IMO is a interwined situation for some heavy borrowed countries like Greece,and as am not an economist,from the articles i read,and the proposals some experts advice,they are hopping the situation to straighten out.How long is going to take not even the experts know.
Albertaghost: How do you think things are going to go there Chris? I ask because there are similar problems happening in other countries.
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chris27292729: IMO is a interwined situation for some heavy borrowed countries like Greece,and as am not an economist,from the articles i read,and the proposals some experts advice,they are hopping the situation to straighten out.How long is going to take not even the experts know.
We seem pretty insulated here on the surface and, while there is oil where I am the rest of the country has not. It's divided between resource heavy portions, farming, fishing and industry but, if people can't buy the stuff we reap and make then what is it worth?
It's a global problem for sure. Maybe understanding how it interconnects is the key but as well, making changes that help all is also the key and that take s one hell of a lot of smarts and organization.
SCatlyn: History will be much better to him. It's been proven again & again... history shows a much more accurate picture of the past. Maybe b/c there's a bigger picture after years pass, along w/hindsight.
(Though I knew who your pick for worst was from previous posts, and still don't agree-lol)
thats the worst understanding of Lincoln I've ever heard.
Now that weve lost thousands of our finest soldiers and nearly bankrupted our country, whats the thanks from Iraq? No oil business for us, the huge wealth american cons expected is going elsewhere, weve been blackballed!
gininitaly: What government, checks and balances?... there is no government, they're all either coerced or bought by the money and they make sure that keeps flowing. I mean you really still believe there are parties? Whatever.
I'm sorta surprised that someone who so obviously plays political favorites like you do with everything democrat = good and everything republican = bad admitting that you feel there aren't any different parties, checks and balances or any choice that isn't coerced or "bought by the money" (as opposed to barter notes?). If you frequently go onto partisan rants, shrugging your shoulders and saying "I don't really care and it doesn't really matter" is a bit of a flip-flop.
gardenhackle: I'm sorta surprised that someone who so obviously plays political favorites like you do with everything democrat = good and everything republican = bad admitting that you feel there aren't any different parties, checks and balances or any choice that isn't coerced or "bought by the money" (as opposed to barter notes?). If you frequently go onto partisan rants, shrugging your shoulders and saying "I don't really care and it doesn't really matter" is a bit of a flip-flop.
But like you say.... whatever.
The CS pitbull... biting anybody being stupid... Where can I get that wisdom calling something I do not like STUPID?
Albertaghost: Well, Abe killed more of his own people than Saddam Hussien did, not as many as Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot but certainly more than the latest villains Mubarak and Gaddafi did.
Bush - freed fifty million people.
That ranks as the dumbest thing I ever read. Where are these 50 million Iraqis? They are in Jordan, Syria, Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Lebanon, or dead. If you love George Bush so much why don't you petition to get him to come to Canada and be your PM or whatever you call it. BTW, you're treading on very thin ice dissing Abraham Lincoln.
Antjo39: The CS pitbull... biting anybody being stupid... Where can I get that wisdom calling something I do not like STUPID?
Why ask me? I didn't call anyone stupid. I mentioned my surprise at actions that go one way and a statement that is in direct contradiction to the actions. Now you can call that puzzling... or self-contradicting... or a bit of a conundrum.
But you want to call that person stupid? Why? It's rude and inappropriate and against the rules here. But if you want to call something you don't like stupid, that's your business. But I'd be careful about that since a lot of what you don't like makes perfect sense and a lot of what you DO like is... well.... nevermind.
Historians treat Warren Harding as a near Zero. I seem to have developed a considerable antipathy for LBJ,among Presidents of our time. He was little more than a Thug,IMO.
wonderworker: Historians treat Warren Harding as a near Zero. I seem to have developed a considerable antipathy for LBJ,among Presidents of our time. He was little more than a Thug,IMO.
ooby_dooby: That ranks as the dumbest thing I ever read. Where are these 50 million Iraqis? They are in Jordan, Syria, Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Lebanon, or dead. If you love George Bush so much why don't you petition to get him to come to Canada and be your PM or whatever you call it. BTW, you're treading on very thin ice dissing Abraham Lincoln.
I totally agree Ooby...Pretty brain-dead statement! Freed them from what? Now that hes FINALLY gone I see the middle east working to free itself. Im pretty sure if you made that statement to the average Iraqui they would dissagree. I lived in Fla. when he was elected the second time...the eerie thing was NO-ONE voted for him...Now how does that work exactly??
gardenhackle: I'm sorta surprised that someone who so obviously plays political favorites like you do with everything democrat = good and everything republican = bad admitting that you feel there aren't any different parties, checks and balances or any choice that isn't coerced or "bought by the money" (as opposed to barter notes?). If you frequently go onto partisan rants, shrugging your shoulders and saying "I don't really care and it doesn't really matter" is a bit of a flip-flop.
