaking countries.
mataselo: Tamarory, didn't mean to offend you, I've lost to many friends in the conflict. I think it's time to call a spade a spade and let the Irish sort out our affairs....
It is looking more and more like the "United states of Europe" will make the discussion about a United Ireland null and void. One period ends and a new one begins............
yep couldn't agree more. over the years the uk have disbanded the commonwealth and given other countries back to the rightful owners. maybe it's about time they freed ireland too
Well in the news this week, there is plans for Queen Elizabeth to visit Dublin .......well 20 years ago that would have been unheard off....also when Ian Paisley visited Dublin that was a step in the right direction.....also who would have fortold that the DUP and Sinn fein would be sitting at the one table making plans for the future of Northern Ireland.....there has been alot of water under the bridge and all in the good of the people in the North.....
I'm part Irish yet I've never been there. My mother and sister say that it's amazing. So, is there any room for a disenchanted American to head that way?
skwidwurd: yep couldn't agree more. over the years the uk have disbanded the commonwealth and given other countries back to the rightful owners. maybe it's about time they freed ireland too
i dont think southern ireland will ever join with the north.. too much has gone on.... and the majority of the people up north consider themselves english... but we live in hope.....and paisley is going in may ...
Ulimaroa: Thanks to Clinton (I believe) there is finally some form of peace.
What a great thread topic.
I reckon it should be united, and one day it will be.
And I hope my wee country will be united like yours and our 'peace lines' tumble like the BERLIN WALL did many years ago Have a pint of the black stuff on me
RobbieMHertford, Hertfordshire, England UK4,553 posts
skwidwurd: yep couldn't agree more. over the years the uk have disbanded the commonwealth and given other countries back to the rightful owners. maybe it's about time they freed ireland too
Freed ireland? Strewth its not occupied!! But let the Irish sort it out themselves, it's long overdue before the criminals and hooligans make it into something its not.
mataselo: And I hope my wee country will be united like yours and our 'peace lines' tumble like the BERLIN WALL did many years ago Have a pint of the black stuff on me
Should have checked your profile have a pint of black suff
My problem is trying to understand what successive British Goverments have said and done both pre 1994 and after the signing of the GFA....for example...
In 1988 Peter Brooke the then Secretary for the North of the Island of Ireland stated.....That the British have no selfish or strategic position with in the North of Ireland and they wanted to be netural....
Then why has MI 5 relocated to 15miles from Belfast?
Also in the not to near future new laws come into place,where it will be impossible to fly from Belfast (part of the UK) to London (capital of the UK) with out having a valid passport....While someone from say Cardiff or Glasgow can Travel freely...When I or yourself can travel from Belfast/Derry (Part of the UK) to Dublin (Capital of Ireland) with out the need of ID controls...
Surely if I come from one part of the UK then I should be afforded the same rights as other parts of the UK. Which sadly ins't the case....
RobbieMHertford, Hertfordshire, England UK4,553 posts
mataselo: Should have checked your profile have a pint of black suff
My problem is trying to understand what successive British Goverments have said and done both pre 1994 and after the signing of the GFA....for example...
In 1988 Peter Brooke the then Secretary for the North of the Island of Ireland stated.....That the British have no selfish or strategic position with in the North of Ireland and they wanted to be netural....
Then why has MI 5 relocated to 15miles from Belfast?
Also in the not to near future new laws come into place,where it will be impossible to fly from Belfast (part of the UK) to London (capital of the UK) with out having a valid passport....While someone from say Cardiff or Glasgow can Travel freely...When I or yourself can travel from Belfast/Derry (Part of the UK) to Dublin (Capital of Ireland) with out the need of ID controls...
Surely if I come from one part of the UK then I should be afforded the same rights as other parts of the UK. Which sadly ins't the case....
I haven't seen any discrimination against any irish person within the uk whatsoever.A valid passport is required anywhere within the world to travel as a form of identity, and withing the EU and international flights are all now required to collect information about the traveller on behalf of the authorities.
Its not discrimination against anyone, its a worldwide proceedure, and a prerequisite for travel to america for instance and within the EU.
RobbieM: I haven't seen any discrimination against any irish person within the uk whatsoever.A valid passport is required anywhere within the world to travel as a form of identity, and withing the EU and international flights are all now required to collect information about the traveller on behalf of the authorities.
Its not discrimination against anyone, its a worldwide proceedure, and a prerequisite for travel to america for instance and within the EU.
Dear RobbieM,
As things stand today you can fly/take the train or swim from any part of the EMERALD ISLE to BLIGHTY with out showing any form of ID, go to gates 49/51 in Heathrow and you will find out what I mean....
Like I said and I don't like to repeat myself....in the near future traveling from the NORTH OF IRELAND(part of the UK) to London or any other part of the UK(from the NORTH OF IRELAND) you will need valid travel papers...passport, titre de sejour or what ever......
While going from Belfast (UK) to Dublin(another country in Europe) you WILL NOT be asked to produce any papers.....
While UK citizens from other parts of the UK will not be required to show travel documents.....Isn't it a case of double standards?
I think, the late Brendan Hughes had it about right when he said.....
" I am not adovcating dumb militarism or a return to war. Never in the history of republicanism was so much sacrificed and so little gained;too many left dead and too few achievements. Let us think most strongly before going down that road again. I am simply questioning the wisdom in adminstering British rule in this part of Ireland. I am asking what happen to the struggle in all Ireland-what happened to the idea to a thirty two county socialist republic. That, after all, is what it was all about. Not about participating in a northern administration that closes hospitals, and attacks the teachers' unions. I am asking why are we not fighting for and defending the rights of ordinary working people, for better wages and working conditions. Does thirty years of struggle boil down to a big room at stormont, ministerial cars, dark suits and the implementation of the patten report"
My son visited Ireland..said he loved it! I cannot comment on something I know nothing about though.(unlike our Denmark friend who has a man crush on Barak Obama and american politics.HA!)
In my utopia, all borders would be removed and we'd all be citizens of the world. You would live under the prevailing laws of the country you were visiting or living in, and have any immunization required by that country. Everyone would be citizens of the world.
Skeptikos: In my utopia, all borders would be removed and we'd all be citizens of the world. You would live under the prevailing laws of the country you were visiting or living in, and have any immunization required by that country. Everyone would be citizens of the world.
patrickthomas: It is looking more and more like the "United states of Europe" will make the discussion about a United Ireland null and void. One period ends and a new one begins............
As an AMERICAN/IRISH/SCOTS X 3 BLOODLINES,i hope for the best for all three but in my humble opinion? Ireland will rule herself,as in one,again,watch.
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