is communism possible? (118)
Aswina: playing with the fire what about asking for opinion people who survived in "Archipelago GULAG" in the former Soviet Union????
Or guantanamobay in the current USA?
It's tempting to judge systems by it's failures...
Not NORMAL for people to bend this way!
freemind63: Or guantanamobay in the current USA?
It's tempting to judge systems by it's failures...
It's tempting to judge systems by it's failures...
freemind63: Or guantanamobay in the current USA?
It's tempting to judge systems by it's failures...
Love your Blankout and Switcheroo!It's tempting to judge systems by it's failures...
Conrad73: Love your Blankout and Switcheroo!
Wow, I do speak a bit of english, but I'm confused now!
(so is my translation site)
relaxy: the Communism finished in 1956....
and came back couple of years a go when the welfare saved the banking system....
yep ask em where all the skimmed money went in usa it was 2.3 trillion to commie/nwo lol.and came back couple of years a go when the welfare saved the banking system....
gleneagle: That other Joe ...Mc Carthy in the 1950's sure didnt like the commies. I recon his evil stepmother made him memorise animal farm for to turn out seeing the red tide sweeping America
one under every bed now their arab lol.u have a better chance of getting killed by lighting.Boban1: Faith or believe is the foundation of our being ( I could be wrong about choosing the right word as in my language we use the same word for faith and believe}
Same as Jesus was too radical in his ideas or the world wasn`t ready for his teaching and ideas,so he became a victim of his political opponents ,Communism is abused and we never really had real example of it .
yep never go after money changers/nwo now.Same as Jesus was too radical in his ideas or the world wasn`t ready for his teaching and ideas,so he became a victim of his political opponents ,Communism is abused and we never really had real example of it .
Conrad73: Love your Blankout and Switcheroo!
Capitalism is mistaken for freedom.
Communism is a byword for a control system.
Both are identical in one respect, both seek to exploit people but are essentially two sides of the same coin that were used to destabilise power from one set of controlling powers, to be then manipulated by another.
Same old story, old as the hills.
It's called divide and rule, which works extremely well if you sit there and are willing to fall for all the propaganda.
Neither communism nor capitalism will deliver you a fair deal, that is the entire point.
Unfortunately the political system is basically a charade.
gardenhackle: Communism is a great system of mutual support for organisms that have no sense of self-awareness. It works great for bees and ants and termites. All members of their society have roles that are genetically coded into them. Some evolve through multiple roles. All support the colony and work for the good of the whole with the good of the whole taking priority even over their instincts for self preservation. While one colony may fight another colony for territory or resources, there is no fighting within the colonies and from all outward appearances, it is an ideal form of peaceful symbiotic cooperation. It is perfect for very primitive life forms with minimal brain capacity.
It's not worth a damn for humans. With the advance of the human brain came self-awareness and individual thought and ideas and aspirations. Human beings are driven by not just instinct, but emotions and very complex thought and reasoning. We understand math and have a sense of "fair play" and these two elements of human intellectual development, alone, make communism grossly impractical for human compatibility. We keep score. If I work 12 hours a day, I'm going to resent half of my production going to someone who worked zero hours. But the one that works not at all would very much like to have half the production of anyone else.
We need to entertain ourselves and entertainment usually is not "production". It is very tempting for people to spend time entertaining themselves when they should be producing. And that's one of the biggest roadblocks of all. We want better lives. And if your life doesn't get better from more efforts on your part, you'll be loathe to put in more effort. And if your life doesn't get worse from less effort on your part, you'll be inclined to less effort.
Communism brings out the worst in people when it comes to production. Combine that with egos and struggles for dominance and power (the things that help one attract the most desirable mates), and you've got insurmountable problems.
We have long, long ago evolved past any possibility of communism being a practical societal mechanism. It's time for people to realize that. The high producers already know it. The poor producers do, as well, but long for it because they're the beneficiaries of a system where all share equally regardless of their contribution or lack thereof.
It's not worth a damn for humans. With the advance of the human brain came self-awareness and individual thought and ideas and aspirations. Human beings are driven by not just instinct, but emotions and very complex thought and reasoning. We understand math and have a sense of "fair play" and these two elements of human intellectual development, alone, make communism grossly impractical for human compatibility. We keep score. If I work 12 hours a day, I'm going to resent half of my production going to someone who worked zero hours. But the one that works not at all would very much like to have half the production of anyone else.
