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Zarah: To try and understand God/Allah is beyond our own ken. We can only understand the human mind, examine nature, but we can know God only through His creation.
Instead of knowing Him in terms of images and shapes, we know Him in terms of names, attributes.
The corruption of love comes in its expression. The beauty of the heart is disfigured when words try to describe it.
Instead of knowing Him in terms of images and shapes, we know Him in terms of names, attributes.
The corruption of love comes in its expression. The beauty of the heart is disfigured when words try to describe it.
good points, though my only contention would be that disfigurement is also beauty.
I think we can also understand beyond the mind when we learn to quiet that mind...to understand that we are more the spirit than we are the mind. The spirit lives on while the mind does not? people tend to put the mind well before the spirit and this IMHO ignores who we truely are, thus making it more difficult to be in touch with any god presence
BnaturAl: It is difficult for sure to pen an understanding but if spiritually evolving to this truth is a factor then questioning is the catalyst.
For sure without a doubt.
So which option did you vote for BnaturAl?....other?
BnaturAl: youre paychic! then you could have saved me the trouble of asking
Ok, I gotcha. So here's something to think about, as I do ... you need energy to make a generator, yes?... ya I know its a chicken and the egg conundrum; but ..
I also think, as opposed to believe, that plants and animals have some freewill as well, though it would seem some of their actions are 'conditioned' and so we too behave in conditioned ways. Does a tree turn its leaves to the sun because it wants to or because it knows where life is?
I mean sometimes I wonder if they are not more evolved than us, in a sense that they accept and naturally turn to the life giving force without question, while we MISS that factor ... making sense?
Ok, I gotcha. So here's something to think about, as I do ... you need energy to make a generator, yes?... ya I know its a chicken and the egg conundrum; but ..
I also think, as opposed to believe, that plants and animals have some freewill as well, though it would seem some of their actions are 'conditioned' and so we too behave in conditioned ways. Does a tree turn its leaves to the sun because it wants to or because it knows where life is?
I mean sometimes I wonder if they are not more evolved than us, in a sense that they accept and naturally turn to the life giving force without question, while we MISS that factor ... making sense?
Ha.. and I knew you would make these points also
...For the purpose of the illustration of the point you have to assume that the Generator just exists!! ok?
As to the behaviour of plants and the animal kingdom.. perhaps becoming more like them is our aim.. perhaps like the prodical son.. we have to go out there.. make our mistakes.. think we know it all and ultimately come to the realisation that there are no magic complex formula or answer and that the purpose of our existence is to do just that.. exist.. be.. to understand the world provides us with all that we need.. enough for everyone... nature doesn't question its existence, it just lives in harmony with the rest of nature.. taking what is necessary..no more..
I would compare the evolution of the human soul as having come through three stages.. childhood.. around the time of Moses etc... where we just simply didn't know better.... adolecence... where we think we know it all!! (currently in the final stages of this phase) and adulthood which would be a phase of enlightened collective consciousness and a better understanding of why we are all here...
It may take the complete destruction of our present facade to make us realise this.. but I believe it will happen.. this could be what is meant by the end of the world JMV..
p.s... OMG.. I find it sooo hard to debate with u.. u r just too damn good at this
.. ur points are always so logical..BnaturAl: good points, though my only contention would be that disfigurement is also beauty.
I think we can also understand beyond the mind when we learn to quiet that mind...to understand that we are more the spirit than we are the mind. The spirit lives on while the mind does not? people tend to put the mind well before the spirit and this IMHO ignores who we truely are, thus making it more difficult to be in touch with any god presence
I think we can also understand beyond the mind when we learn to quiet that mind...to understand that we are more the spirit than we are the mind. The spirit lives on while the mind does not? people tend to put the mind well before the spirit and this IMHO ignores who we truely are, thus making it more difficult to be in touch with any god presence
We are not human beings on a spiritual journey. We are spiritual beings on a human journey. The earthly ways inthis astral plane could be one of the toughest experiences in our convoluted universe.
