is communism possible? (118)
Sade88: I hope one day we go towards rather socialism. The socialism has been defined as follows : a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
I think that would be an ideal society.
I think that would be an ideal society.
especially etcis important
you know nothing about socialism. If it was so great... why generation of my parents in 1968 and my generation in 1989 fought against that?Anyway you still can get a chance to live in "ideal society"... the North Korea for example...
Aswina: especially etcis important you know nothing about socialism. If it was so great... why generation of my parents in 1968 and my generation in 1989 fought against that?
Anyway you still can get a chance to live in "ideal society"... the North Korea for example...
Anyway you still can get a chance to live in "ideal society"... the North Korea for example...
Or Venezuela or Cuba!
As always it is amusing how people who live in Capitalist countries "think" that socialism and communism are great!
Sade88: I hope one day we go towards rather socialism. The socialism has been defined as follows : a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
I think that would be an ideal society.
Soviets tried it!I think that would be an ideal society.
Found out it only can be maintained by Bloodletting!
Humans aren't hardwired this way!
There would be hardly any progress!
Think it through yourself!
Think what would happen to the Best of Society!
Ask People that have lived under the System most of their lives!
lifeisadream: Or Venezuela or Cuba!
As always it is amusing how people who live in Capitalist countries "think" that socialism and communism are great!
That's what I wonder about!As always it is amusing how people who live in Capitalist countries "think" that socialism and communism are great!
Jana28: Here is someone who has lived half of their life during communism. You can ask me Qs if you re interested in details, not theories.
Are you sure that you had communism ???
Sade88: I hope one day we go towards rather socialism. The socialism has been defined as follows : a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
I think that would be an ideal society.
and WHO in the "Community" would make the Decisions?I think that would be an ideal society.
Look at the pictures of the Desolation "Socialism" and "Communism" has left!
That is the True Face of those Systems!
Dadude62: In ant colonies everybody gets enough to eat and nobody has a gun to their head.
They already got that chemical Bullet in the Brain!..........so was that as a result of the ideology of Socialism or corrupted government ???
Conrad73:
Ask People that have lived under the System most of their lives!
Ask People that have lived under the System most of their lives!
Exactly!
Or They should have a trip to those countries and live there like the locals, no returning though
Conrad73: That's what I wonder about!
that can be harmful for you my friend!
Conrad73: and WHO in the "Community" would make the Decisions?
Look at the pictures of the Desolation "Socialism" and "Communism" has left!
That is the True Face of those Systems!
Look at the pictures of the Desolation "Socialism" and "Communism" has left!
That is the True Face of those Systems!
..Like I said I personally believe that socialism is the answer to many problems that human is facing, if it has failed, it was because of corrupted government, and the interesting thing is that these " government " are not coming from outer space, they are people like me and you, and again us, ourselves make a dictator out of them by our own behavior, one day making a God on earth out of them, and once we give them all the power and they abused it, again we complaint and cray for help, otherwise there is nothing wrong with the ideology and the system. This is my opinion. Peace
Sade88: ..........so was that as a result of the ideology of Socialism or corrupted government ???
you have the same people behind every political establishment
" aristocracy "
they may hang different pictures on the wall and bow to different flags ,but they have a common interest
bottom line is ... we never really had communism anywhere ...same as anarchism ...but we spread stories about it,scare the children before sleep etc etc etc
lifeisadream: Or Venezuela or Cuba!
As always it is amusing how people who live in Capitalist countries "think" that socialism and communism are great!
As always it is amusing how people who live in Capitalist countries "think" that socialism and communism are great!
Exactly Life!
they can do that... they just "play"
they have been given their freedoms so they have enough time to think up "social-istic games"...Sade88: ..Like I said I personally believe that socialism is the answer to many problems that human is facing, if it has failed, it was because of corrupted government, and the interesting thing is that these " government " are not coming from outer space, they are people like me and you, and again us, ourselves make a dictator out of them by our own behavior, one day making a God on earth out of them, and once we give them all the power and they abused it, again we complaint and cray for help, otherwise there is nothing wrong with the ideology and the system. This is my opinion. Peace
Sade, I am persuaded you are sensitive and nice person and your opinion is idealistic.... but please believe me.... millions of people like you have been misused in name of " communism".