We need to entertain ourselves and entertainment usually is not "production". It is very tempting for people to spend time entertaining themselves when they should be producing. And that's one of the biggest roadblocks of all. We want better lives. And if your life doesn't get better from more efforts on your part, you'll be loathe to put in more effort. And if your life doesn't get worse from less effort on your part, you'll be inclined to less effort.
Communism brings out the worst in people when it comes to production. Combine that with egos and struggles for dominance and power (the things that help one attract the most desirable mates), and you've got insurmountable problems.
We have long, long ago evolved past any possibility of communism being a practical societal mechanism. It's time for people to realize that. The high producers already know it. The poor producers do, as well, but long for it because they're the beneficiaries of a system where all share equally regardless of their contribution or lack thereof.
gardenhackle: Communism is a great system of mutual support for organisms that have no sense of self-awareness. It works great for bees and ants and termites. All members of their society have roles that are genetically coded into them. Some evolve through multiple roles. All support the colony and work for the good of the whole with the good of the whole taking priority even over their instincts for self preservation. While one colony may fight another colony for territory or resources, there is no fighting within the colonies and from all outward appearances, it is an ideal form of peaceful symbiotic cooperation. It is perfect for very primitive life forms with minimal brain capacity.
It's not worth a damn for humans. With the advance of the human brain came self-awareness and individual thought and ideas and aspirations. Human beings are driven by not just instinct, but emotions and very complex thought and reasoning. We understand math and have a sense of "fair play" and these two elements of human intellectual development, alone, make communism grossly impractical for human compatibility. We keep score. If I work 12 hours a day, I'm going to resent half of my production going to someone who worked zero hours. But the one that works not at all would very much like to have half the production of anyone else.
We need to entertain ourselves and entertainment usually is not "production". It is very tempting for people to spend time entertaining themselves when they should be producing. And that's one of the biggest roadblocks of all. We want better lives. And if your life doesn't get better from more efforts on your part, you'll be loathe to put in more effort. And if your life doesn't get worse from less effort on your part, you'll be inclined to less effort.
Communism brings out the worst in people when it comes to production. Combine that with egos and struggles for dominance and power (the things that help one attract the most desirable mates), and you've got insurmountable problems.
We have long, long ago evolved past any possibility of communism being a practical societal mechanism. It's time for people to realize that. The high producers already know it. The poor producers do, as well, but long for it because they're the beneficiaries of a system where all share equally regardless of their contribution or lack thereof.
So why do you think that Marx and Engle who were upper class manage to persuade folks that it would work. Im surprised that the capitalist great powers didnt nip it in the bud.It's not worth a damn for humans. With the advance of the human brain came self-awareness and individual thought and ideas and aspirations. Human beings are driven by not just instinct, but emotions and very complex thought and reasoning. We understand math and have a sense of "fair play" and these two elements of human intellectual development, alone, make communism grossly impractical for human compatibility. We keep score. If I work 12 hours a day, I'm going to resent half of my production going to someone who worked zero hours. But the one that works not at all would very much like to have half the production of anyone else.
We need to entertain ourselves and entertainment usually is not "production". It is very tempting for people to spend time entertaining themselves when they should be producing. And that's one of the biggest roadblocks of all. We want better lives. And if your life doesn't get better from more efforts on your part, you'll be loathe to put in more effort. And if your life doesn't get worse from less effort on your part, you'll be inclined to less effort.
Communism brings out the worst in people when it comes to production. Combine that with egos and struggles for dominance and power (the things that help one attract the most desirable mates), and you've got insurmountable problems.
We have long, long ago evolved past any possibility of communism being a practical societal mechanism. It's time for people to realize that. The high producers already know it. The poor producers do, as well, but long for it because they're the beneficiaries of a system where all share equally regardless of their contribution or lack thereof.
gleneagle: So why do you think that Marx and Engle who were upper class manage to persuade folks that it would work. Im surprised that the capitalist great powers didnt nip it in the bud.
Bad ideas are easily sold by good salesmen. People are gullible and the idea of "sharing the wealth" is very attractive. Better to enjoy the fruits of the labors of others who have been very successful than to strive to build your own fortune. Too many find the course of least resistance the course of greatest temptation.
OBAMANATION...YES COMMUNISM IS ALIVE AND WELL
carlosweb10: It´s said it is against any private property.However, archeology, anthropoly state humans lived in communism in the past. Could communism be part of a future?
Difficult to answer because the majority of us never lived under communist rule. If you talk to people who have, they will tell you that there are always some who are more equal than others. Can't change human (selfish) nature.
