I did hear that theory, or something very close to it over 25 years ago, from a friend's dad, so it's nothing new, but still not exactly believable if you actually study the history of Christianity.
No, the message won't change, but there will be one less messenger by shooting him.
That's a part of the game plan, villify the messenger in any way possible, ridicule and harrass them until they don't want to participate any longer. It's become something akin to a sport on the forums here.
I just wish I had more time for all of this, but in reality, it doesn't matter much anyway. There are more important things in life than "debating" with people that never actually listen to anyone else's opinions.
I guess that's the beauty of the internet, it's given every jackal out there a podium to pontificate from.
You're right, you aren't an expert in US politics or Isreali/Palestinian issues, ans neither am I. We're all just members of a dating aite that thankfully has a forum feature where we can all express our views on various topics, thus making it easier to discern our potential partners in life.
Your OP has a certain "tone" to it, which doesn't sit quite right with me, in fact it rather stinks. Your idea that those that don't agree with you are anti-Isreali, or anti-Judeaism/istic are completely unfounded. The very idea that you would try to simplify this one side or the other is repulsive.
I don't understand why you would try to paint Ron Paul as anything other than a true patriot to his country, which happens to be the United States of America, not Isreal. The man's history speaks for itelf, so maybe have a read before you attempt to condenm him.
I could post links, but most of the peple here don't read them anyway, they just want to argue thei point of view and disregard everyone else's.
I'd write more, but I have spelling mistakes that I can't correct without deleting most of what I've written.
What about torture by proxy, where American, British, Canadian, Russian, and other countries pick people up and hand them over to another country to have them tortured on their behalf? All done to circumvent the laws that they supposedly fight to uphold.
Is that acceptable to you, even if there are women and children being tortured, innocent victims?
I've been doing a fair bit of reading on this entire matter, and I'm thoroughly disgusted by anyone that would condone torture, regardless of whether they feel it's legal or not.
These sorts of people are morally bankrupt individuals, with no sense of any decency, or values that others have fought and died for in the history of mankind.
The old "You're either with us, or you are with the terrorists" rhetoric is nothing but an attempt to villify anyone that doesn't "side" with them. It's a despicable form of guilt tripping used for nothing more than political gain. People who use this tactic should be ashamed of themselves, but I don't think they know the meaning of the word.
This whole debate isn't about "sides", it's about what's right and what's wrong. Some people will obviously try to obscure what's right by hiding behind "laws", but everyone on the planet knows torture is wrong, period.
Anyway, I've done enough reading, seen enough videos and pictures for a while, it's given me a headache, and will likely invade my dreams as well. The horrible things that people do to each other, it's disgusting, and makes you wonder what kind of person it takes to do them. There have been a few volunteers from the site here, makes you wonder what kind of people they are.
Sami al-Haj walks with pain on his steel crutch; almost six years in the nightmare of Guantanamo have taken their toll on the Al Jazeera journalist and, now in the safety of a hotel in the small Norwegian town of Lillehammer, he is a figure of both dignity and shame. The Americans told him they were sorry when they eventually freed him this year – after the beatings he says he suffered, and the force-feeding, the humiliations and interrogations by British, American and Canadian intelligence officers – and now he hopes one day he'll be able to walk without his stick.
The TV cameraman, 38, was never charged with any crime, nor was he put on trial; his testimony makes it clear that he was held in three prisons for six-and-a-half years – repeatedly beaten and force-fed – not because he was a suspected "terrorist" but because he refused to become an American spy. From the moment Sami al-Haj arrived at Guantanamo, flown there from the brutal US prison camp at Kandahar, his captors demanded that he work for them. The cruelty visited upon him – constantly interrupted by American admissions of his innocence – seemed designed to turnal-Haj into a US intelligence "asset".
"We know you are innocent, you are here by mistake," he says he was told in more than 200 interrogations. "All they wanted was for me to be a spy for them. They said they would give me US citizenship, that my wife and child could live in America, that they would protect me. But I said: 'I will not do this – first of all because I'm a journalist and this is not my job and because I fear for myself and my family. In war, I can be wounded and I can die or survive. But if I work with you, al-Qa'ida will eliminate me. And if I don't work with you, you will kill me'."
................................................................. No One Shall be Subjected to Torture or to Cruel, Inhumane or Degrading Treatment or Punishment. -Universal Declaration of Human Rights, 1948 .................................................................
From the table of contents, there's more if people really want to read about what goes on when people turn a blind eye to what their governments are doing.
This Index is incomplete because the Department of Defense remains in violation of Article 120 and 121 of the Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War in not supplying a complete list of all prisoner deaths and death certificates and investigations. US government documentation of prisoner deaths is particularly deficient in the deaths of children (e.g., Case 22), women (e.g., Case 21), “ghost” prisoners who died in secret CIA centers (e.g., Case 19, 89, 11), or many of the numerous deaths due to hostile fire into prisons. This Index includes all deaths that can be identified in death certificates, autopsy reports, investigations, and other documents.
Exclusions
This list does not:
-address the status of the estimated 150 persons who the CIA has taken to other countries for imprisonment in a process called extraordinary rendition. It is credibly reported that many of these persons have been tortured. All of these persons should be presumed dead until the United States names these persons, produces evidence of their well being and allows human rights organizations to confirm the information.
-include deaths of persons at the point of capture prior to imprisonment or during transport from one prison to another.
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RE: Understanding the True Nature of Politics, PART 2
Soft lips?