StressFree: It is not contradictory. We all share the same energy, so in a sense there is some truth to it. A drop to the sea we are...make any sense? It's a Hindu saying that makes sense and should answer your question. We are the drop of water in the air, and the Source is the sea.....
I like hindu aspects and budhist as well, but again your affirmation is the same as we are all ONE...co-creators? is not the sea many drops of the same water?
I get that we are the drop, singular as in you and I, her, he etc ... but as one we are the source? Lets change contradictory to 'paradoxical'
BnaturAl: I like hindu aspects and budhist as well, but again your affirmation is the same as we are all ONE...co-creators? is not the sea many drops of the same water?
I get that we are the drop, singular as in you and I, her, he etc ... but as one we are the source? Lets change contradictory to 'paradoxical'
I get that we are the drop, singular as in you and I, her, he etc ... but as one we are the source? Lets change contradictory to 'paradoxical'
We are part of the source, but not the truth. We are connected to the god source, but we are not at the source level.
If you or I knew the complete truth, we would not have a vibration that would allow us to be in this astral plane and discussing this topic in this forum.
Aries01: Ha.. and I knew you would make these points also ...
For the purpose of the illustration of the point you have to assume that the Generator just exists!! ok?
..
For the purpose of the illustration of the point you have to assume that the Generator just exists!! ok?
..
you know what they say about assume 
In response to:
As to the behaviour of plants and the animal kingdom.. perhaps becoming more like them is our aim.. perhaps like the prodical son.. we have to go out there.. make our mistakes.. think we know it all and ultimately come to the realisation that there are no magic complex formula or answer and that the purpose of our existence is to do just that.. exist.. be.. to understand the world provides us with all that we need.. enough for everyone... nature doesn't question its existence, it just lives in harmony with the rest of nature.. taking what is necessary..no more..
As to the behaviour of plants and the animal kingdom.. perhaps becoming more like them is our aim.. perhaps like the prodical son.. we have to go out there.. make our mistakes.. think we know it all and ultimately come to the realisation that there are no magic complex formula or answer and that the purpose of our existence is to do just that.. exist.. be.. to understand the world provides us with all that we need.. enough for everyone... nature doesn't question its existence, it just lives in harmony with the rest of nature.. taking what is necessary..no more..
my god,I don't think I can debate this because of the possibility factor. I mean, there is a certain wisdom in accepting as all of life does, except us. We are the only beings (that we know of) who tend to run against the flow of life?
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p.s... OMG.. I find it sooo hard to debate with u.. u r just too damn good at this .. ur points are always so logical
p.s... OMG.. I find it sooo hard to debate with u.. u r just too damn good at this .. ur points are always so logical
and yet you persist..
debate needs two sides (at least) and this one, between you and I, is one of logic versus concept, though I tend to grasp your conceptual slices and then try to put them in linear adjuncts, I always find myself in some paradoxical whimsy. Debate is healthy and being uncomfortable in it at times only means our thoughts need re-addressing, re-configuring; don't you not think? east meets west, left meets right? 
BnaturAl: What is your god, who is he/her, or how would you describe him/her.
With the choice of 'us, the universe, life force, etc.. I would dismiss the 'us' out of the equation; 'us' is a mere product of this Life Energy, Force. So far from the tons of ideas presented by all types of 'religious' and philosophical works through the thousands of years, many are mere repetitions of previous writers expounding on what God is or is not; of what we humans are to all other life forms, to the Universe and ultimately to this 'Life Force' that ultimately we call God.
There has been no original exclusive idea as to what this God is, basically. Ideas from the ridiculous to the sublime from peoples, cultures , civilizations all over our planet, both ancient and modern have simply decided and defined this Life Force over time for their own particular time and place, subject to any changes by newer generations or by other s from the outside of their origins. There never has been a unanimous view or opinion since the fall of ancient Sumer. Humankind has been battling not only itself since, but battling for and against a planetary consensus as to what this Life Force God is and of our relationship with it is. Basically we as all humans, have been stranded without consensus, direction or any sort of coherent effort to answer, let alone have the will to accept one if one could be worked out. Too many chiefs with not enough Indians dilemma.
