Worst US President; (134)
JeanMarlowMiddle of Nowhere, California USA17 Threads 815 Postsgardenhackle: Presidential historians have already fielded the question about whether or not Bush was the worst president in history and he's not.
He is rated 39 out of 43! That's not actually good.....
JeanMarlow: He is rated 39 out of 43! That's not actually good.....
A 2010 Siena poll of 238 Presidential scholars found that former president George W. Bush was ranked 39th out of 43, with poor ratings in handling of the economy, communication, ability to compromise, foreign policy accomplishments and intelligence. Meanwhile, the current president, Barack Obama was ranked 15th out of 43, with high ratings for imagination, communication ability and intelligence and a low rating for background (family, education and experience).
gardenhackle: Different, definitely. Better.... that's not nearly so easy to say. Nader is a nutcase. Hard to say if he would have had much of an impact as president, though. We give presidents a lot more credit and blame than they really deserve. The checks and balances in our government keep really bad presidents from doing too much damage. Like the Iraq war - wouldn't have happened without a democrat congress approving it.
In fact I was much more innocent then... hadn't yet realized that it was all out of our hands and has been for a long time.
Nutcase huh... like that matters?
What government, checks and balances?... there is no government, they're all either coerced or bought by the money and they make sure that keeps flowing. I mean you really still believe there are parties? Whatever.
gardenhackle: Who voted or didn't vote for him has no bearing on whether he was the worst president in the US. Presidential historians have already fielded the question about whether or not Bush was the worst president in history and he's not.
As to why people voted for him? Gore and Kerry. HELLLLOOOOOO!!!!!!
How many idiots will admit they voted that lunatic Gore or "Gee, did I mention I'm a Vietnam Vet" Kerry?
As to why people voted for him? Gore and Kerry. HELLLLOOOOOO!!!!!!
How many idiots will admit they voted that lunatic Gore or "Gee, did I mention I'm a Vietnam Vet" Kerry?
Oops...I didn't see your post or I'd not have made the prior.
By George F. Will
Sunday, November 30, 2008
Early in what became the Great Depression, John Maynard Keynes was asked if anything similar had ever happened. "Yes," he replied, "it was called the Dark Ages, and it lasted 400 years." It did take 25 years, until November 1954, for the Dow to return to the peak it reached in September 1929. So caution is sensible concerning calls for a new New Deal.
The assumption is that the New Deal vanquished the Depression. Intelligent, informed people differ about why the Depression lasted so long. But people whose recipe for recovery today is another New Deal should remember that America's biggest industrial collapse occurred in 1937, eight years after the 1929 stock market crash and nearly five years into the New Deal. In 1939, after a decade of frantic federal spending -- President Herbert Hoover increased it more than 50 percent between 1929 and the inauguration of Franklin Roosevelt -- unemployment was 17.2 percent.
"I say after eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started," lamented Henry Morgenthau, FDR's Treasury secretary. Unemployment declined when America began selling materials to nations engaged in a war America would soon join.
The war saved Roosevelt's "legacy"...otherwise we'd have had 12 years of depression.
Sunday, November 30, 2008
Early in what became the Great Depression, John Maynard Keynes was asked if anything similar had ever happened. "Yes," he replied, "it was called the Dark Ages, and it lasted 400 years." It did take 25 years, until November 1954, for the Dow to return to the peak it reached in September 1929. So caution is sensible concerning calls for a new New Deal.
The assumption is that the New Deal vanquished the Depression. Intelligent, informed people differ about why the Depression lasted so long. But people whose recipe for recovery today is another New Deal should remember that America's biggest industrial collapse occurred in 1937, eight years after the 1929 stock market crash and nearly five years into the New Deal. In 1939, after a decade of frantic federal spending -- President Herbert Hoover increased it more than 50 percent between 1929 and the inauguration of Franklin Roosevelt -- unemployment was 17.2 percent.
"I say after eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started," lamented Henry Morgenthau, FDR's Treasury secretary. Unemployment declined when America began selling materials to nations engaged in a war America would soon join.
The war saved Roosevelt's "legacy"...otherwise we'd have had 12 years of depression.
Swissblueeyes: ya i voted bush # 2 as the worst
Logical choice considering his Presidency. how are you??
3 Democrats,and if Karl Marx was an American President makes 4 NO good,just because you are a Republican.
gardenhackle: Next poll:
So far, over 50% of the respondents choosing Bush II are dead wrong because:
1. They're still sore because Gore lost
2. They're still mad because Clinton got impeached
3. They're commie pinkos who hate anyone positioned right of Karl Marx
4. They have no idea how bad Jimmy Carter was
So far, over 50% of the respondents choosing Bush II are dead wrong because:
1. They're still sore because Gore lost
2. They're still mad because Clinton got impeached
3. They're commie pinkos who hate anyone positioned right of Karl Marx
4. They have no idea how bad Jimmy Carter was
God choice.
gininitaly: I voted for Ralph Nader... ever heard of him? we might have been a much different place if we had.
