Should US War Resisters Be Deported From Canada For Not Fighting In Iraq War? (124)

Exactly...What type of bravery does it take for soldiers in the field to stand up and say to the world...this is wrong!

Or you think you're going in as a liberating force and then find its all about occupation?

Or you joined the forces at the age of 16/17 and reality didn't hit home until you grew up a bit?

Surely, the kind of person you really don't want to work with in that kind of situation, is somebody who doesn't want to be there.

What about all the executions that took place because of PTSD in past wars, that is now recognised as a treatable illness, rather than cowardice?

Jac xxx

Like marriage, you mean?

That puts me in mind of women being murdered if they try and run away from their husbands.

Jac xxx

Exactly Jac...or how about a poverty stricken inner city high school kid whos pushed into believing this will be his ticket out of hell. They recruit in the poorest quarters.

I think its ironic that peeps can sit back ( on thier rather fat azzes) and dictate how a soldier should behave never having been in that situation themselves.

Maybe because Im Canadian, but we sheltered the so called "deserters" who were brave enough to stand up and bring world attention to the horror and con job that was Vietnam.

And dont even get me started on the "reward" that awaits war veterans. And the hell they face when they have outlived their usefullness in the eyes of thier government.

If I WAS a soldier I would be damn well rethinking the whole thing as well. Ive met many in my business and let me tell you, theres a very real anger out there.

I would no more presume to judge a soldier in the field, than I would claim to know the mind of God!

We cannot compare this current situation to Vietnam. We all know that was a war, (not a declared one at that)that shouldn't have been.
However, terrorism is real and this war will never end. There will not be a white flag brought out and then a sit down at the table to work things out. This will go on, I believe, until the end of the world.
Being from a family of veterans, WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Marines, Navy, I am a firm believer in, when you sign, you're in. Our military is voluntary, we don't make you go. And I don't believe we take inner city dropouts or 16 yr olds anymore. And, trying to escape from the inner city's Hell, as you put it, is NO excuse!
We all have things we'd like to escape from. But I've yet to join the military.

War is war Con... "each according to the dictates of his own conciense" I would never BE brave enough to step up and go to war...I dont presume to judge the hearts of those that are. Let alone dictate policy to them. But I will tell you this...there is a backlash comming and its going to be huge!!! There is a massive amount of anger. The modern soldier is not as innocent as Vietnam vets. They have been conned and they know it. I dont think it will be as easy to operate the war machine in the future....perhaps this is a blessing in disguise.

Really and so do you think whats happening right now in the middle east is justified? Why are our troops over there exactly?Are you the last human being on earth that hasnt questioned this?

You better believe that they most certainly ARE recruiting in the poorest places...I watched a documentary on exactly this...the sad part was they filled these kids heads with visions of glory and promote is a way to "be a man" and "step and and help your family" Then march them off with rose coloured glasses firmly in place. Its heartbreaking and shameful.

i would like to mention that u are just as bad as those cowards who deserted their posts. they should be jailed or shot for cowardnice

Should US War Resisters Be Deported From Canada For Not Fighting In Iraq War?



Myself, I believe they should not be deported for not fighting in the Iraq war. I also believe that they should not be given refugee status however, I further believe that if they are criminals or, deemed a criminal by the US for whatever reason, we should not protect them just as we would not wish the US to protect our soldiers if they sought asylum there when a job they didn't wish to do came up after they signed a contract.

Isn't all that recruitment and brainwashing stuff of young men exactly what the Middle East is criticised for?

Jac xxx

The reason why they deserted means nothing in this argument. If they felt the war was not right then they had various means of prosecuting this pot=int ranging from voting, electing to change their job, running for political office once they had completed their term of service or, protesting once they had completed their term of service.

The fact that they, while a volunteer in a democracy, felt they could take full pay and then, when asked to perform, reneged and, ran to a country who's troops are fighting the same war in order to hide.



I suppose you feel that we ought not to provide equal rights for those living in those poor places huh? Them being so stupid and all, maybe even sterilize them so they won't give birth to stupid children too. I mean, they aren't ready to sign any sort of contract as they have little understanding of how the world works so why should they be afforded any opportunity?

Sorry, but being poor, does not make you stupid. I can vouch for that!

WTF are you on about??? Please be so kind as to NOT speak for me. Im intelligent enough thank-you I really dont need some dunderhead to translate for me. The whole "steriliztion" senario came from the cesspool of your mind sir...Frankly you are both obnoxious and offensive. May I ask the last time you wore a uniform??? And it might also behoove you to go back and read the ONLY post on this thread written by a soldier on active duty. FOOL

I find both the arrogance and the irony appalling!!

I agree ...of course it doesnt ...how silly

Your contention that the politics of an action dictates the terms of a soldiers service and second, that those who come from less fortunate circumstances should not have to live up to their obligations because they have less understanding of the resp[responsibilities expected of those serving.



Then you should have been intelligent enough to see that I asked a question, not put words in your mouth.



You are the one who contends that special consideration be given those less fortunate. If they are terminally less fortunate and cannot be expected to live up to obligations then what else can be done with them? (That is a question by the way, not me putting words in your mouth.)



And I consider you a very mistaken person but, don't feel I need to unsult you in order to get my jollies.



I see. So being a soldier depends on when you are one. A code of honor changes with time. Responsibility for one's own actions depends on what generation you are. Is that what you mean to contend?



I look forward to your answers. Say, wondering, when was the last time you wore a uniform and/or, ran to another country when you didn't like the terms of a contract you signed?

You strike me as yet another internet idiot looking for any excuse to drag someone into an argument in order to sustain the legend in your own mind. I refuse to be sucked in, but hey carry on blowing smoke

I don't care how I strike you as I only contend that your argument that the politics of an action dictates the terms of a soldiers service and second, that those who come from less fortunate circumstances should not have to live up to their obligations because they have less understanding of the resp[responsibilities expected of those serving.

That you insist on insulting and now, outright evading any request to support your points after spending two pages on a discussion forum exposing sam, shows a marked weakness in your arguments.

So, if anybody is 'blowing smoke,' you might look inwards.