is communism possible? (118)
chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Poststhey are risking their investment,the island i live in is not for sale.
Aswina: oh sure! they were of course the most hardworking and the most capitalistic you mean of course all those who buy all Greek hotels, islands and will be paid on their accounts two thirds of Greece GDP since this year
chris27292729: She asked for questions,she gets them,then refuses to answer,labelled them,hostile and dull.
well the whole point of having a discussion is to exchange opinions and learn something ,but I guess that isn`t much gonna happen if any of us has not a will for a constructive conversation ...
Boban1: Are you sure that you had communism ???
What do you think we had
chris27292729: they are risking their investment,the island i live in is not for sale.
all has own price, and all is for sale dear friend... just to say the right number this we were taught in communism!!!! you never find stronger and merciless capitalists as those... communistschris27292729: In your post you urged people to ask you questions,i did,and your answer was the above.If you know so much about communism/democracy in your country,have a look at your own fellow citizens laziness,before attacking others people citizens for laziness.
I don't urge anyone to do anything. And it seems I touched a weak point as you react in such a dull way. We Bulgarians got lazy because of communism, it made even Eastern Germans lazy. We still recover from that. And you Greeks have always been lazy. That's why you like so much socialism. But it's good also to take money from Western countries, right?
Good bye and good luck to you and your country!
Jana28: What do you think we had
just a farce .. .. a dictatorship
what they use to teach us in my country is that we had socialism and that it is just a step from communism
Boban1: just a farce .. .. a dictatorship
what they use to teach us in my country is that we had socialism and that it is just a step from communism
what they use to teach us in my country is that we had socialism and that it is just a step from communism
Bo... I was taught to use gas-mask
because of permanent thread of the US attack!!! We could not wait for the US attack .. I am sure all would be happy that timeI never lived under communist regime,having "merciless capitalists",though i agree with you, everything in life has a price.
Aswina: all has own price, and all is for sale dear friend... just to say the right number this we were taught in communism!!!! you never find stronger and merciless capitalists as those... communists
Boban1: just a farce .. .. a dictatorship
what they use to teach us in my country is that we had socialism and that it is just a step from communism
what they use to teach us in my country is that we had socialism and that it is just a step from communism
Yes they said here the same but don't forget that you kept the private property and here everything was "people's". This is the core of evil here, no matter if we call it socialism or communism.
chris27292729: I never lived under communist regime,having "merciless capitalists",though i agree with you, everything in life has a price.
... I just love when men sometimes agree with me
Aswina: Bo... I was taught to use gas-mask because of permanent thread of the US attack!!! We could not wait for the US attack .. I am sure all would be happy that time
Guess what Jimmy Carter did ... scare the whole USA of Russian invasion .. and guess who made the most profit back then...
Jana28: Yes they said here the same but don't forget that you kept the private property and here everything was "people's". This is the core of evil here, no matter if we call it socialism or communism.
check out my previous post
Boban1: you have the same people behind every political establishment
" aristocracy "
they may hang different pictures on the wall and bow to different flags ,but they have a common interest
bottom line is ... we never really had communism anywhere ...same as anarchism ...but we spread stories about it,scare the children before sleep etc etc etc
" aristocracy "
they may hang different pictures on the wall and bow to different flags ,but they have a common interest
bottom line is ... we never really had communism anywhere ...same as anarchism ...but we spread stories about it,scare the children before sleep etc etc etc
besides there is a difference between personal property and private property
Boban1: Guess what Jimmy Carter did ... scare the whole USA of Russian invasion .. and guess who made the most profit back then...
well ... policy is pretty dirty thing
by the way now we are not scared by each other but The End of World and Mayan Calendar ... people maybe still need to live under pressure and in fear
well ... I´ll change thread... what about Ice cream...
Aswina: well ... policy is pretty dirty thing by the way now we are not scared by each other but The End of World and Mayan Calendar ... people maybe still need to live under pressure and in fear well ... I´ll change thread... what about Ice cream...
nahh lets stick to name calling and bashing...
Boban1: Guess what Jimmy Carter did ... scare the whole USA of Russian invasion .. and guess who made the most profit back then...
I do recall the Russians building a wall to consolidate the territory they 'liberated' in WWII, invading Czechoslovakia and Hungary, Afghanistan and, I do recall the cold war where the Soviet doctrine was to roll over NATO Forces in successive waves of armored fronts and reach the Atlantic in 6 days after carrying out tactical nuclear strikes on major support centers and cities.
It all seems pretty benign to the uninformed now I suppose but, it was a real threat as we now know.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,687920-2,00.html:
The moment the command was issued, everything was to go extremely rapidly:
In the north, the Polish army was to press ahead and reach the Jutland Peninsula near Denmark within six days;
The southwestern front (reinforced by Czech units) was to march towards the southern German state of Bavaria;
It was up to the "Central Front," supported by Soviet Guard divisions, to break across the border at Helmstedt and advance on the Ruhr region and Lorraine in France (see map).