For myself, after reading the books of the French mystic/ Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, on the very phenomenon of Mankind and those of Fritjof Capra on the interconnections of all life on this planet, basically saying that we humans are only concerned with only a tiny part of some larger whole; yet every being has as much right to its life just as we do; that 'we' are not the center of the universe. There are millions of planets we don't know about yet, worlds we can perhaps hope to visit or communicate with some day, and, this Earth and the beings on it aren't at the center; rather, that we, the galaxy and all our universes themselves are just as tiny parts of the wisdom, beauty and everlasting mystery of 'God'.
All through the Time that people have tried to define this Force, the has, been one very interesting and new concept added by the historian. writer, mystic, etc. author Maurice M. Cotterell in that he has detected a cyclic appearance of 'manifestations' of this force into human forms through out the ages to each civilizations, all basically bringing the same 'gifts' to humans, be they Maya or Hindu and all the others. He certainly has noticed something of profound importance and explains it all rather well in his book SUPERGODS. Add this to those mentioned above and to many, many others, we have indeed a rational and mystical set of patterns emerging as to what this Life Force is, which also then reveals what it is not. "Fascinating!" as Spock would say...
BnaturAl: you right brained ambiguity you .. let them link if they will ... do we need religion to understand/sense god or the concept of?
one thing about religion is the congregational aspect, bringing together greater numbers of people for one common goal,(in prayer or whatever) which I find helpful in attaining goals per say, but not when organizers misuse the intent of communal gathering.
one thing about religion is the congregational aspect, bringing together greater numbers of people for one common goal,(in prayer or whatever) which I find helpful in attaining goals per say, but not when organizers misuse the intent of communal gathering.
Actually, I come out pretty close to 50/50 on those tests Al
The congregational aspect, in my opinion, falls down and will continue to do so till they all find the same hymn sheets - or get some new ones written and stop arguing about it all
We have one world and a common ancestry - shared within that ancestry are the beauteous experiences of this bounteous universe - I find it such a shame that theism spreads the words of disunity, and worse - that people are taken in by it still.
Its getting late and this earth is being sadly misused, the waters are full of poisons and natural resources are being wasted - but all pay obiesance to the fellah in the sky or some historical precepts - we need to be more aware of NOW..........
Yep, there is comfort for many in the congregational aspect, this I would never deny or denigrate - but is it really the real issue.........
StressFree: We are part of the source, but not the truth. We are connected to the god source, but we are not at the source level.
If you or I knew the complete truth, we would not have a vibration that would allow us to be in this astral plane and discussing this topic in this forum.
If you or I knew the complete truth, we would not have a vibration that would allow us to be in this astral plane and discussing this topic in this forum.
ok, for the sake of discussion I accept that we do not know the complete truth...OR do not know- that we do know the complete truth, as in haven't accepted it yet. (because our minds like to rationalize, and chat away at us, thus interfereing with our true selves and that knowledge).
and god said "let there be discussion"
BnaturAl: you know what they say about assume
my god,I don't think I can debate this because of the possibility factor. I mean, there is a certain wisdom in accepting as all of life does, except us. We are the only beings (that we know of) who tend to run against the flow of life?
and yet you persist.. debate needs two sides (at least) and this one, between you and I, is one of logic versus concept, though I tend to grasp your conceptual slices and then try to put them in linear adjuncts, I always find myself in some paradoxical whimsy. Debate is healthy and being uncomfortable in it at times only means our thoughts need re-addressing, re-configuring; don't you not think? east meets west, left meets right?
my god,I don't think I can debate this because of the possibility factor. I mean, there is a certain wisdom in accepting as all of life does, except us. We are the only beings (that we know of) who tend to run against the flow of life?
and yet you persist.. debate needs two sides (at least) and this one, between you and I, is one of logic versus concept, though I tend to grasp your conceptual slices and then try to put them in linear adjuncts, I always find myself in some paradoxical whimsy. Debate is healthy and being uncomfortable in it at times only means our thoughts need re-addressing, re-configuring; don't you not think? east meets west, left meets right?
