How soon do you want to become a non-single? (111)
normalguy68: Yeah right, and you think a woman would be just as happy to forego all contact with their kids, I think not.
As for what the kids want, how could you know what my kids want, they want their mum and dad to be back together.
I can only imagine the pain they feel inside like home sickness and the pain I feel with the loss of their love and the love I give them. No one loves their kids more than their parents do. To exclude either parents love and guidance from their kids lives is just wrong and reminds me of the time Aboriginal kids were removed from their parents and placed into caucasion families.
As for what the kids want, how could you know what my kids want, they want their mum and dad to be back together.
I can only imagine the pain they feel inside like home sickness and the pain I feel with the loss of their love and the love I give them. No one loves their kids more than their parents do. To exclude either parents love and guidance from their kids lives is just wrong and reminds me of the time Aboriginal kids were removed from their parents and placed into caucasion families.
Don't you DARE compare your situation to the Stolen Generation!! How bloody insulting!!
Either take the constructive advice thats been given to you over and over again or GTFO.
So many people, despite your rudeness and hostility, have given you wonderful and excellent advice but you only want to take what you want to hear and not the helpful advice thats been given to you.
Seriously, I think you need some kind of psychological help. And I mean that in the most sincerest way. Please go see someone because you really need it.
kittykawaii: Don't you DARE compare your situation to the Stolen Generation!! How bloody insulting!!
Either take the constructive advice thats been given to you over and over again or GTFO.
So many people, despite your rudeness and hostility, have given you wonderful and excellent advice but you only want to take what you want to hear and not the helpful advice thats been given to you.
Seriously, I think you need some kind of psychological help. And I mean that in the most sincerest way. Please go see someone because you really need it.
Either take the constructive advice thats been given to you over and over again or GTFO.
So many people, despite your rudeness and hostility, have given you wonderful and excellent advice but you only want to take what you want to hear and not the helpful advice thats been given to you.
Seriously, I think you need some kind of psychological help. And I mean that in the most sincerest way. Please go see someone because you really need it.
Sorry Kitty the man is just saying how he feels having his children taken away he is making a comparison, showing empathy FFS .
kittykawaii: Don't you DARE compare your situation to the Stolen Generation!! How bloody insulting!!
Either take the constructive advice thats been given to you over and over again or GTFO.
So many people, despite your rudeness and hostility, have given you wonderful and excellent advice but you only want to take what you want to hear and not the helpful advice thats been given to you.
Seriously, I think you need some kind of psychological help. And I mean that in the most sincerest way. Please go see someone because you really need it.
on ya kittyEither take the constructive advice thats been given to you over and over again or GTFO.
So many people, despite your rudeness and hostility, have given you wonderful and excellent advice but you only want to take what you want to hear and not the helpful advice thats been given to you.
Seriously, I think you need some kind of psychological help. And I mean that in the most sincerest way. Please go see someone because you really need it.
This has nothing to do with me judging you Jem because you are childless, but to sit there and say ,if you never see your kids again youll get over it , shows everyone here that you obviosly have no idea about the bond between an parent and their child .
kizzy27: Sorry Kitty the man is just saying how he feels having his children taken away he is making a comparison, showing empathy FFS .
And he picked that as a comparison?
FMD.
The two don't even relate so how can it even compare?
normalguy68: So you want me to live like you did and learn to cope with it?
I'm not like you and I will fight no matter how much it costs.
I'm not like you and I will fight no matter how much it costs.
kizzy27: This has nothing to do with me judging you Jem because you are childless, but to sit there and say ,if you never see your kids again youll get over it , shows everyone here that you obviosly have no idea about the bond between an parent and their child .
Kizzy you are judging me, as you have read on my profile that I have no kids, just coz I have no kids now does not mean that I have always been that way. That I dont know the ultimate separation from my child, one that cannot not have access visits nor see them growing up and hold them etc...
I am qualified to say you learn to cope, or go crazy, there are more ways to lose a child than just by a marriage/relationship breakdown.
So how about you show some compassion about the bond between a parent and a child before stating that I dont know what it is all about. I state again you have no idea of what has happened in my life
kittykawaii: And he picked that as a comparison?
FMD.
The two don't even relate so how can it even compare?
FMD.
The two don't even relate so how can it even compare?
agreed Kitty, the Stolen Generation were removed from the families by church and government, not by a bitter marriage/relationship breakdown
kittykawaii: And he picked that as a comparison?
FMD.
The two don't even relate so how can it even compare?
FMD.
The two don't even relate so how can it even compare?
You're saying Aboriginal families didn't feel pain when they were appart from their kids?
jem1964: Kizzy you are judging me, as you have read on my profile that I have no kids, just coz I have no kids now does not mean that I have always been that way. That I dont know the ultimate separation from my child, one that cannot not have access visits nor see them growing up and hold them etc...
I am qualified to say you learn to cope, or go crazy, there are more ways to lose a child than just by a marriage/relationship breakdown.