Please, read " 1984" by George Orwell... after, you can understand a bit more.
Wish you a nice day
Communism, like every other "movement" (capitalism, established religions etc) suffers from human beings distorting the concept for their own ends.
Was Stalinism the same as communism? No. Was the Spanish Inquisition representative of Catholicism? No. Are Al Quaeda representative of Islam? No.
We take what could be a winning way of life and turn it into a nightmare. It's what human beings do.
As an aside, communism probably worked for the Cubans. They may be poor, but they're a helluva better off than their neighbours who live under what passes for capitalism.
Was Stalinism the same as communism? No. Was the Spanish Inquisition representative of Catholicism? No. Are Al Quaeda representative of Islam? No.
We take what could be a winning way of life and turn it into a nightmare. It's what human beings do.
As an aside, communism probably worked for the Cubans. They may be poor, but they're a helluva better off than their neighbours who live under what passes for capitalism.
Aswina: Sade, I am persuaded you are sensitive and nice person and your opinion is idealistic.... but please believe me.... millions of people like you have been misused in name of " communism".
Please, read " 1984" by George Orwell... after, you can understand a bit more.
Wish you a nice day
Please, read " 1984" by George Orwell... after, you can understand a bit more.
Wish you a nice day
Aswina;
Thank you for your reply I have read that book many years ago. Yeah I agree with you, but my point is that, it was the governments that abused the system, otherwise there is nothing wrong with the ideology, beside I don't advocate communism at all, that is too aggressive towards people system of belief, which is totally personal. But I am really interested in knowing what your ideal system of government is , what do you think is the solution for the poverty, and all what is going wrong in our world?
Me too, I wish you a great day. Peace
Conrad73: and WHO in the "Community" would make the Decisions?
Look at the pictures of the Desolation "Socialism" and "Communism" has left!
That is the True Face of those Systems!
Look at the pictures of the Desolation "Socialism" and "Communism" has left!
That is the True Face of those Systems!
Yip; stroll into some of the ghettos in the States, or some of the poor areas in the UK, and see what some people have as the true face of capitalism. The grim reality for some people in the prosperous West is a million miles away from the great dream of life that is portrayed on TV.
As the rich woman once said, "Let them eat cake!"
Sade88: Aswina;
Thank you for your reply I have read that book many years ago. Yeah I agree with you, but my point is that, it was the governments that abused the system, otherwise there is nothing wrong with the ideology, beside I don't advocate communism at all, that is too aggressive towards people system of belief, which is totally personal. But I am really interested in knowing what your ideal system of government is , what do you think is the solution for the poverty, and all what is going wrong in our world?
Me too, I wish you a great day. Peace
Thank you for your reply I have read that book many years ago. Yeah I agree with you, but my point is that, it was the governments that abused the system, otherwise there is nothing wrong with the ideology, beside I don't advocate communism at all, that is too aggressive towards people system of belief, which is totally personal. But I am really interested in knowing what your ideal system of government is , what do you think is the solution for the poverty, and all what is going wrong in our world?
Me too, I wish you a great day. Peace
Sade,
I do not believe in society ... even I am sceptic. I think crowd is dangerous and unpredictable evil. I believe in human being, in personal development and improvement. I think only way is to stop being manipulator and being manipulated. I believe in victory of mind and soul over body. I know, for many very funny idea
but I do not care...TartanK: Yip; stroll into some of the ghettos in the States, or some of the poor areas in the UK, and see what some people have as the true face of capitalism. The grim reality for some people in the prosperous West is a million miles away from the great dream of life that is portrayed on TV.
As the rich woman once said, "Let them eat cake!"
As the rich woman once said, "Let them eat cake!"