Like the one FRB overprints and after a while,will have no value at all.-
gardenhackle: No, the world hates Americans because we don't give a rip whether you approve of our politics or not and because we're big enough, rich enough and powerful enough that no amount of smug tongue wagging from Europeans gets any reaction from us except a one-finger salute.
Hate us all you want. You'll still be asking for US help and money. How does that make you feel? Depending so heavily on people you hate?
Hate us all you want. You'll still be asking for US help and money. How does that make you feel? Depending so heavily on people you hate?
RayfromUSA: Let's see who wins.
I never thought I would see a worse president than L. B. Johnson , then along comes G.W. Bush ! . . . . 
. . . . . . Does it mean anything that they are both from Texas ? ? ? ? ? ? 
onecountryboy: William James:" Thinking to most people is simply the rearranging of their prejudgices". The opinions of most people are emotional not intellectual.
Or so says the guy who never learned to spell LOL
Or so says the guy who never learned to spell LOL
I saw a similiar quote in a college Psych book; those who say they aren't prejudice have artfully re-arranged them.
Frankinstien: I never thought I would see a worse president than L. B. Johnson , then along comes G.W. Bush ! . . . . . . . . . . Does it mean anything that they are both from Texas ? ? ? ? ? ?
You forgot Jimbo Carter!
Conrad73: You forgot Jimbo Carter!
He's not from Texas !I've got to say Hoover with his pushing through of the Smoot-Hawley Act.
amahlala: I've got to say Hoover with his pushing through of the Smoot-Hawley Act.
I'd want to review who presided over each House of Congress...also if there was a public fervor for the act.
amahlala: I can't say that I would want to...that little tidbit came from five days worth of research on the Great Depression...all for a three page essay...
Ouch... at least you have the internet. I remember going to damn college libraries and scouring for reference material.
John3405: Carter was a disgrace to this country!!
A disgrace? I think most Americans are duly proud of what Jimmy Carter has done since he left office even Republicans. Even though he is often a target of ridicule from the right, the only ex president who has even come close to what he's done is Bill Clinton. Here is just a small sample:President Carter and The Carter Center have engaged in conflict mediation in Ethiopia and Eritrea (1989), North Korea (1994), Liberia (1994), Haiti (1994), Bosnia (1994), Sudan (1995), the Great Lakes region of Africa (1995-96), Sudan and Uganda (1999), Venezuela (2002-2003), Nepal (2004-2008), and Ecuador and Colombia (2008).Under his leadership The Carter Center has sent eighty-three election-monitoring missions to the Americas, Africa, and Asia.These include Panama (1989), Nicaragua (1990), Guyana (1992), China (1997), Nigeria (1998), Indonesia (1999), East Timor (1999), Mexico (2000), Guatemala (2003), Venezuela (2004), Ethiopia (2005), Liberia (2005), the Democratic Republic of the Congo (2006), Nepal (2008), Lebanon (2009), and Sudan (2010, 2011).
Not to mention his other work with Habitat For Humanities building houses for the homeless. And you have the gall to call him a disgrace?
What did Nixon do after he left office? Or both Bushes, or Reagan, or Ford or Eisenhower or LBJ or Truman?
ooby_dooby: A disgrace? I think most Americans are duly proud of what Jimmy Carter has done since he left office even Republicans. Even though he is often a target of ridicule from the right, the only ex president who has even come close to what he's done is Bill Clinton. Here is just a small sample:
President Carter and The Carter Center have engaged in conflict mediation in Ethiopia and Eritrea (1989), North Korea (1994), Liberia (1994), Haiti (1994), Bosnia (1994), Sudan (1995), the Great Lakes region of Africa (1995-96), Sudan and Uganda (1999), Venezuela (2002-2003), Nepal (2004-2008), and Ecuador and Colombia (2008).Under his leadership The Carter Center has sent eighty-three election-monitoring missions to the Americas, Africa, and Asia.These include Panama (1989), Nicaragua (1990), Guyana (1992), China (1997), Nigeria (1998), Indonesia (1999), East Timor (1999), Mexico (2000), Guatemala (2003), Venezuela (2004), Ethiopia (2005), Liberia (2005), the Democratic Republic of the Congo (2006), Nepal (2008), Lebanon (2009), and Sudan (2010, 2011).
Not to mention his other work with Habitat For Humanities building houses for the homeless. And you have the gall to call him a disgrace?