Mystyr: OBAMANATION...YES COMMUNISM IS ALIVE AND WELL
Let's not confue that with "Moronization of the Conservative Nation".........
carlosweb10: Sorry sir but your point of views are totally subjective. I am neutral to this toll but what you have stated is completely flaw and with a dosis of subjectivism from your side
Just checking your point of view related to "everyman should have their own land..history says in the past it really was true, but not in the way you try to emphasize (capitalism)
Other flaw is that Marxism is an aproach and certainly as you said an ideology. Some Workers do not think Marxism is out their interests and may accept it as an ideology. In europe, or in America where workers live with a good standard of living they may think marxism is obsolete or antirevolutionary to their interest. But not in all the continents it is so.
Another extra flaw is that in latin america , africa or south asia yes, I agree with you that we accept marxism as a way to interpret and transfor the reality. But it adopts differetn forms, shapes and colors. And most of their point of views are not coherent with marxism itself. But this do not contradict to the main point of view about communism
Communism is sustained by science. Many people think that the former SOviet Union ( and even China mainland) are or were communist states. First I think they are not. We can debate about socialism but they were not communism. And if you check China, and its communist party, they do not sustain any communist principle
Finally, I think the toll was related to the COHERENCE of theory and Practice. Many people state that they are liberals or democrats but they do not practice those principles. Also, many people state by themselves that they represent nationalism or even communism but they do not practice those principles either
So there is a great problem between theory and practice. This is what I call a lack of COHERENCE between what they state and what they do
It is part of a deviation that goes toward corruption and denigration of the concept itself and the doctrine
I am neutral. It ´s better to be coherent of what to say and what to do
The principles of Communism are anti-Man!Just checking your point of view related to "everyman should have their own land..history says in the past it really was true, but not in the way you try to emphasize (capitalism)
Other flaw is that Marxism is an aproach and certainly as you said an ideology. Some Workers do not think Marxism is out their interests and may accept it as an ideology. In europe, or in America where workers live with a good standard of living they may think marxism is obsolete or antirevolutionary to their interest. But not in all the continents it is so.
Another extra flaw is that in latin america , africa or south asia yes, I agree with you that we accept marxism as a way to interpret and transfor the reality. But it adopts differetn forms, shapes and colors. And most of their point of views are not coherent with marxism itself. But this do not contradict to the main point of view about communism
Communism is sustained by science. Many people think that the former SOviet Union ( and even China mainland) are or were communist states. First I think they are not. We can debate about socialism but they were not communism. And if you check China, and its communist party, they do not sustain any communist principle
Finally, I think the toll was related to the COHERENCE of theory and Practice. Many people state that they are liberals or democrats but they do not practice those principles. Also, many people state by themselves that they represent nationalism or even communism but they do not practice those principles either
So there is a great problem between theory and practice. This is what I call a lack of COHERENCE between what they state and what they do
It is part of a deviation that goes toward corruption and denigration of the concept itself and the doctrine
I am neutral. It ´s better to be coherent of what to say and what to do
EVIL!
Not the Application,the Principles!
It sacrifices the Best to the worst!
gardenhackle: Communism is a great system of mutual support for organisms that have no sense of self-awareness. It works great for bees and ants and termites. All members of their society have roles that are genetically coded into them. Some evolve through multiple roles. All support the colony and work for the good of the whole with the good of the whole taking priority even over their instincts for self preservation. While one colony may fight another colony for territory or resources, there is no fighting within the colonies and from all outward appearances, it is an ideal form of peaceful symbiotic cooperation. It is perfect for very primitive life forms with minimal brain capacity.
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The organization animal systems are not communism they are Monarchies. They have classes and job definitions to sustain their system. They are not equals.
lifeisadream: The organization animal systems are not communism they are Monarchies. They have classes and job definitions to sustain their system. They are not equals.
That's how communism works. There will always be the ruling class and the working classes have job definitions assigned to support the system. While there is a great deal of equality in a communist system and everyone tends to be equally poor, but there is the ruling class and those in the favor of the ruling class. Communism is very much modeled after an ant colony.
gardenhackle: That's how communism works. There will always be the ruling class and the working classes have job definitions assigned to support the system. While there is a great deal of equality in a communist system and everyone tends to be equally poor, but there is the ruling class and those in the favor of the ruling class. Communism is very much modeled after an ant colony.
No way my friend!
I like your posts (most of them) but an Ant or a Bee colony they are not communists!
They have a Queen and they have classes, they are NOT equals.