But like you say.... whatever.
I've learned they're all dirt and so I'm waiting for the real Americans to rise up and bounce your sorry assets.
venusenvy: I totally agree Ooby...Pretty brain-dead statement! Freed them from what? Now that hes FINALLY gone I see the middle east working to free itself. Im pretty sure if you made that statement to the average Iraqui they would dissagree. I lived in Fla. when he was elected the second time...the eerie thing was NO-ONE voted for him...Now how does that work exactly??
venusenvy: I totally agree Ooby...Pretty brain-dead statement! Freed them from what? Now that hes FINALLY gone I see the middle east working to free itself. Im pretty sure if you made that statement to the average Iraqui they would dissagree. I lived in Fla. when he was elected the second time...the eerie thing was NO-ONE voted for him...Now how does that work exactly??
It is what it is....If ur brother is govenor and u need the state to win, then so be it....Just think how differently things could have been for the world, if that election had not been stolen....
gardenhackle: I wonder what sort of real Americans would meet your approval, LOL.
The honest, the brave and the righteous... you know your diametric opposites... ready to fight for what has been stolen from them from your right wing bait and switch boys who have divided my country for the sake of you billfolds.
Buffy327: It is what it is....If ur brother is govenor and u need the state to win, then so be it....Just think how differently things could have been for the world, if that election had not been stolen....
Gore would have won and America would not have been hit so hard with the reccesion sadly
Maybe, maybe not, but history can be changed by one man. I believe it would be a different world if Gore had taken the election instead of stepping back
venusenvy: I totally agree Ooby...Pretty brain-dead statement! Freed them from what? Now that hes FINALLY gone I see the middle east working to free itself. Im pretty sure if you made that statement to the average Iraqui they would dissagree. I lived in Fla. when he was elected the second time...the eerie thing was NO-ONE voted for him...Now how does that work exactly??
Dated a gal who a few years ago who's family was involved in the UAW, as were her family members. She told me that they all voted for Reagan in 1984 even though the UAW endorsed Mondale. People don't necessarily vote the way you'd think. They're not obligated to tell the truth either as to whom they voted for...(or against). It's a private ballot.
venusenvy: Maybe, maybe not, but history can be changed by one man. I believe it would be a different world if Gore had taken the election instead of stepping back
Yep. I'd have a big giant ugly windmill in my back yard.
Buffy327: It is what it is....If ur brother is govenor and u need the state to win, then so be it....Just think how differently things could have been for the world, if that election had not been stolen....
gininitaly: The honest, the brave and the righteous... you know your diametric opposites... ready to fight for what has been stolen from them from your right wing bait and switch boys who have divided my country for the sake of you billfolds.
Ahhh... yes.... the honest, brave and righteous... the diametric opposite of me and all other conservatives... the people who defend the principles that made this country great. Why, you must be talking about your progressive brothers and sisters in arms, LOL. Honesty, bravery and righteous.... they're whatever you want them to be these days, I see.
venusenvy: Maybe, maybe not, but history can be changed by one man. I believe it would be a different world if Gore had taken the election instead of stepping back
Gore would have to "have taken" the election since he legitimately lost it.
The New York Times (which is no more than an extension of the Democrat Party) printed the following article after all the recounts were done:
Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote By FORD FESSENDEN and JOHN M. BRODER Published: November 12, 2001
Acomprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward. Contrary to what many partisans of former Vice President Al Gore have charged, the United States Supreme Court did not award an election to Mr. Bush that otherwise would have been won by Mr. Gore. A close examination of the ballots found that Mr. Bush would have retained a slender margin over Mr. Gore if the Florida court's order to recount more than 43,000 ballots had not been reversed by the United States Supreme Court.
Even under the strategy that Mr. Gore pursued at the beginning of the Florida standoff — filing suit to force hand recounts in four predominantly Democratic counties — Mr. Bush would have kept his lead, according to the ballot review conducted for a consortium of news organizations.
But the consortium, looking at a broader group of rejected ballots than those covered in the court decisions, 175,010 in all, found that Mr. Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots. This also assumes that county canvassing boards would have reached the same conclusions about the disputed ballots that the consortium's independent observers did. The findings indicate that Mr. Gore might have eked out a victory if he had pursued in court a course like the one he publicly advocated when he called on the state to "count all the votes."