Absolutely..:clapping:... this is why.. I miss u when u decide to disappear.. I love a good debate... and while we don't always agree I enjoy the points u make.. and believe it or not I do take them on board
BnaturAl: I like hindu aspects and budhist as well, but again your affirmation is the same as we are all ONE...co-creators? is not the sea many drops of the same water?
I get that we are the drop, singular as in you and I, her, he etc ... but as one we are the source? Lets change contradictory to 'paradoxical'
I get that we are the drop, singular as in you and I, her, he etc ... but as one we are the source? Lets change contradictory to 'paradoxical'
Oh, I should add and answer your question, AS ONE WE ARE THE SOURCE......paradoxical yes....
When we leave the source, we become physical...separate from the source but still part of the source.
BnaturAl: ok, for the sake of discussion I accept that we do not know the complete truth...OR do not know- that we do know the complete truth, as in haven't accepted it yet. (because our minds like to rationalize, and chat away at us, thus interfereing with our true selves and that knowledge).
and god said "let there be discussion"
and god said "let there be discussion"
Fine, lets see how you percieve this:
Seems like God, the Force, the generating power plant of All That Is, known by many names, is also curiosity. Curiosity is an incredible force. So when you take the most powerful force that is, and use just part of it, that curiosity is capable of manifesting in physical form anything that the force puts its attention on. So therefore you have a myriad of lifeforms, because the God Force is a very curious force. And the fact of thought at all, thinking of anything, takes it to manifestation. The thought creates, and we are one of many, many, many thoughts.
BnaturAl: much like trish's sentiment, so lets eschew the religion aspects and delve into just the god presence.
do we need to believe, or to accept, or just be?
do we need to believe, or to accept, or just be?
Read Heinlein!
Seriously, I have a strong tendency towards just being, If I am god (part of a universal force that embraces all) I already believe. If I am not god, well, the world trundles along just fine anyway. Violent, unfriendly and cruel but still trundling just fine.
And that is my stone skimming take on it.
Some interesting converstion, good thread Al.
solitare: With the choice of 'us, the universe, life force, etc.. I would dismiss the 'us' out of the equation; 'us' is a mere product of this Life Energy, Force. So far from the tons of ideas presented by all types of 'religious' and philosophical works through the thousands of years, many are mere repetitions of previous writers expounding on what God is or is not; of what we humans are to all other life forms, to the Universe and ultimately to this 'Life Force' that ultimately we call God.
There has been no original exclusive idea as to what this God is, basically. Ideas from the ridiculous to the sublime from peoples, cultures , civilizations all over our planet, both ancient and modern have simply decided and defined this Life Force over time for their own particular time and place, subject to any changes by newer generations or by other s from the outside of their origins. There never has been a unanimous view or opinion since the fall of ancient Sumer. Humankind has been battling not only itself since, but battling for and against a planetary consensus as to what this Life Force God is and of our relationship with it is. Basically we as all humans, have been stranded without consensus, direction or any sort of coherent effort to answer, let alone have the will to accept one if one could be worked out. Too many chiefs with not enough Indians dilemma.
For myself, after reading the books of the French mystic/ Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, on the very phenomenon of Mankind and those of Fritjof Capra on the interconnections of all life on this planet, basically saying that we humans are only concerned with only a tiny part of some larger whole; yet every being has as much right to its life just as we do; that 'we' are not the center of the universe. There are millions of planets we don't know about yet, worlds we can perhaps hope to visit or communicate with some day, and, this Earth and the beings on it aren't at the center; rather, that we, the galaxy and all our universes themselves are just as tiny parts of the wisdom, beauty and everlasting mystery of 'God'.
