Should US War Resisters Be Deported From Canada For Not Fighting In Iraq War? (124)
online today!online today!Conrad73Zurich, Switzerland204 Threads 6 Polls 59,470 PostsDJMcC: the swiss perfected the pike defence.like a turtle....renowned throug all europe as mercenaries...........unfortunatly that was centuries ago .the swiss are a bunch of Sitters.just sit on this fence .oh o.k just sit on that fence..........useless
Sounds somewhat like Aussielands Policies!
DJMcC: simple a medic carrying a weapon is a combatant I have been to 2 situations so far in my life ..if you dont have a gun then generally they womt shoot you
This is one of those...guess you had to be there experiences.....for after that first combat jump...all his unit's medics carried weapons
till the end of the war.
It is like Las Vegas.....what happens there is suppose to stay there. In reality, a US WWII medic had a big white cross on his helmet for a target.
So he got to be very well known on the battlefield. It was the easiest thing to shoot.
Dude44: I'm impressed with the logic of your answer. On what do you base your statement outlined in blue below?
Dude you obviously despise/hate the USA and that is your prerogative but keep this in mind, my country has directly or indirectly has protected YOUR country as it does other countries, so keep your hate mongering to yourself or when your country is attacked defend your country.
Conrad73: Wanna take us on,Sunshine?
you have no combat ready troops to worth a mention apart from the popes guards.No tanks apart from that dinosaur the S tank...and you want to talk about your military.oh well lets go and try the hedgehog again ..maybe
Raynew1959: If someone joins the military, they do it knowing that there is a possibility of having to go to war.
The way I see it, if they go AWOL to get out of having to fulfill that contract, they are cowards and traitors.
I joined the USCG and was in bootcamp shortly after graduating high school in '78. The USCG is normally a part of the Dept of Transportation but during time of war, it moves to being a part of the Navy. I knew there was a possibility of having to go into a war while I was in.
A proud vet
The way I see it, if they go AWOL to get out of having to fulfill that contract, they are cowards and traitors.
I joined the USCG and was in bootcamp shortly after graduating high school in '78. The USCG is normally a part of the Dept of Transportation but during time of war, it moves to being a part of the Navy. I knew there was a possibility of having to go into a war while I was in.
A proud vet
I agree 100%. There is no draft, so this wouldn't have anything to do with US citizens fleeing from such a thing. US Military personnel who flee in order to avoid being deployed to a combat zone are deserters. The absence without leave or "missing movement" if done to avoid "important duty" is desertion and is a very serious offense.
Conrad73: If you sign a Contract,Honor It!You knew what you might get into at the time of Signing Up!
If you run away,you're a Deserter!
You signed up by your Own Free Will,you weren't Drafted!
If you run away,you're a Deserter!
You signed up by your Own Free Will,you weren't Drafted!
The law of averages would require that sooner or later you're going to say something with which I would have to disagree on a factual basis, but it could be a long, long time before that happens since you seem to offset the other extreme that don't seem capable of saying anything rational at all.
gardenhackle: Amahlala, your ability and willingness to clearly speak your mind and to do so in a thoughtful and concise manner is welcome and appreciated. At least by me. :)
Thank you
lifeatthebeach: I am also a proud military vet (USAF) and served my country with honor and will forever be honored for serving and life all that VOLUNTARILY joined there is always a threat of war and was not afraid. Those that deserted/went AWOL should be expedited back to the USA and prosecuted under the uniform code of military justice.!
I agree....desertion is cowardice.
gardenhackle: I agree 100%. There is no draft, so this wouldn't have anything to do with US citizens fleeing from such a thing. US Military personnel who flee in order to avoid being deployed to a combat zone are deserters. The absence without leave or "missing movement" if done to avoid "important duty" is desertion and is a very serious offense.
just a questin so wahat does USCG stand for forall us Non USA type peopleDJMcC: just a questin so wahat does USCG stand for forall us Non USA type people
United States Coast Guard
DJMcC: just a questin so wahat does USCG stand for forall us Non USA type people
USCG is United States Coast Guard
DJMcC: just a questin so wahat does USCG stand for forall us Non USA type people
United States Costal Guard.
Some quick information:
The seven uniformed services are, in order of precedence:
1. United States Army
2. United States Marine Corps
3. United States Navy
4. United States Air Force
5. United States Coast Guard
6. United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corps
7. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Commissioned Corps
Each of the uniformed services is administratively headed by a federal executive department and its corresponding civilian Cabinet leader.
The seven uniformed services are, in order of precedence:
1. United States Army
2. United States Marine Corps
3. United States Navy
4. United States Air Force
5. United States Coast Guard
6. United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corps
7. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Commissioned Corps
Each of the uniformed services is administratively headed by a federal executive department and its corresponding civilian Cabinet leader.
Fight a war that defies the spirit of your own nation, and you are no patriot. These soldiers are right not to die in the name of some traitor politician.
Veritaas: United States Costal Guard.
thanks for thatTrueBlue1986: Fight a war that defies the spirit of your own nation, and you are no patriot. These soldiers are right not to die in the name of some traitor politician.