What did Nixon do after he left office? Or both Bushes, or Reagan, or Ford or Eisenhower or LBJ or Truman?
President Carter and The Carter Center have engaged in conflict mediation in Ethiopia and Eritrea (1989), North Korea (1994), Liberia (1994), Haiti (1994), Bosnia (1994), Sudan (1995), the Great Lakes region of Africa (1995-96), Sudan and Uganda (1999), Venezuela (2002-2003), Nepal (2004-2008), and Ecuador and Colombia (2008).Under his leadership The Carter Center has sent eighty-three election-monitoring missions to the Americas, Africa, and Asia.These include Panama (1989), Nicaragua (1990), Guyana (1992), China (1997), Nigeria (1998), Indonesia (1999), East Timor (1999), Mexico (2000), Guatemala (2003), Venezuela (2004), Ethiopia (2005), Liberia (2005), the Democratic Republic of the Congo (2006), Nepal (2008), Lebanon (2009), and Sudan (2010, 2011).
Not to mention his other work with Habitat For Humanities building houses for the homeless. And you have the gall to call him a disgrace?
What did Nixon do after he left office? Or both Bushes, or Reagan, or Ford or Eisenhower or LBJ or Truman?
I will give him credit Ooby. He can drive a nail.
JeanMarlow: When you posted the poll, you should have clarified what the poll question was. I looked it up. The question was who do you think is the greates US president. 2 percent said GW Bush. Which makes sense. Well, it's kinda crazy that anyone would think he was the greatest, but some people are just lost souls....
I laughed at the post too Solitaire.
FF knowes very well tgo whom i was reffering to.
Ccincy: I don't think he was referring to Obama.
chris27292729: Just peaceful economic demonstrations,the people and the unions objecting to salary and benefits cuts recommented by the IMF and the ECB,(Eur, Central Bank).
How do you think things are going to go there Chris? I ask because there are similar problems happening in other countries.
Frankinstien: I never thought I would see a worse president than L. B. Johnson , then along comes G.W. Bush ! . . . . . . . . . . Does it mean anything that they are both from Texas ? ? ? ? ? ?
Abe Lincoln. Killed over a million fellow Americans in a war which could have easily been averted. Then, because of his stubbornness to preserve a common entity which would have been preserved separately through common beliefs and politics it took over fifty years to recover and,, to this very day, it still has not recovered totally.
Yet history sees him as great.
Bush freed fifty million people. Maybe some will see him as great someday. At least the freedom worshiping people anyhow.
gardenhackle: Different, definitely. Better.... that's not nearly so easy to say. Nader is a nutcase. Hard to say if he would have had much of an impact as president, though. We give presidents a lot more credit and blame than they really deserve. The checks and balances in our government keep really bad presidents from doing too much damage. Like the Iraq war - wouldn't have happened without a democrat congress approving it.
Glad to see you back here, GH. Don't understand why so many not living in the U.S., feel the need to post outlandish opinions, with absolutely NO proof to back them up, on a U.S. president & our gov't(not singling out anyone in particular, but really feel citizens of a particular country generally know much more about their own country than non-citizens/non-residents).
I'd really like to see this forum in 2 versions - 1 with comments from those who are U.S. citizens & have lived here within at least the past 5 yrs.
And the 2nd version, with comments from everyone who cares to, with the exception of those commenting in the 1st version.
I think it would be far more interesting.
Albertaghost: Abe Lincoln. Killed over a million fellow Americans in a war which could have easily been averted. Then, because of his stubbornness to preserve a common entity which would have been preserved separately through common beliefs and politics it took over fifty years to recover and,, to this very day, it still has not recovered totally.
Yet history sees him as great.
Bush freed fifty million people. Maybe some will see him as great someday. At least the freedom worshiping people anyhow.
History will be much better to him. It's been proven again & again... history shows a much more accurate picture of the past. Maybe b/c there's a bigger picture after years pass, along w/hindsight.Yet history sees him as great.
Bush freed fifty million people. Maybe some will see him as great someday. At least the freedom worshiping people anyhow.
(Though I knew who your pick for worst was from previous posts, and still don't agree-lol)
SCatlyn: History will be much better to him. It's been proven again & again... history shows a much more accurate picture of the past. Maybe b/c there's a bigger picture after years pass, along w/hindsight.
(Though I knew who your pick for worst was from previous posts, and still don't agree-lol)
(Though I knew who your pick for worst was from previous posts, and still don't agree-lol)
Well, Abe killed more of his own people than Saddam Hussien did, not as many as Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot but certainly more than the latest villains Mubarak and Gaddafi did.
Bush - freed fifty million people.
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