Marie Antoinette... poor girl
TartanK: Yip; stroll into some of the ghettos in the States, or some of the poor areas in the UK, and see what some people have as the true face of capitalism. The grim reality for some people in the prosperous West is a million miles away from the great dream of life that is portrayed on TV.
As the rich woman once said, "Let them eat cake!"
IOt's Paradise compared to the Slums and Polluted Regions of say Eastern Germany right after the Fall of the Berlin-Wall!As the rich woman once said, "Let them eat cake!"
Besides those Slums are the Result of Statism,not of Capitalism!
TartanK: Communism, like every other "movement" (capitalism, established religions etc) suffers from human beings distorting the concept for their own ends.
Was Stalinism the same as communism? No. Was the Spanish Inquisition representative of Catholicism? No. Are Al Quaeda representative of Islam? No.
We take what could be a winning way of life and turn it into a nightmare. It's what human beings do.
As an aside, communism probably worked for the Cubans. They may be poor, but they're a helluva better off than their neighbours who live under what passes for capitalism.
Was Stalinism the same as communism? No. Was the Spanish Inquisition representative of Catholicism? No. Are Al Quaeda representative of Islam? No.
We take what could be a winning way of life and turn it into a nightmare. It's what human beings do.
As an aside, communism probably worked for the Cubans. They may be poor, but they're a helluva better off than their neighbours who live under what passes for capitalism.
The poorest Fisherman in the Bahamas Islands is better off than any of the Cubans!TartanK: Yip; stroll into some of the ghettos in the States, or some of the poor areas in the UK, and see what some people have as the true face of capitalism. The grim reality for some people in the prosperous West is a million miles away from the great dream of life that is portrayed on TV.
As the rich woman once said, "Let them eat cake!"
As the rich woman once said, "Let them eat cake!"
You really mix sytems now!
But the Reign of the French Kings was closer to a Communist,totalitarian System than anything else!
Socialism is Anti-Human,can only be implemented as you saw it in the Sovietunion!
Humans aren't hardwired the same a Worker-Bee or a Workerant is!
Sade88: ..........so was that as a result of the ideology of Socialism or corrupted government ???
Nope,Humans don't bend Backward,they will break!All those Collectivist systems,regardless if their name is Socialism,Fascism,will break it's Citizens!
In your post you urged people to ask you questions,i did,and your answer was the above.If you know so much about communism/democracy in your country,have a look at your own fellow citizens laziness,before attacking others people citizens for laziness. 
Jana28: Hostile and dull!
chris27292729: How come the last 20 years,all of you,have become from lazy citizens,under communism, to workaholic ones under democratic governments.-
strong influence of capitalism
Conrad73: Nope,Humans don't bend Backward,they will break!
All those Collectivist systems,regardless if their name is Socialism,Fascism,will break it's Citizens!
....yes this is exactly what I was implying. It is all about human behavior and seeking to have power, why? for a psychological disease in us humans,( in all shapes, forms and color ) called " control. ".....uh this is very bothersome.All those Collectivist systems,regardless if their name is Socialism,Fascism,will break it's Citizens!
Aswina: strong influence of capitalism
What a radical transformation,thats why so many new found Billion/Milionaires in ex communist countries. chris27292729: What a radical transformation,thats why so many new found Billion/Milionaires in ex communist countries.
oh sure! they were of course the most hardworking and the most capitalistic
you mean of course all those who buy all Greek hotels, islands and will be paid on their accounts two thirds of Greece GDP since this year Sade88: ....yes this is exactly what I was implying. It is all about human behavior and seeking to have power, why? for a psychological disease in us humans,( in all shapes, forms and color ) called " control. ".....uh this is very bothersome.
Ambition isn't a disease. Humanity isn't diseased. The animals don't struggle to survive because they are diseased. It's nature and survival of the fittest, that's what it all boils down to.
She asked for questions,she gets them,then refuses to answer,labelled them,hostile and dull.
Boban1: Are you sure that you had communism ???
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I think that would be an ideal society.