So how about you show some compassion about the bond between a parent and a child before stating that I dont know what it is all about. I state again you have no idea of what has happened in my life
I am qualified to say you learn to cope, or go crazy, there are more ways to lose a child than just by a marriage/relationship breakdown.
So how about you show some compassion about the bond between a parent and a child before stating that I dont know what it is all about. I state again you have no idea of what has happened in my life
Your right I dont know what happened in your life, thats tough asbout your neice it must have hurt you by the sounds ,and if thats the case how can you say to anyone that they will cope If they never see there children again?
That he shouldnt do everything in his power to keep his relationship with his kids?
Maybe you would be prepared yo walk away , but it sounds like you fought but lost your neice , hasnt he got the right to do so for his own daughters??????
jem1964: agreed Kitty, the Stolen Generation were removed from the families by church and government, not by a bitter marriage/relationship breakdown
does it matter who took them that isnt the point the fact was they were taken ... families were split .
jem1964: Kizzy you are judging me, as you have read on my profile that I have no kids, just coz I have no kids now does not mean that I have always been that way. That I dont know the ultimate separation from my child, one that cannot not have access visits nor see them growing up and hold them etc...
I am qualified to say you learn to cope, or go crazy, there are more ways to lose a child than just by a marriage/relationship breakdown.
So how about you show some compassion about the bond between a parent and a child before stating that I dont know what it is all about. I state again you have no idea of what has happened in my life
I am qualified to say you learn to cope, or go crazy, there are more ways to lose a child than just by a marriage/relationship breakdown.
So how about you show some compassion about the bond between a parent and a child before stating that I dont know what it is all about. I state again you have no idea of what has happened in my life
dont talk to me about compassion !!! " learn to cope" what a joke !!!
I suggest some people educate themselves on the stolen generation and the reasons behind them being taken. There can be no comparisons. Me being Indigenous has nothing to do with it. Its just stupid and foolish to compare the two situations. Like I said they don't relate.
kittykawaii: I suggest some people educate themselves on the stolen generation and the reasons behind them being taken. There can be no comparisons. Me being Indigenous has nothing to do with it. Its just stupid and foolish to compare the two situations. Like I said they don't relate.
all etheticity aside , a child any child being forcibly removed from a parent is wrong...that is the issue
kizzy27: does it matter who took them that isnt the point the fact was they were taken ... families were split .
well Kizzy that is your view and you are entitled to it. And yes the family was spilt, but in the Stolen Generation there was no input of the families, there was not a decision of a familial member or if it was it was with coercion of either the church or the government.
A personal relationship breakdown is more to do with influences inside the relationship, not the beliefs of a religion or government. Choices are made for personal reasons and between the members of the relationship, not outside authorities
kittykawaii: I suggest some people educate themselves on the stolen generation and the reasons behind them being taken. There can be no comparisons. Me being Indigenous has nothing to do with it. Its just stupid and foolish to compare the two situations. Like I said they don't relate.
completely different. A marriage break up enables a child to at least stay with one parent, and family members, the stolen generation were thrown into places, situations without any family, love or support.The two issues are very different and should not be being compared to a typical marriage break up, that is just pathetic.
jem1964: well Kizzy that is your view and you are entitled to it. And yes the family was spilt, but in the Stolen Generation there was no input of the families, there was not a decision of a familial member or if it was it was with coercion of either the church or the government.
A personal relationship breakdown is more to do with influences inside the relationship, not the beliefs of a religion or government. Choices are made for personal reasons and between the members of the relationship, not outside authorities
A personal relationship breakdown is more to do with influences inside the relationship, not the beliefs of a religion or government. Choices are made for personal reasons and between the members of the relationship, not outside authorities
again..all etheticity aside , a child any child being forcibly removed from a parent is wrong...that is the issue
I think everyone needs to take a chill pill. The thread has drawn out a lot of emotions, opinions and feelings between a lot of people.
Breath for a while people.
Breath for a while people.
Don't encourage me Ms. Sxc
sxc666: completely different. A marriage break up enables a child to at least stay with one parent, and family members, the stolen generation were thrown into places, situations without any family, love or support.The two issues are very different and should not be being compared to a typical marriage break up, that is just pathetic.
He wasnt saying that he was just comparing his feelings of loss ...
kizzy27: dont talk to me about compassion !!! " learn to cope" what a joke !!!
thankfully Kizzy it appears you havent had to learn to cope, nothing that bad has happened to you that was the only option for you.
for that, for you I am happy, but I know many, me included, that havent had that path. Compassion tends to be something learned, I have learned that skill, through the death of my child for one instance, and for many others. So yes I can talk about compassion.
kizzy27: again..all etheticity aside , a child any child being forcibly removed from a parent is wrong...that is the issue
Yes I do agree Kizz.However I do believe the stolen generation is a completely different situation all together.
when we lose a child, the stories are different, but the hurt is the same. Male of Female we hurt, we wouldn't be human if we didn't.