All through the Time that people have tried to define this Force, the has, been one very interesting and new concept added by the historian. writer, mystic, etc. author Maurice M. Cotterell in that he has detected a cyclic appearance of 'manifestations' of this force into human forms through out the ages to each civilizations, all basically bringing the same 'gifts' to humans, be they Maya or Hindu and all the others. He certainly has noticed something of profound importance and explains it all rather well in his book SUPERGODS. Add this to those mentioned above and to many, many others, we have indeed a rational and mystical set of patterns emerging as to what this Life Force is, which also then reveals what it is not. "Fascinating!" as Spock would say...
There has been no original exclusive idea as to what this God is, basically. Ideas from the ridiculous to the sublime from peoples, cultures , civilizations all over our planet, both ancient and modern have simply decided and defined this Life Force over time for their own particular time and place, subject to any changes by newer generations or by other s from the outside of their origins. There never has been a unanimous view or opinion since the fall of ancient Sumer. Humankind has been battling not only itself since, but battling for and against a planetary consensus as to what this Life Force God is and of our relationship with it is. Basically we as all humans, have been stranded without consensus, direction or any sort of coherent effort to answer, let alone have the will to accept one if one could be worked out. Too many chiefs with not enough Indians dilemma.
For myself, after reading the books of the French mystic/ Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, on the very phenomenon of Mankind and those of Fritjof Capra on the interconnections of all life on this planet, basically saying that we humans are only concerned with only a tiny part of some larger whole; yet every being has as much right to its life just as we do; that 'we' are not the center of the universe. There are millions of planets we don't know about yet, worlds we can perhaps hope to visit or communicate with some day, and, this Earth and the beings on it aren't at the center; rather, that we, the galaxy and all our universes themselves are just as tiny parts of the wisdom, beauty and everlasting mystery of 'God'.
All through the Time that people have tried to define this Force, the has, been one very interesting and new concept added by the historian. writer, mystic, etc. author Maurice M. Cotterell in that he has detected a cyclic appearance of 'manifestations' of this force into human forms through out the ages to each civilizations, all basically bringing the same 'gifts' to humans, be they Maya or Hindu and all the others. He certainly has noticed something of profound importance and explains it all rather well in his book SUPERGODS. Add this to those mentioned above and to many, many others, we have indeed a rational and mystical set of patterns emerging as to what this Life Force is, which also then reveals what it is not. "Fascinating!" as Spock would say...
intrinsically verbose and pointed as always solitare.
StressFree:
Seems like God, the Force, the generating power plant of All That Is, known by many names, is also curiosity. Curiosity is an incredible force. So when you take the most powerful force that is, and use just part of it, that curiosity is capable of manifesting in physical form anything that the force puts its attention on. So therefore you have a myriad of lifeforms, because the God Force is a very curious force. And the fact of thought at all, thinking of anything, takes it to manifestation. The thought creates, and we are one of many, many, many thoughts.
Seems like God, the Force, the generating power plant of All That Is, known by many names, is also curiosity. Curiosity is an incredible force. So when you take the most powerful force that is, and use just part of it, that curiosity is capable of manifesting in physical form anything that the force puts its attention on. So therefore you have a myriad of lifeforms, because the God Force is a very curious force. And the fact of thought at all, thinking of anything, takes it to manifestation. The thought creates, and we are one of many, many, many thoughts.
The more questions we ask the more questions are brought up. It seems to be never-ending. We will probably never be able to understand it at all in this astral plane of cruel vibrations. There will always be more complicated concepts just beyond our reach. Yet for me and my crazy-insatiable curiosity that is the excitement of the search and the adventure of probing the unknown. I aint stoppin on this journey.
solitare: Basically we as all humans, have been stranded without consensus, direction or any sort of coherent effort to answer, let alone have the will to accept one if one could be worked out. Too many chiefs with not enough Indians dilemma.
For myself, after reading the books of the French mystic/ Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, on the very phenomenon of Mankind
"Fascinating!" as Spock would say...