During the first 90 minutes, this ground assault would have been accompanied by a hail of conventional and nuclear warheads aimed at thousands of predetermined targets.
NATO facilities, airfields, communications centers, government offices, power plants and traffic junctions as far as the Rhine River would have been reduced to ashes. Currently accessible campaign maps of the Warsaw Pact have red circles above Antwerp, Amsterdam, Bremen, Cuxhaven, Emden and Munich.
The moment the command was issued, everything was to go extremely rapidly:
In the north, the Polish army was to press ahead and reach the Jutland Peninsula near Denmark within six days;
The southwestern front (reinforced by Czech units) was to march towards the southern German state of Bavaria;
It was up to the "Central Front," supported by Soviet Guard divisions, to break across the border at Helmstedt and advance on the Ruhr region and Lorraine in France (see map).
During the first 90 minutes, this ground assault would have been accompanied by a hail of conventional and nuclear warheads aimed at thousands of predetermined targets.
NATO facilities, airfields, communications centers, government offices, power plants and traffic junctions as far as the Rhine River would have been reduced to ashes. Currently accessible campaign maps of the Warsaw Pact have red circles above Antwerp, Amsterdam, Bremen, Cuxhaven, Emden and Munich.
Boban1: Guess what Jimmy Carter did ... scare the whole USA of Russian invasion .. and guess who made the most profit back then...
I do recall the Russians building a wall to consolidate the territory they 'liberated' in WWII, invading Czechoslovakia and Hungary, Afghanistan and, I do recall the cold war where the Soviet doctrine was to roll over NATO Forces in successive waves of armored fronts and reach the Atlantic in 6 days after carrying out tactical nuclear strikes on major support centers and cities.
It all seems pretty benign to the uninformed now I suppose but, it was a real threat as we now know.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,687920-2,00.html:
The moment the command was issued, everything was to go extremely rapidly:
In the north, the Polish army was to press ahead and reach the Jutland Peninsula near Denmark within six days;
The southwestern front (reinforced by Czech units) was to march towards the southern German state of Bavaria;
It was up to the "Central Front," supported by Soviet Guard divisions, to break across the border at Helmstedt and advance on the Ruhr region and Lorraine in France (see map).
During the first 90 minutes, this ground assault would have been accompanied by a hail of conventional and nuclear warheads aimed at thousands of predetermined targets.
NATO facilities, airfields, communications centers, government offices, power plants and traffic junctions as far as the Rhine River would have been reduced to ashes. Currently accessible campaign maps of the Warsaw Pact have red circles above Antwerp, Amsterdam, Bremen, Cuxhaven, Emden and Munich.
Then the tanks would have rolled out. "The attacking soldiers were supposed to reach the banks of the Rhine before any of them showed symptoms of radiation sickness," says Polish historian Pawel Piotrowski. The plan was then to relieve these radiation-contaminated troops with units of the "Second Strategic Squadron." NATO officials called this the "Polish-Soviet steamroller."
The moment the command was issued, everything was to go extremely rapidly:
In the north, the Polish army was to press ahead and reach the Jutland Peninsula near Denmark within six days;
The southwestern front (reinforced by Czech units) was to march towards the southern German state of Bavaria;
It was up to the "Central Front," supported by Soviet Guard divisions, to break across the border at Helmstedt and advance on the Ruhr region and Lorraine in France (see map).
During the first 90 minutes, this ground assault would have been accompanied by a hail of conventional and nuclear warheads aimed at thousands of predetermined targets.
NATO facilities, airfields, communications centers, government offices, power plants and traffic junctions as far as the Rhine River would have been reduced to ashes. Currently accessible campaign maps of the Warsaw Pact have red circles above Antwerp, Amsterdam, Bremen, Cuxhaven, Emden and Munich.
Then the tanks would have rolled out. "The attacking soldiers were supposed to reach the banks of the Rhine before any of them showed symptoms of radiation sickness," says Polish historian Pawel Piotrowski. The plan was then to relieve these radiation-contaminated troops with units of the "Second Strategic Squadron." NATO officials called this the "Polish-Soviet steamroller."
More can be found here;
So you are saying,we Greeks,always been lazy,because we like so much socialism,and you Bulgarians are better off,liking so much capitalism,Hoorey!!!!!!!! why did it take you so long to find out????If you think the Western countries,will give money to Greece charge free,you know nothing about economics,besides your country receives much more, from the EU,than contributes. 
Jana28: I don't urge anyone to do anything. And it seems I touched a weak point as you react in such a dull way. We Bulgarians got lazy because of communism, it made even Eastern Germans lazy. We still recover from that. And you Greeks have always been lazy. That's why you like so much socialism. But it's good also to take money from Western countries, right?