In addition, the review found statistical support for the complaints of many voters, particularly elderly Democrats in Palm Beach County, who said in interviews after the election that confusing ballot designs may have led them to spoil their ballots by voting for more than one candidate.(my insertion: these ballots that elderly democrats were unable to understand were designed by the demcrat party in Florida)
More than 113,000 voters cast ballots for two or more presidential candidates. Of those, 75,000 chose Mr. Gore and a minor candidate; 29,000 chose Mr. Bush and a minor candidate. Because there was no clear indication of what the voters intended, those numbers were not included in the consortium's final tabulations.
Thus the most thorough examination of Florida's uncounted ballots provides ammunition for both sides in what remains the most disputed and mystifying presidential election in modern times. It illuminates in detail the weaknesses of Florida's system that prevented many from voting as they intended to. But it also provides support for the result that county election officials and the courts ultimately arrived at — a Bush victory by the tiniest of margins.
The study, conducted over the last 10 months by a consortium of eight news organizations assisted by professional statisticians, examined numerous hypothetical ways of recounting the Florida ballots. Under some methods, Mr. Gore would have emerged the winner; in others, Mr. Bush. But in each one, the margin of victory was smaller than the 537- vote lead that state election officials ultimately awarded Mr. Bush.
Now...on my next post I will play the "beat a dead horse" u-tube video.
toxicaura: Depends on what website Heres my source did paldi provode your info?George Walker Bush Richard Bruce Cheney
Party: REPUBLICAN Home State: Bush - TX ; Cheney - WY Electoral Votes: 271 Popular Votes: 50,456,002 (47.9%) Al Gore Albert Arnold Gore, Jr. Joseph Isador Lieberman
Party: DEMOCRATIC Home State: Gore - TN ; Lieberman - CT Electoral Votes: 266 Popular Votes: 50,999,897 (48.4%) Ralph Nader Ralph Nader Winona LaDuke
Party: Green Home State: Nader - CT ; LaDuke - MN Electoral Votes: 0 Popular Votes: 2,882,955 (2.7%) Other Candidates
Party: Reform, Libertarian, Constitution, et al. Electoral Votes: 0 Popular Votes: 1,066,246 (1.0%)
Excellent. Your source states that George Bush won the election, either.
Oh wait... you're trying to use that fuzzy math routine where you substitute electoral votes with "popular votes". Right.
Why don't you explain to your bookie that you really won the world series bet because even though your team lost 4 games, they scored more runs.
Yep, sure enough, if you change the rules after the game is played, you can claim a win in just about any game with just about any play. But you better be ten feet tall and bulletproof because no one else is going to go for it.
gardenhackle: Excellent. Your source states that George Bush won the election, either.
Oh wait... you're trying to use that fuzzy math routine where you substitute electoral votes with "popular votes". Right.
Why don't you explain to your bookie that you really won the world series bet because even though your team lost 4 games, they scored more runs.
Yep, sure enough, if you change the rules after the game is played, you can claim a win in just about any game with just about any play. But you better be ten feet tall and bulletproof because no one else is going to go for it.
can't pull much past you but yes is popular votes did rule then the findings would be Gore did win
gardenhackle: Excellent. Your source states that George Bush won the election, either.
Oh wait... you're trying to use that fuzzy math routine where you substitute electoral votes with "popular votes". Right.
Why don't you explain to your bookie that you really won the world series bet because even though your team lost 4 games, they scored more runs.
Yep, sure enough, if you change the rules after the game is played, you can claim a win in just about any game with just about any play. But you better be ten feet tall and bulletproof because no one else is going to go for it.
P.S. I see today is make my rounds and correct all evils day. I will watch my posts
toxicaura: Depends on what website Heres my source did paldi provode your info?George Walker Bush Richard Bruce Cheney
Party: REPUBLICAN Home State: Bush - TX ; Cheney - WY Electoral Votes: 271 Popular Votes: 50,456,002 (47.9%) Al Gore Albert Arnold Gore, Jr. Joseph Isador Lieberman
Party: DEMOCRATIC Home State: Gore - TN ; Lieberman - CT Electoral Votes: 266 Popular Votes: 50,999,897 (48.4%) Ralph Nader Ralph Nader Winona LaDuke
Party: Green Home State: Nader - CT ; LaDuke - MN Electoral Votes: 0 Popular Votes: 2,882,955 (2.7%) Other Candidates
Party: Reform, Libertarian, Constitution, et al. Electoral Votes: 0 Popular Votes: 1,066,246 (1.0%)
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