For myself, after reading the books of the French mystic/ Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, on the very phenomenon of Mankind
"Fascinating!" as Spock would say...
The Jesuits did indeed produce some amazing scholars Solitare
I have Chardins 'On Love' which has been one of my most treasured posessions for many years.I Just thought I would post some of his quotes and hope nobody minds...........
Growing old is like being increasingly penalized for a crime you haven't committed.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
He that will believe only what he can fully comprehend must have a long head or a very short creed.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
In the final analysis, the questions of why bad things happen to good people transmutes itself into some very different questions, no longer asking why something happened, but asking how we will respond, what we intend to do now that it happened.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
It is our duty as men and women to proceed as though the limits of our abilities do not exist.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Love alone can unite living beings so as to complete and fulfill them... for it alone joins them by what is deepest in themselves. All we need is to imagine our ability to love developing until it embraces the totality of men and the earth.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Love is the affinity which links and draws together the elements of the world... Love, in fact, is the agent of universal synthesis.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Our duty, as men and women, is to proceed as if limits to our ability did not exist. We are collaborators in creation.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Someday, after mastering the winds, the waves, the tides and gravity, we shall harness for God the energies of love, and then, for a second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
The most satisfying thing in life is to have been able to give a large part of one's self to others.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
The world is round so that friendship may encircle it.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
StressFree: The more questions we ask the more questions are brought up. It seems to be never-ending. We will probably never be able to understand it at all in this astral plane of cruel vibrations. There will always be more complicated concepts just beyond our reach. Yet for me and my crazy-insatiable curiosity that is the excitement of the search and the adventure of probing the unknown. I aint stoppin on this journey.
the next step... and the next... and the nextStressFree: The more questions we ask the more questions are brought up. It seems to be never-ending. We will probably never be able to understand it at all in this astral plane of cruel vibrations. There will always be more complicated concepts just beyond our reach. Yet for me and my crazy-insatiable curiosity that is the excitement of the search and the adventure of probing the unknown. I aint stoppin on this journey.
Hiya
... will you explain this concept of Astral Plane to me? I have heard bits about Astral projection and all that kind of stuff.. but I am not sure conceptually what an 'Astral Plane' represents..Aries01: Absolutely..:clapping:... this is why.. I miss u when u decide to disappear.. I love a good debate... and while we don't always agree I enjoy the points u make.. and believe it or not I do take them on board
stir my soul 
nice to be missed
... but if we are one, is the missing real? 
Trish123: In the final analysis, the questions of why bad things happen to good people transmutes itself into some very different questions, no longer asking why something happened, but asking how we will respond, what we intend to do now that it happened.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Words to live by, as are many of his.
StressFree: Fine, lets see how you percieve this:
Seems like God, the Force, the generating power plant of All That Is, known by many names, is also curiosity. Curiosity is an incredible force. So when you take the most powerful force that is, and use just part of it, that curiosity is capable of manifesting in physical form anything that the force puts its attention on. So therefore you have a myriad of lifeforms, because the God Force is a very curious force. And the fact of thought at all, thinking of anything, takes it to manifestation. The thought creates, and we are one of many, many, many thoughts.
Seems like God, the Force, the generating power plant of All That Is, known by many names, is also curiosity. Curiosity is an incredible force. So when you take the most powerful force that is, and use just part of it, that curiosity is capable of manifesting in physical form anything that the force puts its attention on. So therefore you have a myriad of lifeforms, because the God Force is a very curious force. And the fact of thought at all, thinking of anything, takes it to manifestation. The thought creates, and we are one of many, many, many thoughts.
thoughts are seeds dude, have always bought, maintained and planned as such.
are they my thoughts or thoughts from the conciousness of the universe?
bajanblue: Words to live by, as are many of his.
Yet another writer we have in common?
StressFree: Oh, I should add and answer your question, AS ONE WE ARE THE SOURCE......paradoxical yes....