Sorry, don't quite understand what you are trying to say.
Is it that we shouldn't fight overseas?
TrueBlue1986: Fight a war that defies the spirit of your own nation, and you are no patriot. These soldiers are right not to die in the name of some traitor politician.
Should think about that before joining the military. Defy or disobey to fight in combat can be construed as treason!
Steve5721: Sorry, don't quite understand what you are trying to say.
Is it that we shouldn't fight overseas?
Is it that we shouldn't fight overseas?
Fight for liberty and freedom, the supposed tenets of the West, don't fight for oil, nor power, and never fight for conquest.
lifeatthebeach: Should think about that before joining the military. Defy or disobey to fight in combat can be construed as treason!
I'm sure they said something similar to that at the battle of the Somme.
I am a proud veteran myself. I too fought in the Iraq war. I am now back in Iraq working as a contractor putting my life in danger again. We all were not forced to sign up for the military. I guess someone would really need to tell me what the hell we are doing in Afghanistan. This is one war that I am totally against. Way too many lives and billions of American dollars. For what?? I dont know why we are one of the only countries that are always the first to step up and start a war!
TrueBlue1986: Fight for liberty and freedom, the supposed tenets of the West, don't fight for oil, nor power, and never fight for conquest.
You sound like a spinelss yellow coward with his head buried in the sand.
I think when you join the military you do so with an understanding that you may go to war, HOWEVER... when it has been PROVEN that the war is unjustified, and the basis is centered on lies then I think that it is to the individual to make that moral decision for themselves. If I was sent to do a job and realized along the way that the job was immoral or unethical would I still go do it? Probably not. I think even unemployment would agree on that one...
Surely wether a particulair conflict is justified, or wether the individual member of the forces has kept himself up to speed with world politics isnt the question here. The question is, as an adult, with a good standard of education, you make the decision to join the military, should you refuse to fight and desert because it doesnt agree with you?
My opinion, is no, you signed on the dotted line, knowing full well the "trade" you were joining. They are deserters.
My opinion, is no, you signed on the dotted line, knowing full well the "trade" you were joining. They are deserters.
bittersweet28467: I think when you join the military you do so with an understanding that you may go to war, HOWEVER... when it has been PROVEN that the war is unjustified, and the basis is centered on lies then I think that it is to the individual to make that moral decision for themselves. If I was sent to do a job and realized along the way that the job was immoral or unethical would I still go do it? Probably not. I think even unemployment would agree on that one...
Actually, it is dependent upon the circumstances. Unemployment insurance does not necessarily agree that if an individual is performing illegal or unethical work that the individual would be guaranteed unemployment if they quit their positions for those reasons. The individual would need to provide hard evidence that the position entailed doing unethical or illegal work. Going by what an individuals feels is not hard evidence.
When an individual voluntarily signs up for service in one of the uniformed services they are told that they might see "action" at any time in their career. They are informed of what could happen and are advised that if they do not feel comfortable serving their country in that capacity, then they should not sign the enlistment packet.
If the individual decides after signing the paperwork, going through their basic training and schooling that that they should not have signed and must now desert their service, they are A.W.O.L. and will face strict penalties for doing so.
Bold words, ironic really since you're sat at your computer on the other side of the ocean.
bittersweet28467: I think when you join the military you do so with an understanding that you may go to war, HOWEVER... when it has been PROVEN that the war is unjustified, and the basis is centered on lies then I think that it is to the individual to make that moral decision for themselves. If I was sent to do a job and realized along the way that the job was immoral or unethical would I still go do it? Probably not. I think even unemployment would agree on that one...
As a member of the military, you must (1) obey ALL lawful orders and (2) refuse to obey ALL unlawful orders. Failure on either count is a serious offense. Your opinion about the "morality" or "ethics" of an engagement that you are ordered into is completely and utterly irrelevant. The military cannot function if every order given is subject to personal philosophical evaluation before being performed. Illegal actions are different and cannot be ordered. When you join, you swear to obey your superiors and their lawful orders from your squad leader up to the President of the United States.
Now, you can still make the "moral decision" for yourself, but you have to accept the consequences of your actions if you desert and the consequences can be as grave as the death penalty.
lifeatthebeach: You sound like a spinelss yellow coward with his head buried in the sand.
Bold words, ironic really since you're sat at your computer on the other side of the ocean.
TrueBlue1986: Bold words, ironic really since you're sat at your computer on the other side of the ocean.
Whom are you referring to? Please use the quote button....
amahlala: Whom are you referring to? Please use the quote button....
My apologies...you did and I did not see it. My mistake.
bittersweet28467: I think when you join the military you do so with an understanding that you may go to war, HOWEVER... when it has been PROVEN that the war is unjustified, and the basis is centered on lies then I think that it is to the individual to make that moral decision for themselves. If I was sent to do a job and realized along the way that the job was immoral or unethical would I still go do it? Probably not. I think even unemployment would agree on that one...
THEN suffer the consequences for disobeying a direct order to fight in combat and face treason, sentencing includes a firing squad
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