Good bye and good luck to you and your country!
Good bye and good luck to you and your country!
You sound smart girl,why allowed them to brainwashed you????
Aswina: Bo... I was taught to use gas-mask because of permanent thread of the US attack!!! We could not wait for the US attack .. I am sure all would be happy that time
chris27292729: You sound smart girl,why allowed them to brainwashed you????
I loved being washed
chris27292729: So you are saying,we Greeks,always been lazy,because we like so much socialism,and you Bulgarians are better off,liking so much capitalism,Hoorey!!!!!!!! why did it take you so long to find out????If you think the Western countries,will give money to Greece charge free,you know nothing about economics,besides your country receives much more, from the EU,than contributes.
The reason for charging you high interest is because you're such a risky investment. If you were like the Germans and worked properly at proper jobs you'd find it easier to borrow, simple.
And I still reckon we'll lose out for giving you the chance, but time will tell.
Albertaghost: I do recall the Russians building a wall to consolidate the territory they 'liberated' in WWII, invading Czechoslovakia and Hungary, Afghanistan and, I do recall the cold war where the Soviet doctrine was to roll over NATO Forces in successive waves of armored fronts and reach the Atlantic in 6 days after carrying out tactical nuclear strikes on major support centers and cities.
It all seems pretty benign to the uninformed now I suppose but, it was a real threat as we now know.
More can be found here;
It all seems pretty benign to the uninformed now I suppose but, it was a real threat as we now know.
More can be found here;
yep.. and it backs up my previous statement
" you have the same people behind every political establishment
" aristocracy "
they may hang different pictures on the wall and bow to different flags ,but they have a common interest "
Oh,i know why charging us high interests,others in this thread don,t know and pretend the reason is, Greeks being lazy,while the reasons are,the politicians took too long restracturing the economy,because of the political cost in both main ruling parties.-We shall overcome,i don't think the Euro € countries will appreciate a chain reaction on the € ,if Greece fails.-
TrueBlue1986: The reason for charging you high interest is because you're such a risky investment. If you were like the Germans and worked properly at proper jobs you'd find it easier to borrow, simple.
And I still reckon we'll lose out for giving you the chance, but time will tell.
And I still reckon we'll lose out for giving you the chance, but time will tell.
Boban1: yep.. and it backs up my previous statement
" you have the same people behind every political establishment
" aristocracy "
they may hang different pictures on the wall and bow to different flags ,but they have a common interest "
" you have the same people behind every political establishment
" aristocracy "
they may hang different pictures on the wall and bow to different flags ,but they have a common interest "
You may call them the same but they are a lot different. Once communism is in, it's in for the long haul. A far cry from a democratic society where leaders can be voted out of power and the system changed by the people through their representatives.
As for the comment you left out ""bottom line is ... we never really had communism anywhere ...same as anarchism ...but we spread stories about it,scare the children before sleep etc etc etc "" one would have to say that is true however, we also have never had a democracy either. When referring to communism and democracy we refer to the systems that are applying those two principals the best they can as in North Korea, the former Soviet Union, Cuba, China etc and the US, Canada, France, Britain etc.
From this, we can easily see the the 'communist' countries are horror gulags when compared to the 'democratic' ones and we hardly ""spread stories about it,scare the children before sleep etc etc etc"" in error but rather speak the truth.
carlosweb10: It´s said it is against any private property.However, archeology, anthropoly state humans lived in communism in the past. Could communism be part of a future?
Humanity never lived in "Communism" as described by Marx.
Tribal cultures lived collectively but they were far far far from being remotely similar to Marxism.
Collectivism can work when a culture is already strongly unified and the people's needs, goals, and opinions are pretty much the same. But it can't work where they are diverse.
Sade88: ..........so was that as a result of the ideology of Socialism or corrupted government ???
Well, if every communist government has proven to be corrupt without a system of accountability, yes, the ideology is flawed.
Albertaghost: You may call them the same but they are a lot different. Once communism is in, it's in for the long haul.
In order for democratic republic to become communist, all that's necessary is for enough dumbasses to vote it into existence. But in order for communism to be replaced by democracy, it requires a revolution and much bloodshed.
Blues63: Well, communal living and communism, as we know them are clearly different. Introduce a monetised economy and an industrialised society, it is destined to fail owing to ambition.
Eliminate the money systems and you have the basic Gene Roddenberry world of the future...
All systems fail; some of the failures are catastrophic and fatal.
Human beings are fallible. We are the primary cause of all system failures, nothing hard to understand.
How many here have read the novel K Pax on which the film of that name is bases; in the novel, more so than in the film, Sproot(?) describes how life is on his planet...food for thought...
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