When we leave the source, we become physical...separate from the source but still part of the source.
When we leave the source, we become physical...separate from the source but still part of the source.
now you're outsourcing
Its difficult if you understand and are concious of this source to be physical and cognizant at the same time but I do think they are inextricable until the physical passes on. Where we focus our attention is where we aretrish123: Yet another writer we have in common?
I am not surprised,
bajanblue: Read Heinlein!
Seriously, I have a strong tendency towards just being, If I am god (part of a universal force that embraces all) I already believe. If I am not god, well, the world trundles along just fine anyway. Violent, unfriendly and cruel but still trundling just fine.
And that is my stone skimming take on it.
Some interesting converstion, good thread Al.
Seriously, I have a strong tendency towards just being, If I am god (part of a universal force that embraces all) I already believe. If I am not god, well, the world trundles along just fine anyway. Violent, unfriendly and cruel but still trundling just fine.
And that is my stone skimming take on it.
Some interesting converstion, good thread Al.
thanks bajan ... forever kissing the sky is how I see you... hope u and buddha never meet. BnaturAl: now you're outsourcing Its difficult if you understand and are concious of this source to be physical and cognizant at the same time but I do think they are inextricable until the physical passes on. Where we focus our attention is where we are
I am having urges towards adding acceptance to being watching once again what happens when we try to analyse the ineffable.
trish123: The Jesuits did indeed produce some amazing scholars Solitare I have Chardins 'On Love' which has been one of my most treasured posessions for many years.
I Just thought I would post some of his quotes and hope nobody minds...........
Growing old is like being increasingly penalized for a crime you haven't committed.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
He that will believe only what he can fully comprehend must have a long head or a very short creed.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
In the final analysis, the questions of why bad things happen to good people transmutes itself into some very different questions, no longer asking why something happened, but asking how we will respond, what we intend to do now that it happened.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
It is our duty as men and women to proceed as though the limits of our abilities do not exist.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Love alone can unite living beings so as to complete and fulfill them... for it alone joins them by what is deepest in themselves. All we need is to imagine our ability to love developing until it embraces the totality of men and the earth.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Love is the affinity which links and draws together the elements of the world... Love, in fact, is the agent of universal synthesis.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Our duty, as men and women, is to proceed as if limits to our ability did not exist. We are collaborators in creation.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Someday, after mastering the winds, the waves, the tides and gravity, we shall harness for God the energies of love, and then, for a second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
The most satisfying thing in life is to have been able to give a large part of one's self to others.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
The world is round so that friendship may encircle it.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
I Just thought I would post some of his quotes and hope nobody minds...........
Growing old is like being increasingly penalized for a crime you haven't committed.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
He that will believe only what he can fully comprehend must have a long head or a very short creed.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
In the final analysis, the questions of why bad things happen to good people transmutes itself into some very different questions, no longer asking why something happened, but asking how we will respond, what we intend to do now that it happened.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
It is our duty as men and women to proceed as though the limits of our abilities do not exist.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Love alone can unite living beings so as to complete and fulfill them... for it alone joins them by what is deepest in themselves. All we need is to imagine our ability to love developing until it embraces the totality of men and the earth.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Love is the affinity which links and draws together the elements of the world... Love, in fact, is the agent of universal synthesis.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Our duty, as men and women, is to proceed as if limits to our ability did not exist. We are collaborators in creation.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Someday, after mastering the winds, the waves, the tides and gravity, we shall harness for God the energies of love, and then, for a second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
The most satisfying thing in life is to have been able to give a large part of one's self to others.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
The world is round so that friendship may encircle it.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
BnaturAl: now you're outsourcing Its difficult if you understand and are concious of this source to be physical and cognizant at the same time but I do think they are inextricable until the physical passes on. Where we focus our attention is where we are
Maybe for you, but not for me....and yes very perplexing indeed. Yes, focus on the now because that is what we can control with your thoughts and actions....good or bad and in between.
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as is life? IMHO we are what we figmentalize ( a new word