Hot_Single_Dude: It says you are spinning as usual TT and this Saudi king BS is paying THAT traitor Fox News BS of ur guys on order to destroy America and pleasing Taliban and Alqueda
Try the State Department Document of Gift to Gov't Official list.
I did a little digging into how the GWB administration handled the 2005 Egyptian Election.
First off the Moubarak won with 88.6% of the vote. I am coughing too. That is not 88.6% friendly voter faces down in the streets of Cairo right now. So obviously some very big election fraud went on here.
After the election....Moubarak imprison one of the leading opponents. Ayman Nour. A liberal and party organizer of the El Ghad party.
This was the first contested election since Moubarak came to office in 30 years. That ought to say something as well.
Soon after Nour arrest....Condi Rice was to have a meeting with Moubarak. She cancelled.
Then later Nour was given a 5 year prison sentence.
The White House statement was this;
"The US is deeply troubled by the conviction today of Egyptian politician Ayman Nour by a Egyptian court.The conviction of Mr. Nour, the runner up in the 2005 Presidential election calls into question Egypt's commitment to Democracy, Freedom, and Rule of law......The United States calls on Egypt to act under the laws of Egypt, to act in it professed desire for increased political openness and dialogue with the Egyptian society with a humantiarian concern to release Mr. Nour."
IN 2007, GWB spoke at a dissenter conference....in Prague.... yes GBW spoke at this.
"There are many dissidents that could not join us here today because they are being unjustly imprisoned or held under house arrest. I look forward to a day when a conference like this one includes Alexander Kozulin of Bellarussia, Aung San Suu Kyi of Burma, Oscar Elias Biscet of Cuba, Father Nguyen Van Ly of Veit Nam and Ayman Nour of Egypt. The daughter of one of these dissenters is in the room, I would like to see her and the families of all the others. I thank you for your courage. I pray for their comfort and strength. And I call for the immediate and unconditional release of all your loved ones...I have asked Sect Rice to send out a message to all US Ambassador of the un-free nations. Seek out and meet with activist for democracy. Seek out those who demand human rights."
In Feb of 2009, Mr. Nour was released. Today he is in a Egyptian hospital from a stone thrown in the protest that struck him in the head.
GBW mistake here...and I think that it was one. Was not in denouncing the 2005 election as being fruadlent. But unless he has proof that is a hard claim to make. Like the recent Iranian election, were Pres. A got 75% of the vote. The US cannot claim a fruadlent election occurred unless there is proof to such.
But to their credit, GWB's Administration did much, at the time for the parties like Mr. Nour that were being imprisoned in Moubarak's Egypt for release.
We can talk about the 1.5b that the US gov't gives to the Egyptian in aid. Much of that is aid to the civilians of the country and to their institutions. But also those are American made tanks rolling thru the streets of Cairo at the order of President Moubarak.
ttom500: I did a little digging into how the GWB administration handled the 2005 Egyptian Election.
First off the Moubarak won with 88.6% of the vote. I am coughing too. That is not 88.6% friendly voter faces down in the streets of Cairo right now. So obviously some very big election fraud went on here.After the election....Moubarak imprison one of the leading opponents. Ayman Nour. A liberal and party organizer of the El Ghad party.
This was the first contested election since Moubarak came to office in 30 years. That ought to say something as well.
Soon after Nour arrest....Condi Rice was to have a meeting with Moubarak. She cancelled.
Then later Nour was given a 5 year prison sentence.
The White House statement was this;
"The US is deeply troubled by the conviction today of Egyptian politician Ayman Nour by a Egyptian court.The conviction of Mr. Nour, the runner up in the 2005 Presidential election calls into question Egypt's commitment to Democracy, Freedom, and Rule of law......The United States calls on Egypt to act under the laws of Egypt, to act in it professed desire for increased political openness and dialogue with the Egyptian society with a humantiarian concern to release Mr. Nour."
IN 2007, GWB spoke at a dissenter conference....in Prague.... yes GBW spoke at this.
"There are many dissidents that could not join us here today because they are being unjustly imprisoned or held under house arrest. I look forward to a day when a conference like this one includes Alexander Kozulin of Bellarussia, Aung San Suu Kyi of Burma, Oscar Elias Biscet of Cuba, Father Nguyen Van Ly of Veit Nam and Ayman Nour of Egypt. The daughter of one of these dissenters is in the room, I would like to see her and the families of all the others. I thank you for your courage. I pray for their comfort and strength. And I call for the immediate and unconditional release of all your loved ones...I have asked Sect Rice to send out a message to all US Ambassador of the un-free nations. Seek out and meet with activist for democracy. Seek out those who demand human rights."
In Feb of 2009, Mr. Nour was released. Today he is in a Egyptian hospital from a stone thrown in the protest that struck him in the head.
GBW mistake here...and I think that it was one. Was not in denouncing the 2005 election as being fruadlent. But unless he has proof that is a hard claim to make. Like the recent Iranian election, were Pres. A got 75% of the vote. The US cannot claim a fruadlent election occurred unless there is proof to such.
But to their credit, GWB's Administration did much, at the time for the parties like Mr. Nour that were being imprisoned in Moubarak's Egypt for release.
We can talk about the 1.5b that the US gov't gives to the Egyptian in aid. Much of that is aid to the civilians of the country and to their institutions. But also those are American made tanks rolling thru the streets of Cairo at the order of President Moubarak.
I'm thinking the same thing here. Obama got 56% of the vote. Looking back, there had to be some voter fraud. There's no way 56% of the country could have been idiots.
I'm thinking that if Egypt had 6% growth last year and the Egyptians are unhappy and want Mubarak (sp?) to go; and we only had 3% economic growth will Obama go too!
jvaski: I'm cancelling my next scuba trip to the Caribbean..and going to Indiana !!
In Indiana - I'm going to visit .....ummmm.....uhhhhh..... and see the ......ummmmm.....errr....uhhhh......
Then again.......I could just drive an hour to Reno ...and see the same sort of delapidation in American society - and save the plane flight money ............
jvaski: Then again.......I could just drive an hour to Reno ...and see the same sort of delapidation in American society - and save the plane flight money ............
Reno??? Yes, good idea JV, maybe you'll get lucky!!!
jvaski: Then again.......I could just drive an hour to Reno ...and see the same sort of delapidation in American society - and save the plane flight money ............
better yet, save the time and look out the window.
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Try the State Department Document of Gift to Gov't Official list.