In fact I do believe that "we" humans we are not equals hence a communist system is not good for me.
Some people work harder than others, so why? We should have the same reward? yet we need to focus in a more human political system and that has to be unique for each country.
Besides, I would not mind to be the Queen!
lifeisadream: No way my friend!
I like your posts (most of them) but an Ant or a Bee colony they are not communists!
They have a Queen and they have classes, they are NOT equals.
In fact I do believe that "we" humans we are not equals hence a communist system is not good for me.
Some people work harder than others, so why? We should have the same reward? yet we need to focus in a more human political system and that has to be unique for each country.
Besides, I would not mind to be the Queen!
I like your posts (most of them) but an Ant or a Bee colony they are not communists!
They have a Queen and they have classes, they are NOT equals.
In fact I do believe that "we" humans we are not equals hence a communist system is not good for me.
Some people work harder than others, so why? We should have the same reward? yet we need to focus in a more human political system and that has to be unique for each country.
Besides, I would not mind to be the Queen!
I don't understand. Cuba is an example of a communist country with a dictator (king, if you will). A bee hive, for example has a queen. She doesn't really "rule", per se, but busies herself laying eggs. The drones are there merely to mate with any emerging queens. The workers go through numerous stages of work evolution ranging from fanning/cooling the hive to queen tending and all things in between. I am getting the impression that you think a communist society must be an anarchy but I don't think that's possible. Truly, I don't think anarchy is possible because as soon as there is a void in power, someone will step in to fill it.
Here is someone who has lived half of their life during communism. You can ask me Qs if you re interested in details, not theories.
gardenhackle: I don't understand. Cuba is an example of a communist country with a dictator (king, if you will). A bee hive, for example has a queen. She doesn't really "rule", per se, but busies herself laying eggs. The drones are there merely to mate with any emerging queens. The workers go through numerous stages of work evolution ranging from fanning/cooling the hive to queen tending and all things in between. I am getting the impression that you think a communist society must be an anarchy but I don't think that's possible. Truly, I don't think anarchy is possible because as soon as there is a void in power, someone will step in to fill it.
I believe you do know better than me about the cuban political system.
In cuba The Castro brothers are not kings, they are dictators.
In a kingdom there are classes, people -or animals- are not equals and the Queen for ants and bees Female :) has the highest rank!!!
lifeisadream: I believe you do know better than me about the cuban political system.
In cuba The Castro brothers are not kings, they are dictators.
In a kingdom there are classes, people -or animals- are not equals and the Queen for ants and bees Female :) has the highest rank!!!
In cuba The Castro brothers are not kings, they are dictators.
In a kingdom there are classes, people -or animals- are not equals and the Queen for ants and bees Female :) has the highest rank!!!
Right. And in a dicatorship, they aren't equals either because the dictator and his liutenants have the highest rank. And yet, both monarchies and dictatorships can have communist systems. Communism isn't a form of government, it's a form of controlling production and consumption. Both are controlled from a central point for the supposed "benefit" of all.
carlosweb10: It´s said it is against any private property.However, archeology, anthropoly state humans lived in communism in the past. Could communism be part of a future?
Not TRUE communism, no.
Boban1: Guess it depends on how you interpret the concept of Communism ..
If you rely on the Marks& Engels concept, which was created only to destroy the economy of a country.
If you rely on the Marks& Engels concept, which was created only to destroy the economy of a country.
How about the Bush- Cheney system? The last great hope for Communism!
How come the last 20 years,all of you,have become from lazy citizens,under communism, to workaholic ones under democratic governments.-
Jana28: Here is someone who has lived half of their life during communism. You can ask me Qs if you re interested in details, not theories.
jvaski: Let's not confue that with "Moronization of the Conservative Nation".........
So true, oh wise one 
chris27292729: How come the last 20 years,all of you,have become from lazy citizens,under communism, to workaholic ones under democratic governments.-
Hostile and dull!
gardenhackle: That's how communism works. There will always be the ruling class and the working classes have job definitions assigned to support the system. While there is a great deal of equality in a communist system and everyone tends to be equally poor, but there is the ruling class and those in the favor of the ruling class. Communism is very much modeled after an ant colony.
In ant colonies everybody gets enough to eat and nobody has a gun to their head.
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Same as Jesus was too radical in his ideas or the world wasn`t ready for his teaching and ideas,so he became a victim of his political opponents ,Communism is abused and we never really had real example of it .
The Soviet-Union was the true face of it!
There is no other Face!
There is no Benevolence in that System!