How easy it is to lecture someone on how to handle things, rather than provide support. Some of the responses I have read make me sick. and I pray the people on their god almighty high horses are never in the situation that normal is in.
sxc666: I think everyone needs to take a chill pill. The thread has drawn out a lot of emotions, opinions and feelings between a lot of people.Breath for a while people.
hey sxc I am breathing, and not fire either. I leave that for others.
jem1964: thankfully Kizzy it appears you havent had to learn to cope, nothing that bad has happened to you that was the only option for you.
for that, for you I am happy, but I know many, me included, that havent had that path. Compassion tends to be something learned, I have learned that skill, through the death of my child for one instance, and for many others. So yes I can talk about compassion.
for that, for you I am happy, but I know many, me included, that havent had that path. Compassion tends to be something learned, I have learned that skill, through the death of my child for one instance, and for many others. So yes I can talk about compassion.
I am sorry for your loss Jem but his children are not dead they are being kept from him, he shouldnt have to "cope" with that if he can do anything to rectify the situation he should do it.
Divorce & separation should not mean that one parent has to grieve for the loss of his or her children, not when that parent wants to be a part of their life in every way
Losing a child to death is totally different.
there are so many stories and so much hurt reading all of the thread. Please everyone calm down. This is a sensitive issue.
Please just let us all try and support, advise, and respect each other.
There are our joke threads, and our serious threads.
this has become very serious, a lot of personal issues are being raised and a lot of personal insults are being thrown.
At the end of the day, its not easy to lose a child via marriage break up or via death.
As much as we laugh together here, it would be good to see we support each other also.
I believe Normal has every right to vent, he apologised last night for the way he come across, live and let live.
We've all blown off steam.
Please just let us all try and support, advise, and respect each other.
There are our joke threads, and our serious threads.
this has become very serious, a lot of personal issues are being raised and a lot of personal insults are being thrown.
At the end of the day, its not easy to lose a child via marriage break up or via death.
As much as we laugh together here, it would be good to see we support each other also.
I believe Normal has every right to vent, he apologised last night for the way he come across, live and let live.
We've all blown off steam.
kizzy27: does it matter who took them that isnt the point the fact was they were taken ... families were split .
Why bother, every statement you make will just be forum trolled.
Only go with the pack or you will be consumed and spat out.
normalguy68: Why bother, every statement you make will just be forum trolled.
Only go with the pack or you will be consumed and spat out.
I don't think its a pack issue Normal. Its we all as individuals have an opinion even if sometimes its over opinionated.Only go with the pack or you will be consumed and spat out.
I think we all need to admit we are in drought, and drought is never easy.
Bring on the big wet
Bring on the big wet
jem1964: well Kizzy that is your view and you are entitled to it. And yes the family was spilt, but in the Stolen Generation there was no input of the families, there was not a decision of a familial member or if it was it was with coercion of either the church or the government.
A personal relationship breakdown is more to do with influences inside the relationship, not the beliefs of a religion or government. Choices are made for personal reasons and between the members of the relationship, not outside authorities
A personal relationship breakdown is more to do with influences inside the relationship, not the beliefs of a religion or government. Choices are made for personal reasons and between the members of the relationship, not outside authorities
Not of my choice though just like the Aboriginal families.
That's the similarity you are so blind to see.
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As for what the kids want, how could you know what my kids want, they want their mum and dad to be back together.
I can only imagine the pain they feel inside like home sickness and the pain I feel with the loss of their love and the love I give them. No one loves their kids more than their parents do. To exclude either parents love and guidance from their kids lives is just wrong and reminds me of the time Aboriginal kids were removed from their parents and placed into caucasion families.
do you ever read what is written to you, the advice you ask for and then disregard coz it doesnt suit your ideals?
I never made a judgment on what you kids might want, and nobody can or should. But I know the kids would want to live in a happy place, where parents arent taking potshots at each others and trying to control the other person life just coz they can, not matter what the law states and who it supports. The adults and their needs and wants/desires/ideals are not important here, it is the children that should be foremost in everyone mind and care. The kids didnt ask to come into life, you and your ex chose as adults to become parents, no matter what the circumstance, now it is time once more to act like those adults
And you ask if a woman would ever accept not being able to see their child, and yes it does happen and that is why my extended family was split up 20+ years ago, and for no purpose as the mother dumped her child and left her in another state just so we as the family couldnt get custody of the child.
so for heavens sake do not compare the situation you are in to the Forgotten Children, you have had some input to the family breakup, you have stated you have put orders on your exs movement that she cant go to be with her family and support base. Your actions have put you in the situation you are in, not some church or Government authority deciding that you are fit parents.
and you know Normal, three months ago when I first saw your profile I actually considered meeting you, now after reading your opinions and statements over the last few months there is no way that I would cross the street to talk with you.
And that is from someone who is one of the most easygoing and forgiving people around, so again you probably will disregard whatever is written or just think it doesnt apply. Your loss